LCR 1.8T with OEM K04 & B5 V2 Manifold 325bhp?

Amazing figures....
All those doubters and haters before on B5 Manifold will soon be praising it.
Fingers crossed Bill has got it right this time (sure he has).
 
Not checked today....

I expect a lot of people on DramaBook will be eating humble pie whilst I'm munching my popcorn this evening :)
 
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Haha, exactly why I posted here as I thought they'd be a few wanting to read it...Hats off to Bill for sticking with it, despite all the negativity from others!
 
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Top result indeed!

I think all those involved were fairly surprised! That's some ****** going on a stock 023.
 
Phil Miller just popped over to drop some bits off and told me about this! some humble pie is going to be served on vagtalk.
 
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300hp up from 5k to red line, that motor is breathing well and loads of area under the curve.

Whats the full spec on the car??
 
This is terrible, so terrible. Tragic almost.
Here we are, ASN level expert, waiting for a wave of newbies to come soaring in with the threads '320hp ko4 build' 'bolt on mods for 300hp' etc etc. etc.

does Nicki realised what he's caused here? I think whenever these threads crop up, and they will, in their hundreds, we tell them to call r-tech and all their questions will be answered.

god, im gonna miss DV threads so much
 
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The hot side has been ported a little but other than that, it's standard. I was down earlier and the car sounds and goes very well on the dyno!
 
superkarl said:
This is terrible, so terrible. Tragic almost.
Here we are, ASN level expert, waiting for a wave of newbies to come soaring in with the threads '320hp ko4 build' 'bolt on mods for 300hp' etc etc. etc.

does Nicki realised what he's caused here? I think whenever these threads crop up, and they will, in their hundreds, we tell them to call r-tech and all their questions will be answered.

god, im gonna miss DV threads so much
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Lol

Vex182 said:
The hot side has been ported a little but other than that, it's standard. I was down earlier and the car sounds and goes very well on the dyno!
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That makes it sound like on a bone stock 225hp car adding a manifold gets you 325hp after tuning.
No 3" down pipe and exhaust?
No 3" thick big FMIC with 63mm piping?
No 80mm silicone TIP?
No big cone?
Stock inlet manifold and throttle body?
Stock cams?
Small port or large port head?
Stock bore and stroke?
No WMI?


Regardless its a great achievement between the B5 manifold and Nicks tuning, but I would expect most of the above to be on the mod list
 
The owner hasn't said the full spec list yet from what I've read..
Engine was rebuilt with rods by AKS Tuning
610cc injectors
No WMI
 
325bhp???!!!

tuned at r-tech
dyno'd at AMD?????
 
I dunno what they done to that car but its breathing freaking well!
Looks better than most hybrid graphs.

Maybe its just a freak motor like Welly's was but he was large port with 9.5 CR.

Looking forward to seeing the full information
 
For the record the Gen2 manifold has been in its Identical spec since April 2014, so its not new, not earth shattering, its old news. the manifolds been working on cars for months... Reminder Lupos hybrid has been 372bhp/320lbft (badger torque) for a year on the gen1 & gen2 manifold. It flows fine.

For a "std" k04 to achieve these 'figures' is amazing.

I will add, the manifold is just one component of the whole system, which is evidently in tip top order with complementary parts facilitating a decent result from a good map. Well done to the engine builder and a decent map to bring the hardware together.

There is no magic from the manifold which takes a std k04-023 to these power levels. Yes the manifold supports high flow... it has done since I released it and its gen2 iteration improved the top end, and alleviated some issues. The rest of the whole package needs to also facilitate the flow & efficiency

Will this be repeatable? I doubt many motors will be as good. Some are excellent "mutants" which set the bar high which I fear will leave some folks dissapointed if they believe this result is going to be easily replicated. Time will tell.

Ironic timing wise this news ripples out on fb, as the Gen2 new spec "as cast" version is with me now after many months of waiting and information exchange with the manufacturer. Same flow splitter as I have been retrofitting, but this is as cast now and supplied to me finished ready to go.

Credit to AKS for building a decent motor, and rtech mapping to its potential
 
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I think the lack of WMI makes the numbers even more impressive.

Very very impressed. Credit to all involved.

It's also nice to see there is no "told you so" remarks being thrown about, or more arguements :)

This car needs to get a hybrid and WMI strapped on to see the difference in the figures. Bet it would be an absolute animal!

Glad to see the "new" v2 no longer has the collector welded in. Something about that always concerned me.
 
No one has mentioned the boost yet. 2.4bar??
is that minus atmospheric or what? because that is ALOT

going off the conservative torque figure im going to see its 1.4bar boost + atmosphere
 
I know the welded collected is absolutely fine, just the cast in collector is 10x nicer, and 1 less thing to fail.

When you say "as cast", does that mean no more porting or anything needed? It literally leaves your hands as it left the factory? Very good if it is, must cut down the work needed quite considerably!

I just hope they don't pinch the casting and flog it off cheap like what happened with the JBS one.
 
For those that don't have facebook.

The logs below look real good

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As Bill says its all about the flow.

The turbo hotside has been ported to match the manifold and the turbine housing outlet matched to the Miltek downpipe.
So its all relatively free horse power found in the attention to detail.

Only detail not clear is if the manifold was a 42mm outlet or hogged out to 47mm and the turbo was matched to that.

Either way, it shows what can be done. That top end breathing is impressive!!
 
antwan64og said:
As Bill says its all about the flow.

The turbo hotside has been ported to match the manifold and the turbine housing outlet matched to the Miltek downpipe.
So its all relatively free horse power found in the attention to detail.

Only detail not clear is if the manifold was a 42mm outlet or hogged out to 47mm and the turbo was matched to that.

Either way, it shows what can be done. That top end breathing is impressive!!
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47mm.
The only size Gen2 is.
only 2 std size were ever made and one of them was machined larger at later date when converted to gen2 spec
 
badger5 said:
259g/s @6800rpm at 1.2bar boost is more flow than any other std k04 flows...
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Its the shape of the graph that gets me, it looks like what you expect from a bigger turbo thats being run on low boost! Its not out of breath top end.

Not the boost the beezus out of a tiny turbo for one dyno run then lower it to sensible levels for the street....

Truly impressive, it seems as though porting the turbine inlet and the big volume manifold effectively have a similiar effect as you would expect from increasing the A/R even though the scroll is the same size.

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superkarl said:
making the inlet bigger does increase A/R, its just inlet Area/Radius from centre of housing to centre of inlet.
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I thought so too since it increases the overall volume within the turbine housing, but on a technicality of where its measured from for the area in the ratio its the same A/R, lol, it works the same in practie though

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antwan64og said:
Its the shape of the graph that gets me, it looks like what you expect from a bigger turbo thats being run on low boost! Its not out of breath top end.
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where does a k04 comp wheel at 1.2bar at 5800/6000rpm get 259g/s from? Regardless of manifold etc...
thats the puzzle
 
oh god dont answer that!!!!
 
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badger5 said:
where does a k04 comp wheel at 1.2bar at 5800/6000rpm get 259g/s from? Regardless of manifold etc...
thats the puzzle
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lol, I thought the Ko4 022/023 compressor was rated to 32 Lbs/min which is ~241g/s

259g/s is over 34 lbs/min of air and it looks like its does it with ease.

Good numbers regardless
 
antwan64og said:
lol, I thought the Ko4 022/023 compressor was rated to 32 Lbs/min which is ~241g/s

259g/s is over 34 lbs/min of air and it looks like its does it with ease.

Good numbers regardless
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show me a compressor map if you have one 34lb ?? Are you sure

We've all seen k04's with assorted other hardware, inc manifolds, intakes etc etc.......

The figures this one has achieved are just step change higher than any other k04.
It would be foolish to not consider all the data... yes its apparently broken records etc etc... but niki can also compare with other k04 logs of which he would have 100's of same as me, and not see such high airflow from a k04 std unit.. regardless of other hardware. Its not like there is any wmi assistance which can sway the power vs injested airflow, its doing it on its own, on I presume regular pump fuel, holding very good timing, and churning in 259g/s of airflow somehow from 1.2bar at the max airflow. Thats some good going pulling that airflow in.. The question therefore is why/how this one manages to flow this IN at that boost level where others cant. Manifolds just one component, and is not the magic for the increased airflow. (I know it flows plenty I've been doing it for months now, but this is just amazing airflow for a stock k04.)
 
Makes me reconsider, would you still bother upgrading to a gtx28 when you can get so much from a k04.

What do you think you could get from a hybrid with this manifold?
 
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