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Jac Parry

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Hi everybody,

I haven't posted a thread in a while, so I thought i'd try my luck.

I've done the classic mods to my 2.0tdi, with a custom map up to 195bhp, and an rs4 ARB.

But living in the rural country of anglesey north wales, I want my drive to work to be a bit more exciting, power and handling wise.

This is where I ask, for reasonable money what more can I do to the engine and suspension set up for a lower stance and better handling and less lag from that turbo ?
 
I would say do the brakes or suspension next bud. You will feel the benefit of this ten times before making it go even faster IMO.
Depends on budget, how you use the car and what your preferences are though. ie, keep a bit of comfort with better handling and more control or go all out, coilover hard and low at the expense of daily comfort. upgraded pads and/or discs or full on RS4 brake kit 2 piece discs ect. or somewhere in between?
I would say have a look into a brake upgrade first depending on the state of your current suspension
 
I am very impressed with the Bilstein B12 Pro line kit fitted to my car. Initially just had the Eibach springs for a while and now fitted the matching B8 shockers, very much improved handling with a firmer ride from the uprated shockers.
But still very practical being able to negotiate speed bumps etc.
I think this is the kit for your car.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Eibach-Bi...452945987?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item19f31cfe43

If you want more go then you will be looking at a bigger turbo, intercooler, uprated clutch if you haven't got any of that already.
What is the standard power of the car?, does it still have the standard turbo ?
Usually cars with standard turbos' don't suffer from lag issues it's only those with larger turbo's that need the gas flow from higher revs to spool them that suffer lag issues.

Karl.
 
Hi guys,

I liking the suspension idea, beacause we all know how expensive engine modifications can be!

the b7 is a standard 140bhp with a standard turno and a new dual mass clutch, I was tempted by a single mass clutch but heard horror storries of too much tourque and snapping the crank.

so a general fast road suspension, being sports suspension no coilovers would be the best start ? becuase the roads this way do challenge a car hah!

Also I've heard poly bushing the car makes quite a difference ?

Cheers!

Jac
 
I went for Eibach pro street coil overs with Eibach front and rear anti roll bars. S4 rear brakes and brembo 6 pot fronts. The handling and stopping power is outstanding! Think I did the lot for £1700 which is quite good in the grand scheme of things.
Held the oem feel but performs outstandingly when required.
 
right, that sounds like a good set up Craig, but how is the ride ? not too stiff i'm guessing ?

it sounds like from the replies a decent suspension set up is only as good as the stopping power the car has.
 
I say It'll be wiser to improve the handling & braking ability and generally the reliability of the car before going for more horses.
 
Jac Parry said:
right, that sounds like a good set up Craig, but how is the ride ? not too stiff i'm guessing ?

it sounds like from the replies a decent suspension set up is only as good as the stopping power the car has.
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It's not too stiff at all mate tbh, it doesn't feel crashy, feels firm but stiff if that makes sense.
The main thing I wanted out of my suspension was comfort as well as handling. Nothing worse than getting in a comfortable Audi that nearly snaps your spine when you hit a stone on the road. That is what I didn't want. It's hard to explain without showing you really. But I'm a stickler for the oem feel. The roll bars got rid of a lot of body roll as well. Just very good combination over all.
 
TOM.S said:
I say It'll be wiser to improve the handling & braking ability and generally the reliability of the car before going for more horses.
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I'll be honest tom, I tuned mine to 360 bhp before I touched the suspension or brakes..
Big mistake!!
After nearly killing myself I then upgrade everything else. An unbelievable transformation. Smoking RS4's for fun! But then again, all of the above doesn't make any difference without some good rubber, as I also found out.
Finding that winning combination is hard, but the A4 has an amazing platform to build on.
 
totally agree with you on that one Craig. Good tyres are probably the most important, as its the only thing keeping you on the road and i did meant them too when I said handling, Perhaps I should learn to express myself more clearly
 
Thank you very much for the advice guys, so here is what i'm thinking from what i've gathered;

- Eibach pro street coilovers down about 40 mm
- Poly bushed suspension
- Bigger brake kit possibly to 6 pot
- Some good rubber
- Possibly de-cat and sport back box
 
I wouldn't say you need a 6 pot brake kit, something like 345mm front discs will do fine with some redstuff pads.
Be careful about going too hard with the suspension especially on poor quality roads, poly bushes are good on a track where it's reasonably smooth. Fit the suspension first and then decide if you want it any harder.
 
Jac Parry said:
Thank you very much for the advice guys, so here is what i'm thinking from what i've gathered;

- Eibach pro street coilovers down about 40 mm
- Poly bushed suspension
- Bigger brake kit possibly to 6 pot
- Some good rubber
- Possibly de-cat and sport back box
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Sounds like a good plan, but as above, I would probably avoid the Polly bushes. The standard set up is pretty dam good tbh.
 
guys i read that 6 pot brembo can be fitted on B7 and still can use 312mm rotors is that right ?
the reason of askig is - i just change my brakes with new discs and pads and is no worth it now to skip them
What is the price for 6 pot kit ? Caliper Carriers and hoses ?
Cheers
 
dimitar.tuntov.5 said:
guys i read that 6 pot brembo can be fitted on B7 and still can use 312mm rotors is that right ?
the reason of askig is - i just change my brakes with new discs and pads and is no worth it now to skip them
What is the price for 6 pot kit ? Caliper Carriers and hoses ?
Cheers
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You can use the calipers of the cayenne which are different calipers to the 18z's off the cayenne S. But people tend to go for the 18z and increase the disc size to 345mm
You would still need to change the pads so the only thing you may salvage would be the discs. You can get a pair of merc ml55 AMG discs 345mm for £80

Calipers £400 ish
Discs £80
Pads £70
Hoses £50
Caliper bolts £60
Centre bore machined out by 1mm £10

It's a fairly cheap job to do really, but I would consider the 18z over the smaller ones.
 
dimitar.tuntov.5 said:
guys i read that 6 pot brembo can be fitted on B7 and still can use 312mm rotors is that right ?
the reason of askig is - i just change my brakes with new discs and pads and is no worth it now to skip them
What is the price for 6 pot kit ? Caliper Carriers and hoses ?
Cheers
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I wouldn't have thought so with Cayenne calipers mate as the way it mounts changes the offset so you need the higher offset Merc ML disc. Some of the other Porsche calipers might be but you'd need specific caliper adaptors, same idea as folk putting Boxter rear calipers on Golfs etc. May be the Brembos from a Cupra or S3 might be compatable with your 312s? By the time the time you buy adaptors etc you'd be better just buying ML discs and Cayenne calipers then keep yours in case you return your car to standard and sell on. If you shop around you can do Cayennes for around £500 all in.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Eicher-Fr...ts=Car+Make:Mercedes-Benz&hash=item51b3602a18, £30 each with free delivery
 
I have Cayennes with 345mm Merc discs, straight fit with no adapters. Just different mounting bolts are req'd to fit the calipers.
 
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