S3 Remapping Options

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I am currently running a stage 2 bluefin map with a full miltek turbo back non res exhaust and a revo intake. My next purchase is going to be a hpfp.

Now I don't plan on going any further with the hardware, perhaps an intercooler but bigger turbos etc don't really internet me as the cars my daily.

I hear a lot of people bad mouthing bluefin, but I don't really see any evidence to back up this. I'm considering moving away from their map and it appears I have 2 options, revo, apr etc or live mapping. I know people are going to be bias about what they are running but ideally I'm looking for facts rather opinions. Which is best?

I can't really get my head around handing over circa £750 for a generic engine and gearbox map. Yes I'm aware they are tried and tested but how can these manafactuers justify the cost? Surely every car is slightly different and in my opinion a live map would be more beneficial as it's to 'your' car rather than someone else's with the same sort of mods. Live mapping to me, seems better value for money, although I am far from an expert, saying that I can see through claims of unrealistic gains and sparkly advertising.

I'm just wanting the best for my money and a reliable and fast car.. (Aren't we all!?)

Any feedback would be appreciated.
 
Hi.

Let me say first that for live custom mapping,you need someone like Rick from Unicorn.

For more readily available remaps,you've got a wide choice,from the Bluefin map you've mentioned,through others from Revo,Shark,and APR plus others.

I don't think that any one is better than the others,but there are different options,such as switchable maps,or user adjustable mapping which may suit one or other user.

All of the major ones are reliable,offer roughly the same power and torque(as this is ultimately limited by the stock turbo),and my own experiences,plus those of friends would bear that out.

Ignore the hype,as it's just that,and choose a recommended tuner that's local to you.
Make sure they look over the car first,and put it on their RR before loading any software,and then repeat the process after,including a road test,before it's handed back.

That's what has always been done for me,and whilst I use Revo software,the others will do just as well up to Stg2+
 
He only really reason I was considering moving away from bluefin was the likes of apr and revo quote much higher figures. In your opinion is this actually the case?

I can't seem to find any bluefin stage 3 rolling road figures, although having spoken to bluefin they do maintain their maps aren't as 'aggressive' as their oppositions.

Realistically if the figures are the same, I'll stick with my bluefin and have my gearbox mapped.
 
Although not local to me I reckon I'll be using these guys http://www.r-techpower.co.uk. I ended up having a long chat with Nige at BCS Powervalve and Niki at r tech was top of his list when it came to independent mappers and he was of the same opinion as you that the generic maps are over priced. Cheers
 
Talk to John @ DNA tuning. Am sure he will be able to help! Very decent guy
 
Personal opinion....

I'd never get a car tuned again unless its on a rolling road... ;)
 
S3_Jacko said:
Personal opinion....

I'd never get a car tuned again unless its on a rolling road... ;)
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A rolling road really isn't the best place to map a car, the underbonnet temperatures quickly get to very high levels especially on high powered cars, You need some serious fans to get the same amount of cooling air as a car at 60-70mph. A dyno just measures the power / torque generated by the engine at full throttle.
98% of most peoples driving isn't at full throttle so you may have driveability issues that won't really show up on the dyno.
If the person mapping the car knows what they are doing then logging a car live on the road I think is the best way of tuning it.
Modern cars have so many sensors these days you have a vast amount of information to tell you whats going on.
My car was mapped live on the road by Rick at Unicorn, and I am very happy with it.
At the end of the day if it's been on a dyno you will have half an idea of how much power / torque it's making. But that is always a bit of a guess as some tuners dynos will give you bigger numbers than others.
Karl.
 
http://www.mrctuning.com/ get my vote. Leave the Superchips file on and you will get a before and after dyno report, so you will be able to see the difference. I'm taking it you have DSG? Get their DSG map as it unlocks the potential of the car - they added another 45Nm of torque to my car (already running 520Nm on a previous run before the gearbox map) - this is without adding any hardware. Plus, they can offer flexible launch control in any gearbox mode, D,S or M without having to press any buttons.
 
S3_Jacko said:
Personal opinion....

I'd never get a car tuned again unless its on a rolling road... ;)
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I think that's true,but only as part of the whole.

It needs to be logged under normal conditions on the road as well.

Mine for instance has often worked far better on the real road,being logged,than on the RR instead.
 
I've said it before on another thread, but don't travel 500 miles or something daft to get your car mapped. If something goes wrong a few days/weeks/months later, you'll have to make the long trip all over again.
 
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leeds2592 said:
I've said it before on another thread, but don't travel 500 miles or something daft to get your car mapped. If something goes wrong a few days/weeks/months later, you'll have to make the long trip all over again.
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That's really good advice.

Usually,there's a good tuner within relatively easy reach,and most of us here can recommend someone from Lands End to John O'Groats.

Local = easy when anything happens.
 
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We have a state of the art Dyno in terms of accuracy, repeatability, load control etc. The bigger power the car, the less ideal the dyno becomes for mapping it. For really powerful stuff we use Bruntingthorpe. The boost control is usually the biggest issue as the dynamics are completely different on the road than dyno. A recent example was a large turbo'd 1.8T with a turbo that has inherent surge problems in the quest for response. On the dyno all was good, but at high speed on the road, there was quite a lot of surge which needed the map altering. Rest of the map was perfect having said that.

Rick
 
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RustyBucket said:
Local = easy when anything happens.

Love this.....not 'if' but 'when' :)
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All cars break down at some stage.

What you want is someone who knows what they're doing,local to you.
 
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