8V S3 Tuning Thread
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Looks good but the thing holding the car back will be the dsg. Clutch slips on mine especially when launching so until theres a dsg map pointless going stage 2 imo.
Pointless ? 393 pk is more than a stage 1 tune. Also the sound of a full Milltek is way better than original.
At 513 nm the clutch does not slip. At 530/540 it did ...
En volgens mij kunnen wij gewoon nederlands lullen
Okay ill re phrase that. You wont see full potential of stage 2 until theres gearbox maps out as theres too much clutch slip with the added torque over stage 1.
Stage 1 is borderline on the limit of torque as it is.
Stage 1 is borderline on the limit of torque as it is.
Maybe, but mine whas limited because of lack of air / compression.
The APR intake is not sufficient to provide more air and the restricion is in the connection to the turbo.
APR uses the same connection as the original, that one needs to be bigger with a nicer bend in the end.
The APR intake is not sufficient to provide more air and the restricion is in the connection to the turbo.
APR uses the same connection as the original, that one needs to be bigger with a nicer bend in the end.
Maybe i will go back next year when upper problem and DSG tune is available to try to brake the 400 pk milestone
Thats contrary to what ive been told about the intake. Sure it wasnt the fan on the dyno limiting things? Air temps are nice and cool at the min so a new intake and ic wont have that much of an effect although I know an ic is gonna be a must on this engine when tuned when summer rolls around. Personally couldn't car less about peak numbers on a dyno. I know the tune I have is really really strong its just keeping the gearbox happy at the min. For sure the exhaust makes a huge difference compared to the stock one with a tune.
No the air intake didn't deliver enough.
Maybe a custom turbo in the future .... tuning is addictive
Maybe a custom turbo in the future .... tuning is addictive
Dandanfings
Registered User
yep i notice a little slip occasionally too at stage 1, sometimes not all the time.
Dandanfings
Registered User
This tune looks much better
I have to say that power is perfect, basically 400bhp!.
I cant wait for there to be more development on this engine
pat15312
Registered User
This tune looks much better
Any link to this video that isn't on Facebook? Can't see it...
I've got a manual, so I should be ok, re: Torque....
I've got the VW Racing 'Cup' Intake, which is an open filter and full Milltek waiting at home. Hoping airflow will be adequate on the VRW intake but it also uses the existing piping... Now just waiting on a Stage II to be available.... Christmas present? haha *crosses fingers*
I've got the VW Racing 'Cup' Intake, which is an open filter and full Milltek waiting at home. Hoping airflow will be adequate on the VRW intake but it also uses the existing piping... Now just waiting on a Stage II to be available.... Christmas present? haha *crosses fingers*
I Have not read all the previous post however APR here in Australia just posted figures for the Golf R and these should be around the same for the S3 , what do you guys think 283 KW and 523 nm
http://goapr.com.au/products/ecu_upgrade_golfr_mk7_gen3_au.html
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Liquidfusion-S3
I fall to peer pressure!
Unless they show official dyno figures instead of computer generated ones you can't believe the hype until you see it.
Revo being a rival to GoAPR states up to 370bhp but someone who ran a dyno with their remap barely achieved 330bhp!
I've done many launches in mine and know of many others through Santa pod meets etc. I think your friends must have been confused.
Yes there are safe guards for being too cold or too hot. Although I've never seen those as I am sensible when I do this repeatedly.
Btw I've been running with a fsr and pedal box combo for a few thousand miles now.
Vtec Abuser
Registered User
Some figures back from VCDS
S3 8V stage 1, S-tronic, launch control, ambient temp 7 degrees
Metric units
0 to 100 km/h: 4.6 +- 0.28s
400m: 12.7 +- 0.26s, @177 km/h
90-120 km/h: 2.3 +- 0.28s
200 meters: 8.2 +- 0.27s, @139 km/h
US Units
0 to 60 mph: 4.3 +- 0.26s
1/4 mile: 12.7 +- 0.26s, @110 mph
60-90 mph: 4.4 +- 0.25s
660 feet: 8.2 +- 0.27s, @86 mph
Time(s) km/h m
0.00 0.0 0.0
0.13 1.7 0.1
0.27 3.4 0.2
0.39 6.9 0.4
0.52 27.4 1.4
0.64 34.6 2.6
0.78 38.2 4.1
0.90 40.0 5.4
1.03 40.0 6.8
1.16 41.0 8.3
1.30 42.0 9.9
1.42 42.4 11.4
1.54 43.2 12.8
1.66 44.8 14.3
1.78 46.9 15.9
1.92 51.6 17.9
2.04 53.7 19.7
2.16 55.6 21.5
2.28 58.0 23.4
2.40 61.0 25.5
2.54 65.3 28.0
2.67 67.1 30.5
2.79 69.0 32.7
2.94 72.6 35.8
3.07 74.4 38.4
3.20 76.2 41.2
3.33 79.8 44.1
3.48 81.6 47.5
3.61 85.0 50.6
3.74 86.5 53.7
3.88 87.9 57.1
4.01 91.4 60.4
4.14 93.4 63.8
4.28 94.8 67.5
4.41 97.4 71.0
4.54 98.8 74.6
4.70 100.0 78.9
4.83 102.6 82.8
4.96 103.9 86.5
5.11 105.2 90.8
5.24 107.7 94.7
5.37 109.0 98.7
5.52 110.3 103.2
5.65 113.0 107.3
5.78 114.2 111.5
5.93 116.7 116.4
6.06 118.0 120.6
6.19 119.2 124.9
6.35 121.6 130.2
6.47 122.8 134.4
6.60 123.7 138.8
6.73 126.0 143.4
6.88 127.8 148.6
7.00 128.7 153.0
7.13 130.5 157.7
7.27 131.5 162.9
7.40 132.4 167.6
7.52 134.2 172.1
7.65 135.1 176.9
7.79 136.0 182.2
7.91 137.8 186.9
8.04 138.7 191.8
8.16 139.6 196.5
8.30 140.5 202.0
8.42 142.4 206.8
8.54 143.3 211.5
8.66 144.3 216.3
8.78 145.2 221.2
8.92 146.1 226.9
9.04 148.0 231.8
9.17 148.9 237.2
9.30 149.8 242.6
9.45 151.5 248.9
9.58 152.5 254.4
9.70 153.4 259.6
9.85 155.1 266.1
9.98 156.0 271.6
10.11 157.9 277.4
10.26 158.8 284.0
10.39 159.6 289.7
10.52 161.4 295.5
10.68 162.3 302.7
10.81 163.9 308.6
10.94 164.6 314.6
11.34 167.6 333.2
11.47 168.4 339.4
11.62 169.5 346.1
11.74 171.2 352.1
11.87 171.9 358.2
12.00 172.6 364.5
12.15 173.8 371.7
12.28 174.7 378.0
12.41 176.0 384.4
12.55 176.5 391.2
12.68 177.2 397.7
12.81 178.7 404.1
S3 8V stage 1, S-tronic, launch control, ambient temp 7 degrees
Metric units
0 to 100 km/h: 4.6 +- 0.28s
400m: 12.7 +- 0.26s, @177 km/h
90-120 km/h: 2.3 +- 0.28s
200 meters: 8.2 +- 0.27s, @139 km/h
US Units
0 to 60 mph: 4.3 +- 0.26s
1/4 mile: 12.7 +- 0.26s, @110 mph
60-90 mph: 4.4 +- 0.25s
660 feet: 8.2 +- 0.27s, @86 mph
Time(s) km/h m
0.00 0.0 0.0
0.13 1.7 0.1
0.27 3.4 0.2
0.39 6.9 0.4
0.52 27.4 1.4
0.64 34.6 2.6
0.78 38.2 4.1
0.90 40.0 5.4
1.03 40.0 6.8
1.16 41.0 8.3
1.30 42.0 9.9
1.42 42.4 11.4
1.54 43.2 12.8
1.66 44.8 14.3
1.78 46.9 15.9
1.92 51.6 17.9
2.04 53.7 19.7
2.16 55.6 21.5
2.28 58.0 23.4
2.40 61.0 25.5
2.54 65.3 28.0
2.67 67.1 30.5
2.79 69.0 32.7
2.94 72.6 35.8
3.07 74.4 38.4
3.20 76.2 41.2
3.33 79.8 44.1
3.48 81.6 47.5
3.61 85.0 50.6
3.74 86.5 53.7
3.88 87.9 57.1
4.01 91.4 60.4
4.14 93.4 63.8
4.28 94.8 67.5
4.41 97.4 71.0
4.54 98.8 74.6
4.70 100.0 78.9
4.83 102.6 82.8
4.96 103.9 86.5
5.11 105.2 90.8
5.24 107.7 94.7
5.37 109.0 98.7
5.52 110.3 103.2
5.65 113.0 107.3
5.78 114.2 111.5
5.93 116.7 116.4
6.06 118.0 120.6
6.19 119.2 124.9
6.35 121.6 130.2
6.47 122.8 134.4
6.60 123.7 138.8
6.73 126.0 143.4
6.88 127.8 148.6
7.00 128.7 153.0
7.13 130.5 157.7
7.27 131.5 162.9
7.40 132.4 167.6
7.52 134.2 172.1
7.65 135.1 176.9
7.79 136.0 182.2
7.91 137.8 186.9
8.04 138.7 191.8
8.16 139.6 196.5
8.30 140.5 202.0
8.42 142.4 206.8
8.54 143.3 211.5
8.66 144.3 216.3
8.78 145.2 221.2
8.92 146.1 226.9
9.04 148.0 231.8
9.17 148.9 237.2
9.30 149.8 242.6
9.45 151.5 248.9
9.58 152.5 254.4
9.70 153.4 259.6
9.85 155.1 266.1
9.98 156.0 271.6
10.11 157.9 277.4
10.26 158.8 284.0
10.39 159.6 289.7
10.52 161.4 295.5
10.68 162.3 302.7
10.81 163.9 308.6
10.94 164.6 314.6
11.34 167.6 333.2
11.47 168.4 339.4
11.62 169.5 346.1
11.74 171.2 352.1
11.87 171.9 358.2
12.00 172.6 364.5
12.15 173.8 371.7
12.28 174.7 378.0
12.41 176.0 384.4
12.55 176.5 391.2
12.68 177.2 397.7
12.81 178.7 404.1
RYuill
Registered User
http://www.goapr.co.uk/support/datalogging.php
http://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/tour/acceleration.html
Select Control Module
01-Engine
Adv. Meas. Values
Click Turbo!
Scroll down the measuring block list until you find "Speed" and select this along with any other measurement you want to record (explained on APR website)
A hidden "Acceleration" button will appear next to the "Turbo" button, click this
The acceleration page will then be displayed > http://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/tour/acceleration.html
Click "Start" prior to moving off and it will start recording a 0-60 run and 1/4 mile times.
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RYuill
Registered User
I have put a bit more meat on the bones in my previous post, should clear things up. Ideally you want someone in the passenger seat pressing the buttons, otherwise make sure the laptop is strapped down with a seat belt and keep your eyes on the road if you don't have a private test track.Thanks, will give this a shot tomorrow
did one yesterday in the rain and it was a muddy road..
i will do some more in next few days or so
pat15312
Registered User
APR are pretty tight with one of their dealers in Australia, so I imagine they've been able to conduct enough testing to deem the product "consumer ready" in that market.
No doubt they're feeling a lot of pressure to release a remap for this engine; this news gives us an indication that they're getting pretty close now.
No doubt they're feeling a lot of pressure to release a remap for this engine; this news gives us an indication that they're getting pretty close now.
sorry mate wasn't my vmax ... it has been disabled .. 270 kmh on german autobahn on a bussy day with one hand on the wheel and one with my iPhone and with a winter setup (18") ....i though it was enough ...
Siemoneit measured 300 kmh with almost the same bhp on 19"
So nobody here with a Stage 1 or Stage 2 has a new software for his DSG? Only the standard software and this can handle over 500 nm ?
No proper DSG software is available yet and not sure how much it can handle tbh. Main problem is when launching (see second video above) it slips then bogs down in first. Even with this im still clocking 3.9/4.0 to 60 timed with a vbox.
Most people run a dtuk box and there not massively torquey so don't seem to have these issues, although with a few successive launches my mate in his golf r had a clutchpack overheat fault with vcds.
A dsg map is required to get full potential from stage 2 definitely. Stage 1 should be fine, after all stage 1 is designed for an over wise standard car.
Most people run a dtuk box and there not massively torquey so don't seem to have these issues, although with a few successive launches my mate in his golf r had a clutchpack overheat fault with vcds.
A dsg map is required to get full potential from stage 2 definitely. Stage 1 should be fine, after all stage 1 is designed for an over wise standard car.
Dandanfings
Registered User
I am getting slipping with stage 1.
It's very slight and only at low rpm when the turbo first kicks in and sometimes in 6th at 3-4000rpm.
Def need a dsg map to handle the torque
It's very slight and only at low rpm when the turbo first kicks in and sometimes in 6th at 3-4000rpm.
Def need a dsg map to handle the torque
But Siemoneit here in germany and some other tuners are offering a DSG Stage 3 map...
Happy days for you then but in the uk we don't have anyone yet, but I know GAIC are working on it right now.
Like i said before, it was on a wet and sandy road with esp off, so it will always spin ...
I have got no dsg slip encountered after the first day of the tune.
When i can find the time i will make a new one on dry tarmac ...
