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Hi,

Been trawling the forum as my wait for delivery ticks on. Thanks to everyone that contributes. Its certainly helped me pass some time!!

The Middle East gets a very healthy base spec (Pano, B&O) but my Glacier saloon includes SS seats, black 3D trim, Side assist, auto park, full LED, painted calipers. I couldn't bear the wait list so I signed for a dealer ordered car in mid-Jan that's due for delivery at the end of March. Sorry to bring it up but...no mono.pur....its causing me anguish.

We don't get the mag ride (apparently) due to the heat so we are stuck with 18's from the dealer unless we de-select S-line suspension. I had no choice as the car had just been built when I sealed the deal. I have bought a set of the OEM V-spoke 19s from ebay Australia and they are en route. Nervous to feel how firm the 19s will be on the non-mag ride shocks!

Just a note to all the U.A.E. based guys waiting on A3s/S3s...the Morning Celesta is arriving in Dubai (Jebel Ali) on the 9th March and Abu Dhabi on the 11th. I know Abu Dhabi have about 10 S3's arriving on this shipment and Dubai also has the same.

If any Dubai/Abu Dhabi S3 waiters are interested, I can send them my full build spec from ErWin...might help clarify the alteratons we get in the Super hot region...the 286hp engine for one :(

Cheers
 
Welcome to audi-sport.net. Hope you enjoy your car and the forum. :) x
 
Hi Ya & welcome to the forum. I love Dubai my sister has lived out there for the last 25 years. She lives on the Green Community, Jebel Ali. "Anyway" I hope you have fun on this great forum. :thumbs up:
 
Hey Eknryn

First off welcome (im a noob as well to audi_sport), Fantastic first post. I live in Dubai and have specced a similar order to yours (Daytona S3 w LEDs, SS seats, Black pack, ACC, Mono-pur). I thought i was going to be one of the view w the leds and the ssseats for a while. way to ruin it for me.:keule:

The wait for mine has been brutal, I ordered mine back in mid Nov and it has been a miserably slow 4 months.

Good to know the Ship arrives on the 9th. My SA told me my car arrives to the dealership on the 15th and i can collect the car a few days later.

The good news is that our mid east spec engine puts out the same power as the rest of the world, but the reason its rated at 286 is because it was rated at a lower octane fuel. So filler up with "super" and your good to go
 
Sorry if im stating the obvious but you can spend your final days watching your car arrive.....http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais...:418711/mmsi:356470000/vessel:MORNING CELESTA

The vessel schedule is available on the Eukor website...you have to search for the port rather than the vessel. You can find the scheduled ports listed in the Eukor AGEX route plan.

The wait will be worth it ndk83...A couple of weeks ago I saw a Daytona S3 at the marina at dusk...the colour was stunning!! Great choice!

Good news about the engine rating. I suspected the octane was the cause but couldn't find any firm info. Thanks!
 
Thanks for this, eknryan.

i couldnt figure out how to check the schedule on the Eukor website, but i did check it on a different website, it states that the morning celesta arrives to Jebel Ali on the 11th.2 days delay? or did you have the dates mixed up?
 
The Eukor schedule is at http://www.eukor.com/servlet/homepage.manage.vessel_schedule .

Port code is JBA. Currently it states:
MLS070 MORNING CELESTA1ETA 2015.03.09 16:00 -
ETD 2015.03.11 04:00
I have tracked the vessel through it's port calls through Antwerp, Southampton and Barcelona and it was on time. The Eukor schedule didn't change at all as expected.

Im not sure if the Eukor schedule updates at all. Its not the best schedule site. Maybe your source is updating? What are you checking it on?

I ordered from AD so I have more info on the AD port...if you are keen then you could call the receiving shipping agent and ask them when its due? You can create an account to log into the Eukor intranet at http://www.eukor.com/homepage/manage/bill_of_lading.jsp . Enter you VIN and the shipping info will be there...Maybe call the Operations guys and see when they expect the vessel in port.

My shipping details haven't changed from the 11th ETA but I can see that the vessel was meant to be in Saudi today and that's not the case. Hopefully the vessel gets a slot to pass through the Suez soon!!
 
NDK...I was mistaken. She's entering Jeddah now. Looks like collection shouldn't be delayed...for now :)

I need to get cracking on a retro-fit extended "leather" solution!
 
Thats good news then. I had checked on Dubai Trade Website, which has the Jebel Ali ports schedule list, i highly doubt that that is more accurate than Eukor Website.

Forget the mono pur, your money is better spent on a tune and some suspension mods for the wheels. But with that said, shouldnt hard to wrap those parts with leather.

Why did you place your order through AD? do you know have to service it in AD? or can they do it in Dubai? Dealerships in this country are wierd
 
I went through AD because they had 3 or 4 S3's with essentially the same spec that I wanted that had already been built. The parking option is something I would have never ordered and a few small things were missing but I couldn't wait until May for delivery. Dubai had sold all of their cars and I preferred the service in AD. Dubai can still carry out the services and maintenance plan work which is good.

I'm nervous about my warranty. I am even nervous about asking AD to fit the 19s for when I collect the car. Although they are OEM they might still be fussy...prior to signing the paperwork I did speak to the sales manager about wanting 19s and he actually suggested upgrading after I had finished the tyres on the 18s. He didn't seem to care but you know how these things often work out in practice in the UAE. In the UK there would be no issue at all. Ali and Sons are the ABT retailers so maybe I'll go down the ABT remap stage to keep a drive train warranty in place. Waiting on some prices from Neidfaktor...maybe some alcantara interior pieces could work well with the SS seats. Apart from that I doubt I will do any other changes.

What do you have planned?
 
I also bought some OEM 20 inchers for my car. I will recommend NOT getting them fitted by Audi, as i have heard from multiple people that it will void your entire drivetrain warranty. It seems like AUDI in the UAE are extremely rigid, any change at all will void your warranty.

With that said there is someone here that has installed a catback exhaust and says that Audi has confirmed that it wont void his warranty. So between me you, im totally lost at what will and wont void ur warranty here. I think wasta will play a big role. But time will tell, ill see who is getting away with stuff and who is getting fudged.

Sales agents will tell you anything just to sell you the car, I would take info they give you with a grain of salt.

I called ABT Abu Dhabi a few months back regarding their piggyback tune, they stopped doing any performance parts since it voids warranty, they only sell wheels and body kits.
Anyway ABT Warranty only apply to cars in Germany, installed by ABT. So even if you get it done it wont be covered by ABT AD or Audi.

Im gonna keep it relatively simple too, for now as a first step considering wheels and piggy back, followed by coils, an intake, and maybe a downpipe. But will see, how it plays out.
 
ndk83 said:
The good news is that our mid east spec engine puts out the same power as the rest of the world, but the reason its rated at 286 is because it was rated at a lower octane fuel. So filler up with "super" and your good to go
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I'm just wondering if a dealer told you this, because, unless you car has a PR Code that specifically states 0U0, the ECU won't be on a map that takes advantage of the higher RON.

See:
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/thread...pment-not-shown-on-build.233729/#post-2363622


Also - I suspect your engine code will be CJX0 (you can check when you get it) - specific hot climate running, whereas the EUR engine code is CJXC.
 
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You've just saved me a call to ABT. Thanks NDK. I'm expecting to have a discussion with AD and I'll just be upfront from them. IF they say there is no issue I'll try and get it in writing, or at least get a photo of the car with 19's whilst its still in the showroom. Might act as proof that Audi fitted the rims before collection. I can't fit the wheels afterwards because my wife will use the car as much as me and I spend 6 months a year outside of the UAE so I need to keep things straightforward for her.

Did you get the 20 inch V-spokes from the RS4?

Veeeight, our engine codes will be CJXF. I have the full build list which lists 'super hot country'. I'm not sure what the output will be though.
 
CJXF - wow super hot country :)

You're definitely not going to see 300PS, even if you put 103RON in it!

CJXF is 286PS or 282bhp or 210kW.
 
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We do have the 98 RON build code though...
0U0LKRQFuel quality 98 RON
 
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Interesting. But as engine code is CJXF I doubt you will see 300PS, it is a different map to CJXC.
 
Maybe the hotter air temperatures will improve the aerodynamics so that I don't notice....absolutely no chance but that's what I'll be telling myself anyway :(
 
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veeeight said:
I'm just wondering if a dealer told you this, because, unless you car has a PR Code that specifically states 0U0, the ECU won't be on a map that takes advantage of the higher RON.

See:
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/thread...pment-not-shown-on-build.233729/#post-2363622


Also - I suspect your engine code will be CJX0 (you can check when you get it) - specific hot climate running, whereas the EUR engine code is CJXC.
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Yea we get the CjXF -210kw/286ps version

I got the info from George Smooth who is working with Burger Motorsport on a Piggy back Unit out of South Africa.
I asked about the differences between the tune for each market vs the difference engine outputs. Granted i was more interested in after tune results, but his response was as follows.

"Yes its the same market as Australia with the quoted detuned power. I have looked at European software for the R vs what we get and its the same so the power is lost most probably due to octane. This is evident if you log the car it has timing pull standard. Add octane booster or better quality fuel and the power goes up with zero timing pull even though it maintains the same boost target.
Our units are self tunable so you will be able to add the boost relative to fuel quality available so the ultimate outcome will be the same.
One of the maps on the JB4 will have a autotune feature and it will max out the boost relative to the timing pull."


eknryan said:
You've just saved me a call to ABT. Thanks NDK. I'm expecting to have a discussion with AD and I'll just be upfront from them. IF they say there is no issue I'll try and get it in writing, or at least get a photo of the car with 19's whilst its still in the showroom. Might act as proof that Audi fitted the rims before collection. I can't fit the wheels afterwards because my wife will use the car as much as me and I spend 6 months a year outside of the UAE so I need to keep things straightforward for her.

Did you get the 20 inch V-spokes from the RS4?

Veeeight, our engine codes will be CJXF. I have the full build list which lists 'super hot country'. I'm not sure what the output will be though.
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Nope went a different route. Got the A7 wheels, ill prob change them later to 19s once i dial in the suspension and see how far i can push the offset. But as a first set and starting point the A7 rims were the perfect size and offset: 20x9+37.

Let me know if Audi will agree to this. I may try the same thing, but am expecting to get shot down cause of the 20s. Atleast yours are on the S3 spec sheet as an option.

veeeight said:
CJXF - wow super hot country :)

You're definitely not going to see 300PS, even if you put 103RON in it!

CJXF is 286PS or 282bhp or 210kW.
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prob wont see 300 ever, but thats what tunes are for, 360hp here we come. :yahoo:

eknryan said:
We do have the 98 RON build code though...
0U0LKRQFuel quality 98 RON
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good to know :icon thumright:
 
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In theory then, the sticker inside your fuel cap should say 98RON recommended, 95RON minimum.

You can check when you get the cars ;)
 
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veeeight said:
Interesting. But as engine code is CJXF I doubt you will see 300PS, it is a different map to CJXC.
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Not sure if this true, apparently same map. It would be nice if someone could look into this further.
 
It can't be. It just cannot be !

The detuned output for hot climates is to protect against high intake temperatures, high ambient temperatures, heat soak and EGT's, to promote longevity and drivability in that climate. Also emissions. All of which you adjust for in the map, rather than upgrade components (the old school way).

They will be very similar, but not identical. You can also compare Engine ECU part numbers, out of interest.
 
Would the remap need to be different if the vehicle components were capable of dealing with the hot climates without issue?

The engine is clearly so tunable that the components must be pretty strong?

A couple of bhp will make no difference to my enjoyment of the car anyway to be honest. I doubt I'll notice in day to day driving. Dubai is an awful place to own a nice car in any respect.
 
It's not just the durability of the components, but also the drivability behaviour with high ambient and intake temperatures. Eg: the Europe tune might be a lot more "lurchy" and "kangaroo-y" in behaviour at low revs, high gear at high ambient and intake temperatures, so the map/tune is adapted for this. Hot air is less dense than cold air, so this is also a factor.

But it will be interesting to see what part number your engine ECU is, compared to a EUR ECU.
 
That makes sense. It would be a shame if Audi couldn't manage to get a balanced map with the same output as elsewhere but it sounds entirely possible.
 
veeeight said:
It's not just the durability of the components, but also the drivability behaviour with high ambient and intake temperatures. Eg: the Europe tune might be a lot more "lurchy" and "kangaroo-y" in behaviour at low revs, high gear at high ambient and intake temperatures, so the map/tune is adapted for this. Hot air is less dense than cold air, so this is also a factor.

But it will be interesting to see what part number your engine ECU is, compared to a EUR ECU.
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I have always wondered about the engine is detuned for 'hot climates'... the other side side the story here in Aus. was that it was more the quality of our fuel - which is poor than the temperatures. I have been in Italy in August and I think their Summer temperatures would be similar to ours and I never got further south than Rome. Dubai would be another story though.
 
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What does the fuel sticker inside the fuel cap say for the Aus market? Out of interest?
And what's your engine code for Aus?
 
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The quality of the fuel in most of the middle east is poor. We get what is claimed to be 98 in Dubai but 97 RON appears to be the max for a lot of the gulf states. I read somewhere that some Porsche guys clubbed together to pay for Octane testing of fuel from the UAE and the results showed that the fuel was over-rated.
 
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Veeeight, that was my train of though initially, but I do keep hearing that the detune is due to the quality and rating of the fuel and not because of the hotter climates as everyone keeps saying. Im pretty sure that we would have a different ecu part # than europe, but that wouldnt tell us much anyway (unless they are in fact the same, which would be very interesting)

This topic is a bit of a cluster fuk, we dont have enough available info on the subject. How Audi decided to tackle heat soak, higher AIT's, higher EGTs etc in hotter climates isnt clear, the most obvious would be a detune yes, but as you stated there is a number of ways they can do it. There are places in America, that are as hot as the middle east, yet they still get the same output S3 engine as Europe (even though different engine code and ecu, cause their engines don't have MPI.) so therefore id like to assume that theyre are safe guards in place for the engines durability and the cars drivability for the worldwide markets.

I keep hearing conflicting info on the subject anyway and I'm not technically/mechanically knowledgeable enough to pretend to understand the complexities of these newer engines.
 
veeeight said:
What does the fuel sticker inside the fuel cap say for the Aus market? Out of interest?
And what's your engine code for Aus?
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Id have to recheck, but from what i remember, AUS, SA and the UAE all have the same engine code CJXF, not sure about the fuel sticker. will reconfirm
 
veeeight said:
What does the fuel sticker inside the fuel cap say for the Aus market? Out of interest?
And what's your engine code for Aus?
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It says 98ron and then underneath min 95ron. mine is a MY15 and has 210kw, the MY14 had 206kw both have 380nm of torque.
almost all petrol stations have 98ron petrol, but a few don't.
 
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The North American S3 Engine (sans MPI) is also slightly detuned from the EUR version, as Americans don't like PS or kW, they quote hp (not even bhp), but there seems to be different figures for this depending on which Audi source you look up. But in any event, it's slightly less than 300PS.
 
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For high-performance turbo cars, it's perhaps more relevant to compare the MON rating, rather than the RON.

Both UK Shell V-Power and UK Tesco Momentum 99 have (minimum) 99 RON values.

However, the MON figure is derived from a more demanding test, more reflective of todays engines, with higher RPM, higher head loads imposed during testing.

In this case, UK Shell V-Power has a 86 MON and UK Tesco Momentum 99 has a 87 MON.


In the UK, we only display RON on the pumps, but in the US/Canada and a few other places, the display is (R+M)/2, hence why you see different figures on the pumps across the pond.

Do you guys only display RON, or MON, or PON, or AKI ?!
 
veeeight said:
For high-performance turbo cars, it's perhaps more relevant to compare the MON rating, rather than the RON.

Both UK Shell V-Power and UK Tesco Momentum 99 have (minimum) 99 RON values.

However, the MON figure is derived from a more demanding test, more reflective of todays engines, with higher RPM, higher head loads imposed during testing.

In this case, UK Shell V-Power has a 86 MON and UK Tesco Momentum 99 has a 87 MON.


In the UK, we only display RON on the pumps, but in the US/Canada and a few other places, the display is (R+M)/2, hence why you see different figures on the pumps across the pond.

Do you guys only display RON, or MON, or PON, or AKI ?!
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Only RON - down under

our choices are 98, 95 or 91 and E10, which contains 10% ethanol and is 94 RON
 
You should try and research the MON ratings for the fuels down under- this will give a clearer picture, and the MON tests are more relevant.

It's also why possibly manufacturer detune cars for those markets, they look at the MON ratings as well.
 
veeeight said:
You should try and research the MON ratings for the fuels down under- this will give a clearer picture, and the MON tests are more relevant.

It's also why possibly manufacturer detune cars for those markets, they look at the MON ratings as well.
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thanks V8, now I have home work assignments :)
 
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Home work done, looks like our 98ron has a MON of 87.

MON RON
Fuel Type Minimum (1) Typical (2) Minimum Typical
Unleaded (ULP) 82.0 82.5 91.0 91.5
Premium Unleaded (PULP) 82.0 85.5 95.0 96.3
High Octane 87.0 98.5
(BP Ultimate, Shell, Optimax, etc.)
 
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We have the same engine code (CJXF) here in Turkey, but it is clearly that the climate is not hot as much as Dubai or Australia. Definitely related with low quality fuel. We don't have 98RON anymore, only 95RON and 95RON+ (which called Shell Nitro, 95 with some additives) here.
 
terapati said:
As I remember, it says minimum 95RON but not sure about 98RON. I can confirm that later.
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I noticed this the other day .....mine says 95ron at the top of the cap .....and 98ron across the bottom of the cap ......

I'm using 98ron all the way !!!!
 
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