***** RTR ***** (REPORT THE RATTLE)

no idea if you will hear it ...... just watch the revs ....when i let it drop ....its when i then apply some gas at roughly 2000rpm that it rattles.
 
David83S3 said:
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Thanks David, its very faint almost like rustiling sound. Am i correct in saying that your car is decelarating when it hits 2000rpm (i.e NO throttle is being applied), if this is the case then what i am hearing is only upon acceleration, conituosly as throttle is applied which is perhaps a normal operational sound of the wastegate? The sound i hear isnt as metallic as yours and isn't noticed with inside the cabin with the windows closed.
 
No the rattle is upon acceleration/throttle between 1800-2500rpm
 
I'm on nearly 3k miles and don't have any abnormal sounds yet, must be luck of the draw. I'd certainly pursue Audi if it developed though, good luck.
 
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Martinbanshee said:
I'm on nearly 3k miles and don't have any abnormal sounds yet, must be luck of the draw. I'd certainly pursue Audi if it developed though, good luck.
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Hi Martin ......are you able to make a video like mine above to show no rattle noise? I think it would be useful to my case :thumbs up:
 
Just had a phone call from Emmanuel at Audi ......he hadn't read my email yet, but called me to suggest arranging a visit to my local Audi to hear the rattle on a demo car they have. The reason for this was to assure me it is in fact an operational noise of the car.....:keule::keule::keule::keule::keule::keule::keule::keule:

I declined and explained that just because another car has the rattle does not make it an operational noise. Many people have the rattle, but also many do not. ............and either way .......I DONT WANT MY S3 TO RATTLE!!!!!!! :wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

I have now forwarded him my response from yesterday (Sent to wrong email address) and am waiting for his response. I can this going nowhere .....:tumble:
 
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Keep trying David hopefully they'll come to the party before too long.

I can't see how they can say it's an operational noise having issued a fix for similar engine derivatives ! Sounds like there's a small manufacturing tolerance between cars with the issue and cars without.

I expect any moving part to make a noise like the door to close nicely etc but any noise over and above that and it's surely an issue !!!!!
 
Why don't you guys get an independant motor engineer to examine the car and produce an in depth report on it. If the rattle can be identified and confirmed as being unusual then you will have the weight of evidence on your side. All that seems to be happening is it'syour word against audi's at the moment...
 
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David, that it the identical sound I've got. I'll try to make a video tonight.
 
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I must be deaf because all I here in that video is road noise.
 
My 2015/BW14 S3 definitely has the rattle, and sounds exactly the same as the waste-gate rattle my MK6 GTI had prior to installing the clip. Let's hope in time Audi make a fix, I'll mention it when I get the car serviced.
 
Ive got it aswell, but just cant be ***** booking it in, then driving 35 miles and having to wait for them to tell me what I already know....then another 35 miles home.....just dont have the time.

Hopefully those of you on here who have been able to get an official diagnosis and then complained to Audi UK will get some luck!

Surely a fix wouldnt be that difficult to engineer???
 
Does the vw part referenced above fit? Anyone tried to see if it fixes the problem?
 
This is why having multiple threads on the same topic isn't a terribly good idea.

In the original (master) thread, it covers that the clip was for the 1.4 engine, to address a slightly different issue, albeit a turbo Wastegate rod rattle.

In the 1.8 and 2.0 engine, the symptom is a Wastegate rod rattle, but the root cause is different to that of the 1.4, so the clip does not solve the issue.
 
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veeeight said:
This is why having multiple threads on the same topic isn't a terribly good idea.

In the original (master) thread, it covers that the clip was for the 1.4 engine, to address a slightly different issue, albeit a turbo Wastegate rod rattle.

In the 1.8 and 2.0 engine, the symptom is a Wastegate rod rattle, but the root cause is different to that of the 1.4, so the clip does not solve the issue.
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Thanks veeeight, a mind of information as ever.
 
For information i have s1 currently which has basically same engine but there is no issue. Bit worried my s3 when I get it may be afflicted ... Have to agree i can't hear anything on that video
 
veeeight said:
This is why having multiple threads on the same topic isn't a terribly good idea.

In the original (master) thread, it covers that the clip was for the 1.4 engine, to address a slightly different issue, albeit a turbo Wastegate rod rattle.

In the 1.8 and 2.0 engine, the symptom is a Wastegate rod rattle, but the root cause is different to that of the 1.4, so the clip does not solve the issue.
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That is extremely useful to know V8 ...thank you. I have to say though that the symptoms of both issues sound extremely similar?

So its the same waste gate rod rattle ....but caused by something different to the 1.4 engine?
 
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I can hear it on that video, and with 300 miles on my car its now a bit louder.. grr
 
David83S3 said:
That is extremely useful to know V8 ...thank you. I have to say though that the symptoms of both issues sound extremely similar?

So its the same waste gate rod rattle ....but caused by something different to the 1.4 engine?
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With the 1.4 rattle, believe me, you didn't struggle to hear it. It was a right ol racket and clattering!
 
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** UPDATE **

Had a response ......

Good morning Mr Northern

Please accept my apologies for the delay in responding to the below.

I am advised following investigation, that the part number provided by you, relates to an outdated VW repair, relating to an old Technical bulletin for cars with older engines. I am further advised that this is not suitable for your vehicle as it has a completely different turbo assembly. We can confirm that should you have this part fitted – it will not be supported by Audi UK as it is not an approved repair.

Whilst mindful of your position, I would like to revert to my earlier suggestion that we arrange a visit an Audi Centre of your choosing so you can listen to your car against another Audi S3. Should you wish, we can record the two tests and review with our technical team, however we remain of the opinion that the engine sound will be the same.


Please let me know if I can arrange this for you; I am in the office today till 1pm and will of course respond to you on my return to the office on Monday.

Kindest regards
Emmanuel Poku

...So .......... what to do next ...... anyone want to join me with their non rattle S3? :jester:

I must state at this point that I am mindful that I can be a bit of a complainer lol ......(Usually only for the right reasons though) ...and I am trying to back off from this if I think it might be OTT.......BUT ......the nasty metal rattle noise is extremely annoying!!:mad: I didn't have a nasty metal noise on my cheap French car ??!?!!? (Citroen DS3 155THP) ....so why do I have one on my premium German car (Renowned for build quality):audibash:
 
Going to do a longer clip. More me rustling with my iphone. But once you've heard the rattle you're tuned into it no matter what.
 
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@David83S3 That last reply from them is just typical manager BS. The noise may be normal but it shouldn't be there, argh! Not sure what else we can do but wait. Maybe at AITP or another meet we'll have to compare eachothers cars. I think every single S3 probably has the rattle, but it depends on whether the person can hear it.
 
Don't think mine rattles, but if you want to meet up and have a listen to mine and if it is clear I don't mind meeting you at Audi and they can then compare the two.
 
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Ric 2001 said:
Going to do a longer clip. More me rustling with my iphone. But once you've heard the rattle you're tuned into it no matter what.
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That'd be good to establish what we're listening out for and if it is apparent in most other users.
 
@David83S3 - well done for how far you have come with this mate. You have got it up the line at Audi and eventually, if there is a fix, you will have helped us all in driving the matter forward.

One thing I would say is - if you don't mind some friendly advice - be careful you don't sour your enjoyment of your car by getting into a protracted battle with Audi that will eventually leave you feeling unfulfilled and frustrated.

If you can live with the rattle, then I would take them up on their offer and then see where the matter goes - that guy is being paid to answer your letters and he will just keep rolling out the same replies each time you contact them...

Anyway, just some advice, please feel free to tell me to mind my own...;)
 
Tej13 said:
@David83S3 - well done for how far you have come with this mate. You have got it up the line at Audi and eventually, if there is a fix, you will have helped us all in driving the matter forward.

One thing I would say is - if you don't mind some friendly advice - be careful you don't sour your enjoyment of your car by getting into a protracted battle with Audi that will eventually leave you feeling unfulfilled and frustrated.

If you can live with the rattle, then I would take them up on their offer and then see where the matter goes - that guy is being paid to answer your letters and he will just keep rolling out the same replies each time you contact them...

Anyway, just some advice, please feel free to tell me to mind my own...;)
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100% agree mate ......I am very concious of the fact I love my car and dont want to ruin the experience. BUT .......if there are S3's out there with no rattle ......then i dont want one on mine either cuz it sounds rubbish lol.
 
Andyescos said:
Don't think mine rattles, but if you want to meet up and have a listen to mine and if it is clear I don't mind meeting you at Audi and they can then compare the two.
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Definitely up for doing this Andy ....... if we could meet up and I can listen out for it in your car ....and it isnt there .....I would 100% like to take our cars to the garage and have them recorded by the techs!!! Its a garage of my choice too so we could give Northampton a miss if you didnt want to ruffle any feathers there ;-) ... Altho im not fussed as thats what they are there for !
 
No problem with Northampton, think I've ruffled their feathers with getting the replacement car. Let me know when you want to meet.
 
Monday's fine, early would be better for me, 9:30am, where do you want to meet?
 
Perfect ! and wherever is convenient for you mate. Mcdonalds on sixfields? can buy you a coffee then :) We can then use the football stadium carpark for testing the noise.
 
No problem, see you monday 9:30 mcdonalds
 
*** UPDATE ***

Response to Audi ....

Good Morning Emmanuel

The part number and technical bulletin I gave may have been for a different build of turbo, but it is the same or similar issue.

OK I will take you up on the offer of the comparison test, but what I would like to do is kindly ask one of my colleagues to be the comparison car. I know quite a few people with the S3 and I know a few of them do not have the engine rattle. I will get a sure answer from one of them that they are willing to spare some time to meet me at an Audi garage so that both cars can have the engine noise recorded. Once I have a confirmed candidate I will let you know which garage we would like to go to (More than likely Northampton).

I would like to state for the record that I would like nothing more than to be enjoying my car and not be writing these emails and please be assured that I do love every single other aspect of the car….. but each day when I get in my car and hear that awful metal rattling noise I cant help but think that something isn't right……especially when I know that other S3’s do not make the noise.

I will be in touch as soon as I have more details.


Kind Regards
David Northen

...So the plan now is to meet up with fellow ASN member @Andyescos (Big Thank You To Andy :applaus:) on Monday and confirm 100% that he has no rattle and then get us both booked into Northampton Audi to have the engine noise measured/recorded by the techs.

So lets say they confirm that mine does have it ......and Andy's does not have it ......What then? :think:

I have taken peoples comments on board from the forum ...especially regarding not letting this ruin my enjoyment of the car. I can assure you that I thoroughly enjoy my S3 .... I spend hours detailing it ..... I go on pointless drives just cuz its fun ..... I get that "WOW" feeling every time I walk up to it .... I am totally happy with my decision to buy one over the 1.8TFSI that I nearly purchased ....... :kissmyrings:

I know that if Audi really don't want to entertain the idea of fixing this ......that I might have to let it go .....and I am more than prepared to do that :thumbs up: ...BUT not until I have done everything I feel reasonable to get it fixed :audibash: .....Audi have to follow the rules too :rulez: .......and the way I see it I am giving them a free service of fault finding on their cars ;)
 
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Mate,
Have you been in contact with anyone on any VW forums? As you know, the Golf R has the exact same issue......maybe someone over there has tried to pursue this?

But hey, many thanks for the work youve done so far, Id be delighted if Audi would pull their finger out and develop a fix for this!

Has anyone actually seen the wastegate rod on our S3s? Is it THAT different to the one on mk6 Golfs? Surely a fix wouldnt be difficult to develop?

Maybe point Audi towards this thread in your next communication? Certainly the vast majority love their cars but for many the ownership experience is being soured by the fact that our cars sound like sewing machines!!
 
Kugaman1 said:
Mate,
Have you been in contact with anyone on any VW forums? As you know, the Golf R has the exact same issue......maybe someone over there has tried to pursue this?

But hey, many thanks for the work youve done so far, Id be delighted if Audi would pull their finger out and develop a fix for this!

Has anyone actually seen the wastegate rod on our S3s? Is it THAT different to the one on mk6 Golfs? Surely a fix wouldnt be difficult to develop?

Maybe point Audi towards this thread in your next communication? Certainly the vast majority love their cars but for many the ownership experience is being soured by the fact that our cars sound like sewing machines!!
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Not looked on the VW forums, but if anybody knows of any useful information from them then please let me know.

I'm not sure if the pictures I have seen online are of the S3 8V waste gate rod or of another car? (I am no mechanic lol)

I'm not against sharing the forum thread, but don't feel it is needed just yet. If I can get a comparison recording clearly showing different results then we have found a weak point in their argument. Once a fix is offered to one then a fix must be offered to all :s3addict: ...which I think is the key reason they are trying to stay clear of it as it might be a simple fix, but to do this on all examples will not be cheap. I will tell them they can use the ridiculous amount of profit they make from the customer base to pay for it :thumbs up:

HAHA ...Sewing Machine!! ....like it ...and that's not fair from the truth :o.k:
 
What if the weak point in Audi's argument turns out to be their saviour and they decide to stick to their guns and say that the rattle is the noise this engine should make.. making those without it the odd ones out?..
 
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