Just wondering, this is my first s-tronic gearbox and so far I've not come across a situation where I would shift into neutral - I'm guessing without hold assist one would use the neutral position when stopped at a junction etc to stop creep without needing to use the brakes?
Neutral on S-tronic gearbox - do you ever use it? :)
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Apparently when you press the brake pedal the box goes into neutral automatically. I used to put the TTS into N at junctions but I don't bother with the S3!
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Interesting - so is there any purpose in the neutral position existing on these modern s-tronic gearboxes? If the car was to be towed or something??
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Car dose creep forward if the brake is not fully depressed...! When the brake is fully pressed the clutch is activated and the car is in Neutral. If you take your foot off the brake slightly you can feel the clutch engage and the car is a biting point!
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
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The only time I ever use neutral is when parking the car in the garage to let it roll a couple of inches to a bsr on the floor (stops me pranging the front end on the garage wall!) But apart from that I rely on the stop start function. Intersting though that the brake lights stay on even after you've taken your foot off the brake pedal and only go off after touching the accelerator to restart the car.
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No HA so at long lights I always put it in N with the parking brake on so I can rest my foot.
The only time I have used neutral is a couple of months ago when I took my family to Hangman's hill in Epping Forest. It's one of those roads where your car appears to roll uphill from a standing start.
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To answer the OP
S-tronic can/will creep
S-tronic can also roll-back. (Which is why you have around 2 seconds of Hill Hold as standard. Hold Assist is an option, but Hill Hold is standard on all A3/S3 Manual and S-tronic)
In "S" - with engine running, and you're in "D" - the clutch will be held at bite point with your foot on the foot brake. If you're going to be stationary longer than say 40 seconds, nudge the lever into "N". It will save the clutch being constantly at bite point.
In "D" - with engine running, and you're in "D" - and you have your foot "lightly" on the brake - this is the first brake pedal position where the car is stopped just enough to stop it creeping, and S/S hasn't cut in, in this situation, the clutch is at bite point as above, so again, if you're going to be stationary longer than say 40 seconds, nudge the lever into "N". Or Press the Brake Pedal harder, as this will lead to:-
In "D" - with engine running, and you're in "D" - and you have your foot "hard" on the brake - this is the second brake pedal position where the car is stopped, and S/S will cut in. In which case nothing is turning, and there will be no clutch wear in this situation. If S/S is disabled, then engine will continue to run, but revs will drop, clutch plates back off a fraction, and there will be less clutch engagement compared to the scenario above. In theory, you can stay in this situation as there is minimal clutch engagement (but still some), so it's up to you and your degree of mechanical sympathy if you want to nudge the lever into "N" or not. I personally would if I was going to be longer than a minute. Plus it saves those nasty bright brake lights
People with S-tronic AND Hold Assist can find a 3rd brake pedal position, where S/S engages, but HA doesn't Or some such combination..
At the end of the day, it's going to take many many miles to wear out the clutches by holding them at bite point at idle, so one could in theory never use "N".
However it is also true that there is clutch engagement at all times due to the nature of the gearbox, so it won't hurt to have a degree of mechanical sympathy and nudge it into "N" for longer waiting times.
S-tronic can/will creep
S-tronic can also roll-back. (Which is why you have around 2 seconds of Hill Hold as standard. Hold Assist is an option, but Hill Hold is standard on all A3/S3 Manual and S-tronic)
In "S" - with engine running, and you're in "D" - the clutch will be held at bite point with your foot on the foot brake. If you're going to be stationary longer than say 40 seconds, nudge the lever into "N". It will save the clutch being constantly at bite point.
In "D" - with engine running, and you're in "D" - and you have your foot "lightly" on the brake - this is the first brake pedal position where the car is stopped just enough to stop it creeping, and S/S hasn't cut in, in this situation, the clutch is at bite point as above, so again, if you're going to be stationary longer than say 40 seconds, nudge the lever into "N". Or Press the Brake Pedal harder, as this will lead to:-
In "D" - with engine running, and you're in "D" - and you have your foot "hard" on the brake - this is the second brake pedal position where the car is stopped, and S/S will cut in. In which case nothing is turning, and there will be no clutch wear in this situation. If S/S is disabled, then engine will continue to run, but revs will drop, clutch plates back off a fraction, and there will be less clutch engagement compared to the scenario above. In theory, you can stay in this situation as there is minimal clutch engagement (but still some), so it's up to you and your degree of mechanical sympathy if you want to nudge the lever into "N" or not. I personally would if I was going to be longer than a minute. Plus it saves those nasty bright brake lights
People with S-tronic AND Hold Assist can find a 3rd brake pedal position, where S/S engages, but HA doesn't
Or some such combination..At the end of the day, it's going to take many many miles to wear out the clutches by holding them at bite point at idle, so one could in theory never use "N".
However it is also true that there is clutch engagement at all times due to the nature of the gearbox, so it won't hurt to have a degree of mechanical sympathy and nudge it into "N" for longer waiting times.
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If you didn't have a neutral position, I imagine the car's gearbox would have a hard time shifting from the forward gearset to reverse gear quickly enough when doing multi point parking manoeuvres.
^ Ah, but it is a dual clutch gearbox, so it's possible to get 1st and R lined up on separate clutches at the same time, then just wire up a switch to go between those 2 gears without "N"
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Having driven my parents DSG Touran and the joy of an A5 SB S-Tronic while my 8P manual box was being replaced a few weeks ago, I found when approaching a point where I would be stationary I liked to nudge N to coast to a stop. This was because I didn't like the engine pushing me all the way to the point I stopped. Mechanical sympathy on the brakes by me I guess. I've got my first S-Tronic an 8V is coming next month.
HA comes on first, so you have 3 positions: just held with the clutch at biting point, just on HA but no S/S the clutch seems to disengage somewhat at this point, fully held so that S/S comes on.People with S-tronic AND Hold Assist can find a 3rd brake pedal position, where S/S engages, but HA doesn't
As I recall, R and 1st are on the same clutch pack, so in reality you can't do that.^ Ah, but it is a dual clutch gearbox, so it's possible to get 1st and R lined up on separate clutches at the same time, then just wire up a switch to go between those 2 gears without "N"
Ha Flibble, long time no see!
It was you I was thinking off when I was writing about the HA position of the brake pedal, I remember you saying something about it in the past, but brain was hurting at this point!
And you're quite right of course, my bad, 1 and R are on the same clutch pack, so it would have to be 2 and R, to flick between them
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I don't have HA, so can't try this - in this condition (HA, S/S not activated) and the gearbox in "S", will it allow you to move the gear lever between D and N without your foot being on the brake pedal? And - if it does allow this, do the engine revs change when you move between D and N and back again?
Really, the true way of knowing how much the clutches are engaged/disengaged/biting is to measure the clamping pressures with say, VCDS with the car running. One more for the to do list.
It was you I was thinking off when I was writing about the HA position of the brake pedal, I remember you saying something about it in the past, but brain was hurting at this point!
And you're quite right of course, my bad, 1 and R are on the same clutch pack, so it would have to be 2 and R, to flick between them
Edit:
I don't have HA, so can't try this - in this condition (HA, S/S not activated) and the gearbox in "S", will it allow you to move the gear lever between D and N without your foot being on the brake pedal? And - if it does allow this, do the engine revs change when you move between D and N and back again?
Really, the true way of knowing how much the clutches are engaged/disengaged/biting is to measure the clamping pressures with say, VCDS with the car running. One more for the to do list.
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I tried this today.
With the car in D, when HA engages the revs drop slightly, you can move the gear stick between D and N without your foot on the pedal.
With the car in S, when HA engages the revs don't drop, you can engage N at which point the revs drop, but you have to manually engage the brake pedal to re-engage S.
So it seems like in D HA will disengage the gear box, while in S it holds it engaged against the brakes for a faster get away.
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Makes sense, though I'm now trying to imagine you engaging the brake pedal 'manually'.
You stick yer hoof on it...Makes sense, though I'm now trying to imagine you engaging the brake pedal 'manually'.
Hi all,
I've found this thread after getting my first Audi and so first automatic car.
I was sat in a lot of stop-start traffic today so got to thinking about the N position on the gear selection and considering its purpose.
My A6 has stop start and auto-hold so when I press the brake pedal a bit harder at a stop it holds the brake on for me.
I moved the gear selector to N and then pressed the pedal though and could feel a noticeable "cluck" through the gear selector.
This would then happen each time I pressed the brake pedal while stationary.
Moving the gear selector back to D, this wouldn't happen.
I wondered if this was to do with the car engaging Neutral when the brake pedal is pressed at a standstill?
I've found this thread after getting my first Audi and so first automatic car.
I was sat in a lot of stop-start traffic today so got to thinking about the N position on the gear selection and considering its purpose.
My A6 has stop start and auto-hold so when I press the brake pedal a bit harder at a stop it holds the brake on for me.
I moved the gear selector to N and then pressed the pedal though and could feel a noticeable "cluck" through the gear selector.
This would then happen each time I pressed the brake pedal while stationary.
Moving the gear selector back to D, this wouldn't happen.
I wondered if this was to do with the car engaging Neutral when the brake pedal is pressed at a standstill?
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I used it to coast a bit and blip the throttle just before stopping. In the RS3 it would have been rude not to.
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