Advanced key - easy theft

veeeight · Feb 12, 2015

cuke2u said:
What makes you think I am going to answer, I am not the one who posted photos with incorrect statements, unless you think you have a journalistic right too.

I post factual information from various sources, it's up to individuals to come to their own conclusions, and weigh up their own risks.

Re: Incorrect Statenents:
Why don't you write to the Metropolitan Police Commissioner
- and tell him that his latest operation is a complete waste of taxpayers money
- because keyless crime is obviously a figment of someone's wild imagination !

Be man enough and accept that not everyone agrees with you and move on....

Right back at ya

Do you accept that Keyless offers an additional risk/method of theft, over a conventional key ?

ColMariner · Feb 12, 2015

Yes obviously it prevents another risk of theft, but surely the inreased percentages etc been quoted are also due to the fact that a greater percentage of cars from all manufacturers are now keyless??
Even Audi I believe, can't be ***** to check fully but that dosent seem that important on here anyway

, that the new TT is keyless only?? As are alot of other other manufacturers cars.
Therefore it stands to reason 'statisically' that keyless thefts, wether easier or not, will increase does it not??
Lets move on, Yes I am only jealous because I didnt spec Mono Pur!!

veeeight · Feb 12, 2015

ColMariner said:
but surely the inreased percentages etc been quoted are also due to the fact that a greater percentage of cars from all manufacturers are now keyless?

Good logic and a reasonable supposition.

However - until last year, car theft has been steadily decreasing year on year.

But in 2014 - overall car theft actually rose 8% (in London).

The Met believe this increase mainly to be the result of organised criminals increasingly targeting keyless.

http://content.met.police.uk/News/D...nst-keyless-theft/1400029791185/1257246745756

So what accounts for the increase?

The most popular school of thought is now, the manufacturers are forced to share their security information with third parties (covered earlier in this thread).

ColMariner · Feb 12, 2015

8% in LONDON, Fortunately for me I don't live in London then!!!
Agree if you live in a big city you might be at more risk, but for anyone not I dont personally believe they have a greater risk of having their keyless cars been stolen, so personally am not going to be having any sleepless nights worrying my car might be stolen.

veeeight · Feb 12, 2015

I refer you to my excellent analogy on the previous page:

If I install an additional window in my house, I won't have increased the statistical probability of being burgled.

But I certainly have increased the number of entry points into my house.

ColMariner · Feb 12, 2015

Yaaaawwwwnnnn
And I refer you to my post,

Yes obviously it prevents another risk of theft, but surely the inreased percentages etc been quoted are also due to the fact that a greater percentage of cars from all manufacturers are now keyless??
Even Audi I believe, can't be ***** to check fully but that dosent seem that important on here anyway

, that the new TT is keyless only?? As are alot of other other manufacturers cars.
Therefore it stands to reason 'statisically' that keyless thefts, wether easier or not, will increase does it not??
Lets move on, Yes I am only jealous because I didnt spec Mono Pur!!

http://www.ukcrimestats.com

veeeight · Feb 12, 2015

London 8% increase in 2014. 42% recorded as keyless crimes.

Between April and December 2014 West Midlands Police recorded a total of 3,472 vehicle thefts and of those 1,234 (35%) were recorded as keyless crimes.

Ben Daniel Grant · Feb 12, 2015

I love this thread no wait I love to hate this thread makes me want to bang my head against the wall. But I can't help but come back as I must admit i catch myself laughing out loud, can you people honestly not grasp that having advanced key doesn't make your car at a greater risk of being stolen but it adds an additional way in which you car could possibly be Stolen as in a method that can't be applied to a keyed car...... Ignore what I said I'll be right back I need more popcorn

0B1001001 · Feb 13, 2015

nickatkinson said:
I think anyone arguing that they are better off without advanced key is upset that they haven't spec'd it.

You think incorrectly.

steeve · Feb 13, 2015

I've been banned from this thread.............

cuke2u · Feb 13, 2015

Lol, how I've been trying to have the whole pointless thread banned as it serves no useful purpose to owners of A3's. People who wish to scaremonger should post in the appropriate car forum.
As to the police wasting money, well they are just doing their job stopping drivers of range rovers to see if they actually owned it, not owners of A3's. Its what is expected, same goes for any targetted areas by criminal gangs.
And no, my car is not at any greater risk because it has advanced key, just a different risk but no more. As I have stated, had them since 2008 and no thefts...

a3_phil · Feb 13, 2015

cuke2u said:
As I have stated, had them since 2008 and no thefts...

I have this rock that prevents tiger attacks. I've had it all my life and I've never been attacked by a tiger. It's yours for just £50.

Surely you can't put a price on safety?

elpaulio · Feb 13, 2015

a3_phil said:
I have this rock that prevents tiger attacks. I've had it all my life and I've never been attacked by a tiger. It's yours for just £50.

Surely you can't put a price on safety?

Better not leave that rock next to your car as that'd be another method of entry for the car thief :undwech:

cuke2u · Feb 13, 2015

a3_phil said:
Surely you can't put a price on safety?

Quite right

a3_phil · Feb 13, 2015

elpaulio said:
Better not leave that rock next to your car as that'd be another method of entry for the car thief

Yeah but without the rock in my pocket I'd be too busy avoiding tigers to worry about my car.

elpaulio · Feb 13, 2015

a3_phil said:
Yeah but without the rock in my pocket I'd be too busy avoiding tigers to worry about my car.

Surely that's a win/win then??

veeeight · Mar 21, 2016

Keyless is back in the news again.

New tests by German vehicle experts show 24 cars from 19 different manufacturers vulnerable to an 'easily built' electronic device

The German automotive organisation ADAC - the German equivalent to organisations like the AA - tested 24 different vehicles with keyless technology from 19 different manufacturers like Audi and SsangYong, and found every single one could be broken into using a simple homemade electronic device.

“All you need to do is extend the transmission-range of the key from two or three meters to a few hundred meters. The car thinks that the owner is nearby, unlocks the doors and starts its engine - all without any trace of a break-in.” said Arnulf Thiemel, car-technician at the ADAC.

To extend the transmission-range, the thief doesn’t need to be a high-tech hacker, the car club said. The devices can be built out of every-day electronic items - and without much effort.

Within a second, the door opens and the engine can be started. The car can be driven for as long as the tank is full - so from most places in Germany it wouldn't be a problem to drive the car abroad.

From:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-ne...s-uncover-major-security-risk-to-keyless-cars
http://www.thelocal.de/20160317/keyless-go-cars-easy-to-steal-german-car-club-shows

azibux1 · Mar 21, 2016

Means the thief has to be within 2 or 3 metres of 'normal key range' to begin with though, to then repeat/extend the signal... So don't leave keys near windows or house doors

cuke2u · Mar 21, 2016

Its kinda stupid to leave any key near a door or window as the majority of thefts are by having the keys, as this forum has confirmed..

Bristle Hound · Mar 21, 2016

veeeight said:
Keyless is back in the news again.

New tests by German vehicle experts show 24 cars from 19 different manufacturers vulnerable to an 'easily built' electronic device

The German automotive organisation ADAC - the German equivalent to organisations like the AA - tested 24 different vehicles with keyless technology from 19 different manufacturers like Audi and SsangYong, and found every single one could be broken into using a simple homemade electronic device.

“All you need to do is extend the transmission-range of the key from two or three meters to a few hundred meters. The car thinks that the owner is nearby, unlocks the doors and starts its engine - all without any trace of a break-in.” said Arnulf Thiemel, car-technician at the ADAC.

To extend the transmission-range, the thief doesn’t need to be a high-tech hacker, the car club said. The devices can be built out of every-day electronic items - and without much effort.

Within a second, the door opens and the engine can be started. The car can be driven for as long as the tank is full - so from most places in Germany it wouldn't be a problem to drive the car abroad.

From:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-ne...s-uncover-major-security-risk-to-keyless-cars
http://www.thelocal.de/20160317/keyless-go-cars-easy-to-steal-german-car-club-shows

@veeeight - That does make particularly worrying reading, especially if you have advanced key

Disklok anyone ?

pburv · Mar 21, 2016

Bristle Hound said:
@veeeight - That does make particularly worrying reading, especially if you have advanced key
Disklok anyone ?

You could try this mod BH

Bristle Hound · Mar 21, 2016

pburv said:
You could try this mod BH
View attachment 84921

Lol - that does look a bit tasty

Got GAP & a Disklok
If 'they' take mine I defo DO NOT want it back

veeeight · Mar 21, 2016

Your "Advanced Key" would be vulnerable wherever it is, not just necessarily at home.

You could be out at a restaurant with a loved one, car parked outside or around the corner.

Chap walks past your table with the device in his pocket, accomplice triggers the challenge/response sequence from the car ....... And the rest is history.

We perform an extensive evaluation on 10 car models from 8 manufacturers. Our results show that relaying the signal in one direction only (from the car to the key) is sufficient to perform the attack while the true distance between the key and car remains large (tested up to 50 meters, non line-of-sight). We also show that, with our setup, the smart key can be excited from up to 8 meters. This removes the need for the attacker to get close to the key in order to establish the relay.

From;
https://eprint.iacr.org/2010/332.pdf

(This can be thwarted by shielding the key)

davc · Mar 21, 2016

Get a foil lined wallet and put the key in there beside your contactless cards.

Job done :rock:

gamegenie · Mar 22, 2016

I don't think it matters at all.

As long as I been a member of this forum and the countless threads I've come across of people posting their cars getting stolen.

I think if you live in the UK and drive an S3 you have a 100% chance of your car getting stolen.

cilurnum · Apr 8, 2016

eBay kits coming soon..........

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