F1 season 2014

45bvtc · Sep 8, 2014

jojo said:
Nice to meet you John, tried to catch you later on, but couldn't find you, RS3 looking very tidy indeed!

RESPECT! Another day/meet will come...

jojo · Sep 11, 2014

Hmmm... FIA have banned radio communication relating to the performance of the driver and car with immediate effect!

Wave good bye to a quicker Rosberg now, Hamilton is going to destroy him with pure speed!

Shrek5 · Sep 11, 2014

jojo said:
Hmmm... FIA have banned radio communication relating to the performance of the driver and car with immediate effect!

Wave good bye to a quicker Rosberg now, Hamilton is going to destroy him with pure speed!

I do think Hamilton is the naturally faster driver, but I'm sure I've heard information being fed to Hamilton regarding where Rosberg is quicker too. IMHO They'll just code it with something like 'Hoagys G5 Setting 2', leaving us nonethewiser but still getting the message across to the driver.

There was less team radio chatter aired at Monza, hopefully that isn't the start of an FIA/FOM trend in reducing it. Even when they are being whiners it's an interesting insight IMHO.

Shrek5 · Sep 11, 2014

Looks like Sniff Petrol had the same idea as me, although much better put!

http://sniffpetrol.com/2014/09/11/f1-teams-react-to-fia-radio-ruling/

45bvtc · Sep 11, 2014

Posted earlier in this self same thread (July 28th 2014)

"BAN radio communication; the result would have been oh so different...

BAN radio communication NOW, I say: F1 cannot have it both ways; it's either a team sport or a driver sport, and this last race again proved that it's neither.

GET back to pit boards ONLY!

BAN radio communication - NOW!"

And, it would seem, it has! Yipee...

PS: RS3 in for its 3rd service today and home with a brand new A6 diesel...

Ghost · Sep 11, 2014

This is where F1/FIA shot themselves in the foot…again!

It's such a gray area that you’d be thinking some teams are doing it and not getting penalize, when “your team” gets penalize all the time!

Tbh.. I just don’t know what that rule covers
“teams have been banned from giving advice aimed at improving drivers performance”

45bvtc · Sep 11, 2014

OK, moving on: those 2-Mercedes boys have had a 75 to 100bhp advantage over ALL others during 2014; even other Mercedes engine supplied users have not enjoyed this advantage due to the lack of configuration data passed forward in 2013, fact! We now need the 'freeze' on engine/configuration modification lifted for all, Mercedes included, and this may happen in 2015, maybe...

There are some who may believe the 2-Mercedes boys are achieving all by driving skill alone, but that just ain't so: I could argue all day on the relative speeds of the 2-Mercedes drivers at Monza through practice, qualifying, and race (NOT a lot); but it's that engine installation/configuration package that's allowing the 2-Mercedes drivers to 'stay' in front of other similarly skilled drivers...

75 to 100bhp advantage on that engine installation/configuration package...

Really! I wonder who proposed the freezing of the engine installation/configuration package for 2014, and maybe beyond, although even Toto is now intimating that he would agree to lift the freeze.

An F1 race is about so much more than a 200-mile race on Sunday...

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jojo · Sep 11, 2014

45bvtc said:
OK, moving on: those 2-Mercedes boys have had a 75 to 100bhp advantage over ALL others during 2014; even other Mercedes engine supplied users have not enjoyed this advantage due to the lack of configuration data passed forward in 2013, fact! We now need the 'freeze' on engine/configuration modification lifted for all, Mercedes included, and this may happen in 2015, maybe...

There are some who may believe the 2-Mercedes boys are achieving all by driving skill alone, but that just ain't so: I could argue all day on the relative speeds of the 2-Mercedes drivers at Monza through practice, qualifying, and race (NOT a lot); but it's that engine installation/configuration package that's allowing the 2-Mercedes drivers to 'stay' in front of other similarly skilled drivers...

75 to 100bhp advantage on that engine installation/configuration package...

Really! I wonder who proposed the freezing of the engine installation/configuration package for 2014, and maybe beyond, although even Toto is now intimating that he would agree to lift the freeze.

An F1 race is about so much more than a 200-mile race on Sunday...

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I think the Mercs have a better aero package than other Mercedes powered teams, the Williams is the quicker machine in a straight line! We know the Redbulls have the aero aswell, they can keep up with the Mercs through the twisty bits!

45bvtc · Sep 11, 2014

jojo said:
I think the Mercs have a better aero package than other Mercedes powered teams, the Williams is the quicker machine in a straight line! We know the Redbulls have the aero aswell, they can keep up with the Mercs through the twisty bits!

We could sit and discuss that one jojo as I for one would dispute that; Monza was a power circuit and is why the 2 x Mercedes were clear of the followers. Singapore is NOT a power circuit per se and should therefore provide more of a challenge for the Mercedes duo; Bottas and Ricciardo should be able to apply pressure...

Shrek5 · Sep 12, 2014

I think it's fairly clear that Mercedes have the better overall package including Aero and power. I suspect that at Singapore the Red Bull will be closer due to Newey's traditional focus on Aero/mechanical performance rather than outright power. That I said I still don't see anything other than a Mercedes 1/2 in qualifying and, probably, the race. Williams seem to be getting there sh*t together so they could be ones to watch, although again Ricciardo could be there to pick up any pieces.

IMHO it's interesting to see how well Ricciardo and Alonso are dominating their team mates. Alonso has been a known good driver for a while and has always done well extracting the best from an underperforming car and this has been put into stark contrast this year vs. Kimi. Likewise Ricciardo seems to be managing the same feat in the Red Bull and, IMHO, is putting Vettel in the shade.

jojo · Sep 12, 2014

Shrek5 said:
IMHO it's interesting to see how well Ricciardo and Alonso are dominating their team mates. Alonso has been a known good driver for a while and has always done well extracting the best from an underperforming car and this has been put into stark contrast this year vs. Kimi. Likewise Ricciardo seems to be managing the same feat in the Red Bull and, IMHO, is putting Vettel in the shade.

Yeah, bit of an eye opener isn't it? Vettel, quadruple World Champion, Riccairdo just pops along and trounces him! Kimi, not exactly a slow driver is he? But Alonso showing him up aswell.
I think it's fair to say that the current hybrid F1 cars just doesn't suit their driving style, but they are F1 driver's getting paid £millions to drive these cars, they should be able to adapt! :racer:

Shrek5 · Sep 12, 2014

I think to some extent it is as Webber said during the coverage (on Sky) at Monza, to some extent Ricciardo has no expectations of how the car will/should drive and being less used to F1 cars of the 'old' sort is just getting on and adapting. Vettel I suspect, to some extent, is almost trying to drive it like his Championship winning cars and is finding it difficult to adapt.

But as you say they are being paid big bucks and should be able to adapt. IMHO if Vettel doesn't soon, or continues to get beaten by Ricciardo, it may cast a bit of a shadow over his titles...

45bvtc · Sep 12, 2014

I'm just amazed at how s mall the time gap is between the 1st and 10th on any grid this year, and then 1st to last, it's amazingly small. However slow the last one is he's a lot faster than I'd ever be, so well done to each and everyone of 'em.

Can't wait for a (near?) mute Singapore

I'd like to see zero electronic manipulation from the pits also...

desertstorm · Sep 12, 2014

I think this no communication thing is going to be hard to police fully.As there are many times the pits may want to convey information to the driver to help with safety. If the pits tell a driver there has been a large crash on the course in front of him, will the driver be penalised if he chooses to come in the pits because there is liable to be a safety car some may argue that will improve his performance.
Should the pits tell a driver the vibration he has on his car is excessive and he should pit for tyres as his suspension is liable to fail.
Or do you just let him continue till he crashes.
Here is a new prototype exhaust system designed by the FIA to try and make the cars louder so the drivers will be unable to hear the radio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matra#mediaviewer/File:Matra_MS11_(3).jpg

45bvtc · Sep 13, 2014

We NEED to differentiate between the Constructor's World Championship and the Driver's World Championship.

The Constructor's World Championship is where the money is for the TEAM (someone needs to tell Lewis...) while the Driver's World Championship is just the fairy on the top of the Christmas tree, and he/Lewis should already knows this.

The Constructors World Championship is the be all and end all, end of: it's where the money IS!

Without the Constructor's world Championship the need for a driver would be Zilch; will someone please tell Lewis...

Alex C · Sep 14, 2014

45bvtc said:
We could sit and discuss that one jojo as I for one would dispute that; Monza was a power circuit and is why the 2 x Mercedes were clear of the followers. Singapore is NOT a power circuit per se and should therefore provide more of a challenge for the Mercedes duo; Bottas and Ricciardo should be able to apply pressure...

I am pretty sure that I have seen on more than one occasion that it is the Williams that are faster than the Mercs through the speed traps which would precludes Botas' increased performance in Singapore?

Alex C · Sep 14, 2014

desertstorm said:
I think this no communication thing is going to be hard to police fully.As there are many times the pits may want to convey information to the driver to help with safety. If the pits tell a driver there has been a large crash on the course in front of him, will the driver be penalised if he chooses to come in the pits because there is liable to be a safety car some may argue that will improve his performance.
Should the pits tell a driver the vibration he has on his car is excessive and he should pit for tyres as his suspension is liable to fail.
Or do you just let him continue till he crashes.
Here is a new prototype exhaust system designed by the FIA to try and make the cars louder so the drivers will be unable to hear the radio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matra#mediaviewer/File:Matra_MS11_(3).jpg

?? There isn't a no coms policy being introduced. You are still allowed to advise drives regarding safety issues. You are not allowed to tell a driver where they are losing time on corners, which line to enter a corner or what gear to take, or where the braking point is. But as for 'there is a wreck in front of you just around the corner; be careful' then of course they are allowed to give that information

Alex C · Sep 14, 2014

45bvtc said:
Without the Constructor's world Championship the need for a driver would be Zilch; will someone please tell Lewis...

really don't understand what you're getting at here. I think Lewis and Rosberg and every other driver on the grid fully understand that for the team the money is in the Constructer championship. But, at the end of the day the drivers want the drivers championship, yes?

The contracts that the drivers and teams sign is a mutual contract - the teams chase the drivers that they think will give them the best chance to win the Constructers whilst the drivers go for the teams that will give them the best car to win the Drivers. Either way; without one you don't get the other

Ghost · Sep 14, 2014

Alex C said:
?? There isn't a no coms policy being introduced. You are still allowed to advise drives regarding safety issues. You are not allowed to tell a driver where they are losing time on corners, which line to enter a corner or what gear to take, or where the braking point is. But as for 'there is a wreck in front of you just around the corner; be careful' then of course they are allowed to give that information

Like I said in post #286 @Alex C ,I think its going to be gray area in what they can and cannot say?

I can see it’s clear like you say, “not telling the driver where he is quick or slow”, but there’s much more info the team can give the driver to improve driver performance, and I can understand what @desertstorm is saying, its not just about telling the drive about safety that there’s been a crash, but aiding them to jump a teammate by pitting and coming back out behind the safety car.
Like at Monaco where Lewis couldn't believe his team didn’t call him in.

45bvtc · Sep 17, 2014

I'm all for this:

jojo · Sep 17, 2014

45bvtc said:
I'm all for this:

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Does that mean we will see the Mercs use their 'forbidden' power setting then?

desertstorm · Sep 17, 2014

Looks like all the F1 cars are going to gain some more instrumentation, Voltmeter for the battery state and a fuel gauge just so they know if they are going to run out. This should just about do it.And would be a quick fix. Might need to tweak the voltage gauge a little 0-300 might do it.

When the drivers are asking the pits a question they might be hearing a lot of " I refuse to answer that on the grounds of article 20.1" or
"I refuse to answer that on the grounds of article 8.5.2"

I think Kimi will be happier he is not a fan of the pits bothering him.

jojo · Sep 17, 2014

Gotta love Kimi!

Shrek5 · Sep 17, 2014

I'm not sure it will make that much difference TBH. I'd be as happy to keep it in and broadcast more of it.

jojo · Sep 18, 2014

Quite looking for to the next race already! Apart from the fact that my man Lewis is fighting for the championship, and the Mercedes dominating most races, this has been an awesome F1 season which will go down in history as a classic, instead of the one sided Vettel show we had in the last 4 years! :racer:

Artimus · Sep 20, 2014

Wow! 1 & 2 separated by 12inches ...amazing.

Can't wait to see what, if any, the radio chatter ban makes in the race.

Playing a round of Golf at lunchtime tomorrow, so I'll have to avoid hearing the result until I get home.

joinerman · Sep 20, 2014

Trouble with golf is it spoils a good walk. lol

jojo · Sep 21, 2014

As it's most likely a boring race, I thought I'd log on to say HA!

jojo · Sep 21, 2014

Oh what a shame!

Shrek5 · Sep 21, 2014

Lol @jojo, although it's (potentially!) good for Hamilton it's a shame for Rosberg, and I reckon Hamilton would have taken more pleasure from a fair fight...

desertstorm · Sep 21, 2014

Turning into a tyre battle now, who can look after the tyres and get them to the end.

jojo · Sep 21, 2014

Shrek5 said:
Lol @jojo, although it's (potentially!) good for Hamilton it's a shame for Rosberg, and I reckon Hamilton would have taken more pleasure from a fair fight...

Ummmm NO. I think he'd be happy to take maximum points as Nico gets nada! But he will still tell the press it's a shame Nico isn't up there, and they didn't manage a Merc one two! Lewis is da BOSS!

desertstorm · Sep 21, 2014

jojo said:
Ummmm NO. I think he'd be happy to take maximum points as Nico gets nada! But he will still tell the press it's a shame Nico isn't up there, and they didn't manage a Merc one two! Lewis is da BOSS!

Your a mind reader thats what he has just said.

lee_fr200 · Sep 21, 2014

Gutting for JB the mclaren letting him down as usual, I hope to god if he's there next season they do a better job with the car

jojo · Sep 21, 2014

desertstorm said:
Your a mind reader thats what he has just said.

He's got one of those autoscroll scripts in front of him!

Shrek5 · Sep 21, 2014

jojo said:
Ummmm NO. I think he'd be happy to take maximum points as Nico gets nada! But he will still tell the press it's a shame Nico isn't up there, and they didn't manage a Merc one two! Lewis is da BOSS!

Yeah who am I kidding, he'll be loving it! About time some bad luck went the other way.

jojo · Sep 22, 2014

So after the Singapore GP, the results has made this into a 5GP championship! OK, Lewis has a few points advantage, but it's as next to starting on equal terms for both sides of the garage. May the best man win! :racer:

desertstorm · Sep 22, 2014

I don't think it's equal as Lewis has proved barring car issues he is the quickest driver. This gives him the psychological edge and the fact that he has come from behind to now lead will put more of the pressure on Rosberg which I think will mean he is more likely to make a mistake.
Rosberg showed at Monza that he will crack under pressure as he out braked himself and let Hamilton through.

jojo · Sep 22, 2014

desertstorm said:
I don't think it's equal as Lewis has proved barring car issues he is the quickest driver. This gives him the psychological edge and the fact that he has come from behind to now lead will put more of the pressure on Rosberg which I think will mean he is more likely to make a mistake.
Rosberg showed at Monza that he will crack under pressure as he out braked himself and let Hamilton through.

I'm not talking about ability Karl, barring reliability issues, they are as pretty much on par for the driver's Championship from the next race onwards, unless they are fighting it out for 6th/7th/8th etc. This is the part of the season where it all counts now, and obviously, I'd like to see Lewis win, but if Nico somehow manages to pull out some hidden ability we've not seen and win the Championship, I think we can say hats off to him!

Ghost · Sep 22, 2014

I always think of this scene when a driver comes into the pits from 1st , and comes back out behind another car with only a few laps to go…

Specially if its Lewis

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