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Could you post a video of what it sounds like? I had a millek on my old cooper s and wonder what the audi one is like..
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there is a short video on the facebookpage of the sound
had no time to make a better video, maybe in the next few days i have more time
had no time to make a better video, maybe in the next few days i have more time
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I disagree and the landscape will be totally different in 12 months... but hey, you stick with the plastic box
I've got a full Milltek and intake sitting in my garage, waiting on a Stage II tune. Is the intercooler required for the Stage II tune? My Golf R just required the full exhaust (mainly dump pipe) and intake and am just wondering if the S3 needs the cooler as well?
These engine run a lot hotter than the previous ko4 tfsi I would say yes definitely. Not a huge rush just yet with it been winter.
Oh most definitely a good idea. I'm assuming the tune will run 'fine' without a cooler installed though? And then I can add one further down the track...
Hey everyone
Just driven the S3 enough to post a review with my personal score from 1-10, I'm sure it will be in the interest of many to read closely because I have experienced the car stock, box tuned and obd map tuned. By the way my car is a manual S3 sedan that is about to hit 2000 miles on the clock.
Stock Car: Very content if compared to previous 2.0 from the 888 engine family and specially compared to a 2004 subaru STI were the turbo took an eternity to kick in. The engine feels and has more torque reserve and it even finds more power up on the range like a N/A engine. The only let down is that I was expecting peak torque as officially stated by Audi at 1,800 rpm. I think most owners here would agree that it peaks at around 3,500 rpm
SCORE: 7
DTUK FSR tuning box(3+3): The box is pretty easy to install as long as you can lift the car. It would take around 25 minutes if you know what you are doing and it looks clean once installed pretty much hidden between the air intake and battery. The box does not trigger any engine lights and the car feels very stock-like. The engine maintains its power band configuration but the pull is around 10% stronger and you clearly hear more boost noise. From 5,500-6,500 rpm you feel a greater pull at around 15%+ compared to stock reaching redline in a more spirited manner.
SCORE: 8
REVO stage 1(98 ron map): OK so here the car feels quite different to stock. Idle seems identical but as soon as you press slightly the throttle you feel more torque under the hood and the car is noticeably louder while slow cruising on first gear which is very pleasant by the way. I would not say that the torque peaks at 1,800 but it for sure offers more than before at lower rev ranges. When you push it to the metal the gain is immense, I wouldn't guess hp/torque figures but it is wild. My guess would be 40% more pull compared to stock in a more violent way specially on the first 3 gears. It climbs revs at an astonishing rate while pumping maybe a bit less boost noise than the DTUK box. Installation takes about 90 minutes to load the map and your good to go again with no engine lights or hiccups what so ever just like the tuning box. The only thing that I don't find perfect is that the surge struggles slightly from 5,500 to redline, as if the upper range has not broken in yet. I think it might be down to low mileage or that the car is crying for a 200 cell downpipe. In this case my score would be 10/10.
SCORE: 9.5
Dino figures would have been great and would have caught more attention but in the other hand I think it would confuse the experience much more. Dino figures are all over the place specially with torque curves so I think driving and comparing gives a much more precise real world experience. From my experience the remap has given me much more pronounced gains than the DTUK box along with a different character to the engine. I mean if you guys think that a tuning box can stack up to a top of the line remap then you haven't tried much from REVO, APR, some custom made maps, etc. This said though, no one can neglect the fact that the box gives a clear advantage when dodging warranty issues.
That's fantastic - thank you for taking the time to write this up. And I think you're right regarding downpipe... Definitely crying out for some more breathing room.
Hope you continue to love the car and PS. Good decision on the manual
By the way Bronquito if you get the revo map which I strongly recommend, Hunt for Shell stations because V-power does make a difference, I though it was all a legend but I can confirm that that this time it is true. At least for this car and configuration
No problem. Hope the review helps, it is great to have detailed info on our cars for future purchases. Having great fun with my manual and the aluminum optional gear knob feels mint. It was a very tough decision to buy it with manual transmission as in Spain the Stronic fits in a lower tax emission range by just 1 co2 so it is offered for only 400€ compared to manual. I know in the UK you are paying full price for dual clutch so It felt wrong choosing a manual but now that I have it I can be more happy with my decision. And yes this car is dying for a high flow exhaust. I wish I could find more videos of resonated exhausts to make my mind up.That's fantastic - thank you for taking the time to write this up. And I think you're right regarding downpipe... Definitely crying out for some more breathing room.
Hope you continue to love the car and PS. Good decision on the manual
Cheers
The intercooler works perfect. It keeps the temp at around 27 degrees celcius.
Is was quite a lot of work to install the intercooler. It was a mbq platform Golf R 7 intercooler, but the S3 has a different front and the airco unit lines are infront of the intercooler so that needed to be disconected and now needs a refill ... it took about 4 hours to adjust and install this intercooler.
The initial results where a bit disappointing (383pk) bt after a little tune / remap it whent up.
If the APR intake where a little better it should reach the 400pk line. Now it had to little air to cranck it up.
The connection from the APR to the turbo needs to be a bit bigger (still uses stock adapter). An open airfilter could be better also.
But in 3rd gear it measured 404pk, and at different runs i have also seen 530/540nm torque.
Sometimes the DSG slips a little, but in the few days i am driving with te tune i haven't noticed it any more.
A DSG tune will be done when availeble.
Is was quite a lot of work to install the intercooler. It was a mbq platform Golf R 7 intercooler, but the S3 has a different front and the airco unit lines are infront of the intercooler so that needed to be disconected and now needs a refill
... it took about 4 hours to adjust and install this intercooler.The initial results where a bit disappointing (383pk) bt after a little tune / remap it whent up.
If the APR intake where a little better it should reach the 400pk line. Now it had to little air to cranck it up.
The connection from the APR to the turbo needs to be a bit bigger (still uses stock adapter). An open airfilter could be better also.
But in 3rd gear it measured 404pk, and at different runs i have also seen 530/540nm torque.
Sometimes the DSG slips a little, but in the few days i am driving with te tune i haven't noticed it any more.
A DSG tune will be done when availeble.
Aral 102 (Germany) an Firezone Competition fuel 102 (Netherlands) are the best
Next best is BP Ultimate (98 ron) with some Ethanol added ...
Shell is rated at 97 ron
Next best is BP Ultimate (98 ron) with some Ethanol added ...
Shell is rated at 97 ron
Thanks for the info and recommendations. BTW here in Peru, I use 98 Repsol gasoline. Mine is a S-Tronic with 2700 Kilometers. This Friday we are going to remap my S3 and my wife Q5 2.0T 225hp, now, by OBDII port. Cheers
this maybe of interest to some of you, moreso page 2 reply number 3
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/...=0&nmt=Golf+R+Warranty+Help+Please&mid=407672
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http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/...=0&nmt=Golf+R+Warranty+Help+Please&mid=407672
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Apparently this is shot from the said Golf R
Although to map a car with 40 miles is daft its a damn good video
Although to map a car with 40 miles is daft its a damn good video
Irrespective of the remap, does the Golf not come up on the DIS and tell you the warranty is void if you use launch control more than three times?!?
One of the guys at my work just bought one and he told me that popped up when he was out test driving the DSG version prior to buying the manual...
On that note, I wouldn't recommend buying any of the ex-demo DSG Golf R's from Aberdeen btw
One of the guys at my work just bought one and he told me that popped up when he was out test driving the DSG version prior to buying the manual...
On that note, I wouldn't recommend buying any of the ex-demo DSG Golf R's from Aberdeen btw
And you still believe your boxes are completely undectable even if vw/audi dig a little deeper after a turbo/engine failure?
You could well and truly be up sh*t creak if found wanting in that department.
Revo, APR, GAIC Unitronic etc have never said there software is undectable, you have guaranteed it is...
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Irrespective of the remap, does the Golf not come up on the DIS and tell you the warranty is void if you use launch control more than three times?!?
One of the guys at my work just bought one and he told me that popped up when he was out test driving the DSG version prior to buying the manual...
On that note, I wouldn't recommend buying any of the ex-demo DSG Golf R's from Aberdeen btw
No one has ever told me using launch control will void the warranty???!
No one has ever told me using launch control will void the warranty???!
That's because hes talking boll0cks. If it voided warranty then it wouldn't have launch control.
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I did wonder why it would have a feature that you can't use. Not that i use it very often anyway
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Shame that it seems to have lunched it's turbo into the bargain......being the beta tester for software is never the sort of thing you want to be,as that's where all of the real faults turn up.
I believe that if you have a turbo failure and get off the tunning box before you go to Audi house, you can use the warranty without being detected.
Ok you have an over boost, but it can be attributable to the turbo fail, not to an external tune. In fact it´s more difficult to be discovered, you can fight it.
Ok you have an over boost, but it can be attributable to the turbo fail, not to an external tune. In fact it´s more difficult to be discovered, you can fight it.
i think he is confused with a old bmw with F1 launch control ... after 3 times using launch control it is broke ...
surely you can use launch control on your audi as much as you like !
surely you can use launch control on your audi as much as you like !
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Thats probably correct,however the thing here was that of being a beta tester(for which read very early after roll-out) and then doing a relatively well documented drag run,and being caught.
I am only saying what the guy at work who bought a Golf R and the other bloke who was in the car with him has told me that the car flashed up on the DIS regarding warranty after three launches. Whether its crap or not I dunno as I wasn't there, but I can't see them making that up!
And was there not also a warranty rejection issue with the early Nissan GT-Rs for a similar thing??
I agree I can't see anything in the manual or the point of having launch control if you can't use it. And the Audi manual actually states that the gearbox will disable launch control if it gets too hot so that implies you "should" be ok. But has anyone read, word for word, whatever warranty documentation came with the car?!
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Repsol is good. Its our largest national petrol company so they are all over here. It is just that you might feel the edge of v-power, specially with this revo map. The stock car will not differentiate repsol from Shell at all. Repsol 98 ron is top of the line but v-power has some extra additives
Some dyno figures are starting to come through for the Revo S3 remap ...
Indigo-GT - "Running 97 RON fuel this S3 measured 297bhp & 300lbft, with Revo Stage 1 Performance Software the gains were instant measuring 340bhp & 380lbft! With higher quality fuel up to 371bhp is achievable on the S3"
https://www.facebook.com/indigogt
Not quite the 370bhp quoted. I think they are living in cloud 9 if they think 99 RON fuel would make an extra 31bhp
(Caveat.. the "dyno lottery" theory of course applies here, but these are figures being dished out by tuners trying to get punters for the remap)
Indigo-GT - "Running 97 RON fuel this S3 measured 297bhp & 300lbft, with Revo Stage 1 Performance Software the gains were instant measuring 340bhp & 380lbft! With higher quality fuel up to 371bhp is achievable on the S3"
https://www.facebook.com/indigogt
Not quite the 370bhp quoted. I think they are living in cloud 9 if they think 99 RON fuel would make an extra 31bhp
(Caveat.. the "dyno lottery" theory of course applies here, but these are figures being dished out by tuners trying to get punters for the remap)
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Some dyno figures are starting to come through for the Revo S3 remap ...
Indigo-GT - "Running 97 RON fuel this S3 measured 297bhp & 300lbft, with Revo Stage 1 Performance Software the gains were instant measuring 340bhp & 380lbft! With higher quality fuel up to 371bhp is achievable on the S3"
https://www.facebook.com/indigogt
Not quite the 370bhp quoted. I think they are living in cloud 9 if they think 99 RON fuel would make an extra 31bhp
(Caveat.. the "dyno lottery" theory of course applies here, but these are figures being dished out by tuners trying to get punters for the remap)
It does look a bit disappointing,although by pushing the boost and timing with 99RON fuel,they would be able to get some gains over 97RON,but they'd also need to look at EGTs etc etc.
I'm seeing varying results on the dyno with different cars. Golf R's are tending to perform better than the S3 at the moment. I have seen as low as 270bhp in stock trim.
If anyone wants a dyno run, whatever the spec, let me know and i will arrange one at a discounted rate in the name of science
Rick
If anyone wants a dyno run, whatever the spec, let me know and i will arrange one at a discounted rate in the name of science
Rick
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I'm seeing varying results on the dyno with different cars. Golf R's are tending to perform better than the S3 at the moment. I have seen as low as 270bhp in stock trim.
If anyone wants a dyno run, whatever the spec, let me know and i will arrange one at a discounted rate in the name of science
Rick
Where are you based?
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Maybe a bit far to drive for a dyno run. I'm planning on my car on the RR next month, I will let you know the outcome for your science project
Got mine Revo remapped last weekend. Do the same with my wife's 2.0T Q5 (Awesome results). Did not have much time to play with both, but... Changes are terrific! Not sure if I really feel more lag, maybe takes some time to adpat ECU to new SW.
Anybody here with another S3 Revo experience?
Anybody here with another S3 Revo experience?
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I'd be interested to get mine on the dyno, if you can do Saturdays? I work away during the weekI'm seeing varying results on the dyno with different cars. Golf R's are tending to perform better than the S3 at the moment. I have seen as low as 270bhp in stock trim.
If anyone wants a dyno run, whatever the spec, let me know and i will arrange one at a discounted rate in the name of science
Rick
Its been mentioned here that some Audi deaerships offer/don't mind ECU tuning, however its never been mentioned which these were/are? Has anyone with a tuned 8V had it done either through their dealership (if ECU tune friendly) or had it arranged via them? If so which dealerships have been offering this?
