Remapping and Rolling Road Shoot-Out Day @ AMD Essex

Rhawkes69 said:
Hi s3Alex was good to meet you at amd on Sunday for the rolling road day and get to see the beast lol
It was a great day and enjoyed it. Regarding advice was looking at starting modding my standard s3 and was wondering what mods I should start with and what are the best parts (brands) I should go for or some good options. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I a new to all thetunning scene.
Kind regards Rob
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Hi Rob,

It was good to meet you,and a lot of other folk there,and have a bit of fun with the cars.

I've left you a bit of a parts list by PM,but you should know that asking for advice here is like leaving your wallet open ....
 
**** UPDATE **** - Still very confused - AMD checked all pipes and fuel pump- did more logging with no problem - no faults - they even took the dsp and map software off and reloaded it with no change! they don't know whats wrong but have said it still pulls how it should and suggested it could be the car isn't happy on the dyno - what to do from here i don't know!?

I cant fault AMD what so ever because they are excellent to deal with and have done excellent work but whats peoples opinion on changing to APR or Revo software ?

Suggestions on what to do next would be great as ive hit a dead end!

Alex
 
How annoying mate. I appreciate it must be bugging the hell out of you; as it would me.

For what it's worth, last weekend was my 3rd and 4th dyno runs at AMD.

The torque figure from my 1st run was 358, and the torque figure from my 2nd run - after the addition of an Airtec FMIC and a more aggressive remap of my Stage 2+ software - was 310!

I never really looked into why there was such a difference, but my clutch started to slip shortly after my 2nd dyno. Having had the Spec Stage 3+ fitted prior to the meet last week, my car then returned torque figures of 342 and 353 for runs 3 and 4 last Sunday - so I guess it could be safe to assume that the out-going clutch might have been the reason behind the drop in torque.

I know yours is an S-Tronic, but maybe that's where the issue lies; in the gearbox's ability to cope with the additional power?

With regards to trying other S-Tronic tuned software, I guess it couldn't hurt. We know Charlie23 returned awesome figures with his (manual) APR map, and I've been on Revo since upgrading from stock and have had absolutely no problems whatsoever.

I'd be interested to know if there are any other S-Tronic S3 owners on here that are running AMD Stage 2+, and what their figures are...

I remember you pulling away as you left last weekend and your car certainly didn't sound slow!!! :)
 
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That's got to be down to your old clutch losing out and limiting torque by slipping.

The Spec won't give you any such problems!
 
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I cant imagine it being the clutch or gearbox on mine!? should take up to 420lbs torque before you notice any strain and my car has ever returned anything close to that ?

there was another s3 dsg mapped by AMD up to stage 2 there that returned 350bhp - cant remember what the torque was? but not sure he had the dsg upgrade.

Furthermore the first run i had after getting stage 2+ done returned near 360 bhp on a very hot day so i cant understand the sudden loss .

would i notice if the gearbox was going on dsg?

What do you think it could be Alex?
 
If there were torque limiting or slipping,you'd notice that as with any other clutch.
 
also thinking about it the torque limit is raised to 500 and mine inst making anywhere near that! CONFUSED.COM does not even explain what i should do next!? haha

Engine Decoke?
 
also car only done 28k and 2 and half years old so would hope the gearbox isnt on the way out!
 
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Alex_Wil said:
also thinking about it the torque limit is raised to 500 and mine inst making anywhere near that! CONFUSED.COM does not even explain what i should do next!? haha

Engine Decoke?
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DSG won't take 500lbs without a clutch pack rebuild,but were you talking in Nm?
 
Sorry my bad mean Nm!

VW heritage told me devil developments is only 15 mins from them and that's about 30 from my partners so could pop down there?

VW heritage also do revo dsg software but would be around 300 ? - problem being with any software change is once its on i cant just go back to AMD's if the results are the same with Revo....
 
Also worth noting Nick from AMD took it for a drive and said it doesn't feel like its lost power at all !? and his car is 360bhp and told me it still kicks him back!?

Its one big head F**K
 
This sums up my feeling towards my Audi at the moment...... :mad::confused::3sadwalk:o_O:think::no::uhm::nunu::banghead::fatigue::weight lift2::whip::wtf::bye::gun2::sos:

I hope that helps you understand haha
 
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Alex_Wil said:
This sums up my feeling towards my Audi at the moment...... :mad::confused::3sadwalk:o_O:think::no::uhm::nunu::banghead::fatigue::weight lift2::whip::wtf::bye::gun2::sos:

I hope that helps you understand haha
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I love the car,still,after all this time,and I love the way it goes,but.....

I wish everything went as planned.
 
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Alrite mate, doesn't sound good really does it, but I do agree that when I went out in yours it did go well but I can't say it has the pull mine has don't know if that's because it's manual or not. Lucky-bob the silver s3 is at stage 2 and his is dsg and he got 350bhp out of his so it's defo gota be something like the software or sumfing. You could do this which I just thought of tho.

Ask Amd to take it back to stock, got to an APR or revo dealer and get a trial version (it's free) it last for a week or something and see what happens. If still the same go back to amd and have the map put back on.
 
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Ask Amd to take it back to stock, got to an APR or revo dealer and get a trial version (it's free) it last for a week or something and see what happens. If still the same go back to amd and have the map put back on.
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AMDTuning are APR dealers,and have previously been Revo dealers(as run on my car).
 
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Its hard to tell with dsg and Manual because you can feel the gear change in manual so can feel more of a shift were i find were as dsg seems smooth all the way through , but unfortunately hard to tell by being in one car so could be wrong :( unfortunately dynos give the results - but not for me haha

Changing software just to see if that makes a difference has crossed my mind but AMD said it would be not different as everything is logging fine?

This is the dilemma?
 
Also forgot to add Ben @ AMD called me back earlier and said when i'm next up that way to bring it in and they will disconnect the haldex so its running 2 wheel drive to see if that makes a difference ?
 
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Hi Guys

Sorry to post on here, but i've been reading with interest. If you need to remap with Revo, I have arranged a group deal discount with them up in Cambridge and Preston. if there is any interest please pm me.

Hope you work out your problem Alex
 
Hi mate, are you on dyno at the same time?

If so let us know your results would be good to see whats what with all the difference software ect.
 
Cheers cav1 still deciding what I do next ! Have a pretty firm idea but will let people know once I'm 100 percent lol. Spent the whole evening researching on what it could be and no joy ! Tested the clutch to see for any slip as instructed by s3Alex and that's fine .. car still absolutely shifts with no hesitation or loss of power and dsg software working fine ... car boosting when it should be .... gear changes instant.... I even gave it a little talk to ask she was feeling okay but she didn't reply ;) haha
 
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Alex_Wil said:
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This is run when I just got stage 2+ done
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Hi Alex,

Looking at the graphs,and the comment re:very hot dyno room,I think those curves look OK.

The high ambient temps will pull power and torque down,and may even have caused the ECU to pull back a bit,but certainly as intake temps go up,power and torque go down significantly.


Hope that helps.
 
Could a big loss of power and torque be a result of the inter cooler of CAI or would this show up as a fault?
 
Alex_Wil said:
Could a big loss of power and torque be a result of the inter cooler of CAI or would this show up as a fault?
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High intake temps will lose you a lot of power.
 
Alex_Wil said:
Does that mean Faulty CAI ??
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No...if the ambient temps are high to begin with and then you do a full power run the result is losing power

On a hot day my Cosworth would be quite flat by comparison even with a big intercooler and water injection.
 
I need to put dry ice in my intercooler pipes - should cool things down a bit! lol

Small update - i'm getting the car checked by a second garage just to determine if they can find any additional issues - local to me and vw and audi specialists - they are going to run full diagnostics and smoke test for any leaks - if that shows up all OK i will then try swapping software but didn't want to commit to the amount it will cost if there is still a hardware issue , think this is best option ?
 
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Alex_Wil said:
I need to put dry ice in my intercooler pipes - should cool things down a bit! lol

Small update - i'm getting the car checked by a second garage just to determine if they can find any additional issues - local to me and vw and audi specialists - they are going to run full diagnostics and smoke test for any leaks - if that shows up all OK i will then try swapping software but didn't want to commit to the amount it will cost if there is still a hardware issue , think this is best option ?
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Good luck buddy. Sorry to hear that you have issues with your car. :(
 
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Alex are you happy with the way the car drives on the road?
The reason for the question is you can waste thousands chasing dyno figures.
Your quarter mile times were pretty respectable.
Sometimes cars don't make the figures expected and if AMD can't find anything wrong? Maybe it's just how it is.
 
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Hi Marshy,

Yes i'm happy with how it drives but it still could be down on power - driving it everyday makes it hard to notice a gradual loss. i know you can waste thousands chasing figures but you have also already spent thousands for those figures - i would never of questioned if something was wrong if the figures were near enough the same when i got work done for stage 2+ but considering temperatures were a lot cooler on the rolling road day compared to last time they came up very low - the car then went back in yesterday and the figures were still consistent with 330 - 340 bhp and 300 lbs torque , i also compare this to everyone else who went on the dyno who all came up with figures they expected ... it does make you wonder something is wrong,

Quarter mile was 13.1 - i don't know much about good figures on that so cant comment on that?

No harm in getting a second opinion for peace of mind
 
Yeah a second opinion is always good.
I was just saying before the dyno day you were happy with its performance.
When I had APR on my Cupra R same engine same stock power, quoted figures were 310 bhp at stage 1.
Now I remember more than one car only made 285bhp! Nothing wrong with the cars and from APR nothing wrong with the software.
At the time it was said different cars respond differently to tuning. that's the reason I'd think twice about changing software and spending more money.
 
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Hi Marshy,

Yes i'm happy with how it drives but it still could be down on power - driving it everyday makes it hard to notice a gradual loss. i know you can waste thousands chasing figures but you have also already spent thousands for those figures - i would never of questioned if something was wrong if the figures were near enough the same when i got work done for stage 2+ but considering temperatures were a lot cooler on the rolling road day compared to last time they came up very low - the car then went back in yesterday and the figures were still consistent with 330 - 340 bhp and 300 lbs torque , i also compare this to everyone else who went on the dyno who all came up with figures they expected ... it does make you wonder something is wrong,

Quarter mile was 13.1 - i don't know much about good figures on that so cant comment on that?

No harm in getting a second opinion for peace of mind
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Alex_Wil said:
Hi Marshy,

Yes i'm happy with how it drives but it still could be down on power - driving it everyday makes it hard to notice a gradual loss. i know you can waste thousands chasing figures but you have also already spent thousands for those figures - i would never of questioned if something was wrong if the figures were near enough the same when i got work done for stage 2+ but considering temperatures were a lot cooler on the rolling road day compared to last time they came up very low - the car then went back in yesterday and the figures were still consistent with 330 - 340 bhp and 300 lbs torque , i also compare this to everyone else who went on the dyno who all came up with figures they expected ... it does make you wonder something is wrong,

Quarter mile was 13.1 - i don't know much about good figures on that so cant comment on that?

No harm in getting a second opinion for peace of mind
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The figures are not good enough for a stage 2+ car, if you were just stage 2 then yes but low torque indicates there is something not doing its job properly.

Here is my graph done at AMD when I was only stage 2 and had fuelling problems


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Yeah i was happy ! i wish it never went on then id never know haha - it still is rapid and lot quicker than when i first had it and Nick @ AMD said the power didn't feel like it wasn't there for stage 2+ .

I agree there is no point changing software- a lot of money for potentially the same figures! so hardware check before i make any decision on what to do next !

Think ill do the following:

2nd opinion ( diagnostics and smoke test)
Use a different Dyno
Haldex disconnected if no change
Software change

That's pretty much all i can do ?

Still higher than mine and mine showed no faults or problems RedDejavu!

:banghead:
 
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I've been told for full diagnostics on the car they will charge me £80 and for the smoke test £50 so for full check £130 and they will do all of the above.
 
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