Icarus' Audi A5 Bi-Xenon and DRL retrofit to B6 headlight....

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I have decided to try out a little project I've been thinking about for a few months. I have been looking to build myself some headlights using a pair of replacement clusters and fitting some DRLs to them in some way.

I have considered buying some "switchback" strips to act as both DRL and indicator strip. These negate the need for the indicator power drop as they turn the complete white LEDs off and turn on the amber ones in their place.

Something else I have considered fitting is Bi-Xenon modules to the full beam reflector giving me quad dipped beam and double full beam, and even thought about fitting all 4 units with Bi-Xenon projectors for total overkill. You can get these retrofit units from loads of places and screw into the reflector of normal dipped beam headlights.

I did however want the headlights to still conform to the normal function of a newer headlight, with the normal electronic height adjustment, and the DRLs to behave correctly with regard to the power output changes in different modes.

After doing some research I think I have got the hang of what the DRLs do in different states.

First they come on at full brightness when the ignition is live and running.
Secondly, when the headlights are fired up they drop to 30% power.
Thirdly, if the headlights are off the DRLs power down to 30% whilst the indicators are active so better visibility of the turn lamp is given.

At the moment I have got a wiring kit from ebay that will simulate the power change for the headlights on and turns them on with the ignition. I need to work out how to drive the indicator power drop. I have some ideas, but I'll work that out later.


After pondering and trawling ebay for suitable candidates I came across two auctions. One was for a full, but scratched, A5 facelift N/S cluster. The other was a set of the internal components from a O/S unit. Neither were particularity expensive (£95 in total for both) so off I went waving my Paypal account about.

Here is the full unit:



Got the parts delivered and had a quick size up:





Although the pictures look like the DRL is wider, its just the perspective and they are about the same width as the lens.

Generally speaking the shape and size of the DRL unit, including the profile of the front curve, were all pretty spot on although I might have to shave a small amount off the outer edges.


Projector-wise the existing dipped beam unit sits further toward the centre of the car than the A5 one so I will have to make some adjustments to the mounting arrangement. The B6 indicator will be coming out to be replaced with the standard A5 one that sits the other end nearer the grille. This should also make room for the 3" projector to sit between where the indicator and projector used to be.

The projector lenses are bigger in the A5, where the A4 ones were only 2.5". The reflectors themselves are the same size however, and the lens is further away.

Also I'm going to have to get a pair of D3S ballasts and 1 bulb/ignition unit. Either that or convert to D2 or D4 bulbs if space is tight and I can then move the ignition unit away from the back of the bulb.





The full beam solenoid:



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Striping down the A5 headlight.

The headlamp unit is sealed in a similar way to the one from the B6. Tongue and groove with sealant keeps the moisture out.

The A5 headlight also has some sprung clips around the unit along the top and bottom joins.

My intention was not to head/bake the cluster, and by damaging the plastic on the outer corner was able to get some plastic pry tools inside. Working my way around the join I slowly levered it apart:





This was the only section I had to damage, making the hole big enough, with a couple of fingers each side I was able to pull apart the two sections.



Leaving me with it looking like this:



Removing all the internal components was pretty easy, lots of T20 Torx driver required. The only one that is not accessable is circled on the next pic. The Torx screw can be reached by removing the chrome surround for the DRLs (with lots of patience) and removing the DRL optic tube. To be honest it wasnt my aim to be able to use the A5 headlights so I scored the plastic riser that hols the DRL bracket and applied some bending force till the plastic sheared.



The DRLs are driven in 3 segments, the top strip, and each of the lower curves. There are two electronic drivers for the DRLs, one drives the lower centre inner curve and a second beefier one drives the top and outer. As with LED lights these days the heat output from them is very high, so both drivers have huge heatsinks:



And with the plastic coupler taken off:



And the big double one:





Indicator reflector:



DRL units, one without Bi-Xenon surround (I do have both though):





Now I have a pile of bits ready for the conversion. Looking to buy another set of B6 clusters. I bought some DEPO ones to smarten the front end of my high miler and I wont be too worried about splitting a second set apart.

Part of the conversion will include painting the insides of the headlight black/dark grey, but I was considering adding some red somehow to match with all my other accessories, but not in your face, just some small discreet touches.......


.......will keep updating as I go on! Enjoy!

Cheers,
Rob
 
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Hopefully you can get the idea with this crude photoshop.......:

 
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I can't see any photos at work. But I did something similar. I fitted a set of 2010 A4 BI-Xenon projectors into my A6.
Unbelievable difference!
 
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WOW this is fantastic ad ya only half way there, goin look really smart bud, nice 1
 
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This is crazy !
Lol
Good work mate looking forward to seeing it
 
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Oh yes,we see potential,think the subtle reds is going to work a treat. Good luck.
 
You will find that ds2 bulbs will fit those protectors.
 
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I was thinking it could fit better with the drls upside down?
I have done a Photoshop of them upside down but they don't look as good. Also the vertical shape is the wrong way. Unfortunately they are not flat and the bottom outside DRL segment juts forward.
You will find that ds2 bulbs will fit those protectors.
Yeah, did some digging and all the D*S bulbs and D*C bulbs will fit, just not D*R ones. The C ones are a universal fit, but the R ones are designed for a reflector not projector and have a ceramic paint band to stop part of the spread, I think.....
Oh yes,we see potential,think the subtle reds is going to work a treat. Good luck.
I'm tempted to put some metal catches either side and a fixed rubber pad around the front lens, rather than sealant, so I can get back into them should I have problems or if I want to repaint different colours, adjust things etc! Splash of colour would be good though! Cheers!
 
Surprised you didn't go for A6 DRL's as they've been done before and are a much similar shape headlight :think: best of luck though, looking forward to progress :icon_thumright:
 
Surprised you didn't go for A6 DRL's as they've been done before and are a much similar shape headlight :think: best of luck though, looking forward to progress :icon_thumright:
Tbh I'm not keen on the A6 DRLs, not different enough and I don't like the individual LED units, rather than a continuous beam like the newer ones. As far as I know no one has fitted A5 kit to a B6.

I should say something like "A6 lights.....that's too easy!!" Haha. Its going to take lots of custom brackets and fixings to get them rigged up, but that's the fun. Then comes wiring them up!

Probably a lot of cursing and swearing will occur too.....
 
These are the best kind of topics :) Thanks, this post will provide me with hours of reading.
I love doing this kind of thing, like being back trawling the pages of HIDplanet
Hope all goes to plan. Top Effort
 
Yeah defintely, mine have been running perfect since last summer. Where I think you might struggle is the placement of the projectors,as the B6 headlights aren't very deep where the indicator is,and that's kind of where you'll want your main beams to go.

You're correct with the PWM too, In day mode I run my drl drivers with a constant voltage, the pwm only comes in when the side lights are on.
 
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I did think l about this. I considered shortening the length of the projector as my understanding is the parabolic reflector sends the light out in linear beam so shortening it should be OK.....going to test the theory on an old set first though.

Also the DRL will be mounted static so will be as far forward as possible.
 
I don't know about shortening the projectors, your's look slightly different to mine so it may be possible, also yours not being a cab you may have more room to mount them. My Drls are mounted static too, with the projectors mounted on the original self leveling plate within the headlight housing.
 
DONT alter the projector!! You'll ruin the output! If they dont fit then look at getting smaller projectors.
 
DONT alter the projector!! You'll ruin the output! If they dont fit then look at getting smaller projectors.

Noted. Thanks for the advice. This would be my last option if I have to adjust them.....I see the logic though.

When I bought my DEPO replacement headlights the light output quadrupled compared to the OEM stonechipped originals, far more than I expected. The OE ones are reknowned for being very poor for light output, but the DEPO ones are fantastic! Worst case senario I'll use the new projectors from the DEPO headlights that I will already be using as the chassis to build the DRL onto.

I'm sure, having compared them, that the locating pins etc between the reflector array and the lense mount are nearly the same, so I can steal the A5's bi-xenon solenoid and plate and fit to the B6 projector.
 
Well, I've ordered some more DEPO B6 front headlights so I'll be able to start building the headlights themselves. First job will to be removing the lenses neatly and with minimal damage....should be fun. I have a stockpile of suitable plastics and metal sheets/frames for making the DRL rig.

Have looked into the PWM drivers for the DRLs and think I have the measure of them now.

Bought a couple of small circuits to try out so will see if that'll do the job. One at 13kHz and the other that will do 100-400kHz. Both have variable duty cycles so in theory both should work for the 2 differing states.......

Once thats proven I'll swap the variable potentiometer on the board with a pair of fixed resistors, one for each state and flip between them with a transistor relay or something. That should give me the 'dipped DRL' as I've started to call it. Then I just need an interupt/delay circuit for the indicators to operate and hold when the DRLs are in full mode to give me the lag time. But only in certain states, which makes it more complicated again!

I might also add a large capacitor in parallel with the output so that the change in brightness graduates rather than switches immediately and is a softer changeover. Although thinking about it that may not work with a PWM circuit because of the fundamental way that the LED is driven (it would end up acting as a surpressor for the signal we are intentionally creating. Logically a capacitor across the switching-mode resistors may be more promising.

I am going to have to look at some kind of heat exchanger or mount the larger of the two DRL LED module outside the headlight to deal with the generated heat. The double LED OE ones are mounted so that they are on the outside of the headlamp, but the single LED one is inside. I think if I replicate this I should be ok. On taking the A5 headlight apart I did find there were a couple of pressure vents with baffels to stop water/moisture egress so may have to do the same.
 
starting to get complicated...
But still following ya, keep up the good work. Its amazing how much you have to think about. I bet it just keeps going around and around ya brain! The more you think about the more complex the project becomes......
 
Yes its something like that, what I thought would be a challenging project has become a tad more difficult. Its not impossible and I have a background in electronics so with some planning and hard work I'm sure I can get it to work!
 
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Ah ha!
 
Just had a read through this and it is very interesting indeed, i love the newer A5's headlight design. I currently work as a design engineer at a conventional lighting manufacturers based in Manchester, we deal allot with LEDs and i have been looking into starting a similar project myself just not had the money & time to do it lately.
Do you have any updated info on your progress with this?
 
has this project got any further yet?
looks to be amazing when finished

Hi, not really.....life has been too busy to be honest.

However I have all the bits to build the lights and some electronics to drive it all. All the internal plastics have been stripped down and sanded ready to be painted. So one last push and I can get them done.

I think I will try out a simpler set of quad projector lights first then build the A5 DRL ones with the lights that are currently on the car afterwards.
 
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I'm definitely subscribing to this project. We all want to see how you progress.
 
Would the A5 headlights fit with their original housings with some bodywork/bracket/wiring alterations rather than playing around with the headlights? Has anyone tried it on B6 Cab?
 
Looks a bit odd to me, although maybe that's just because I'm used to seeing the regular shaped lights on cabs.
 
Just a photoshop I did to see how it looks. I agree, it looks odd but at the same time looks cool. Different.
 
Right, after a long time not making any headlights, life getting in the way, I've been ordering various components to make some progress.

I've bought some valeo D2S projector units as the A5 ones are too long for the headlight housings. They are the same as the ones out of an S4 (B5 xenons). I've bought some D2S HID bulbs and HID cables to fit to my existing ballasts.

I'm planning to use the top long A5 DRL and not the lower two as it is impractical to fit all of it in. The aftermarket DRL bars I bought have both amber and white LEDs so can use them as indicator bars. Alternatively I have some amber 'angeleye' LED circles. My plan is to mount them pointing backwards, mounted onto the back of the screw-in projector units, that will go into the full beam reflector.....are you still following me?

The light from the amber ring should then shine out on the full beam reflector. If I go one step further, the larger LED rings are white, mounted in the same place, with a switch-back circuit, it will be on as a DRL, then neatly turn off when indicating for the amber flashes. I have some 70mm DRL lamps (circular shaped) to mount within the outer indicator location.

All of the chrome plastics are painted Audi quartz grey, which is the same as the grill surrounds and the outer plastic trims will be matt black.

I was tempted to fit some white LEDs into the screw in projectors (full beam ones or maybe both, like old dim-dip headlights) somehow so that the projector glows from inside, but in fact the proper full beam light will be from a traditional halogen bulb (night breaker or similar).

I've got some DRL drivers to do the correct dimming so have kind of cheated with that step but I want them to be reliable.

My wife and I have another child due in May so I really want to get them done asap!! Will keep you updated with plenty of pics.

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Nice write up,cant wait to see end result...i swopped the halogen projector for a bi-xenon projector.brilliant results...next ill be getting some proper ballasts.
 
Following this one, I like the look of your first crude shop (not the white cabbie). Built a pair of these myself, from scratch, but those are just straight lines. Using OE manufactured DRL strips came to mind, but they were too expensive for my wallet back in the days.

I used S4 bi-xenon headlights as donors, which will fit the A4/A5 3" lens without issues (I've swapped the A5 H7 lens for a new retrofit bi-xenon though).

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They dim when using the indicators by fading outwards, so only a small segment remains lit:

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I'm using 64 SMD5730-sized LEDs per headlight, arranged in groups of 4. Each group is separately PWM dimmable.

All in all, I am quite happy with the result, although I do keep looking at OE spec DRL strips to retrofit, as this still has a tendency to look a bit off in real life.
 
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Right, after faffing about for about a year I have finally made some progress.

I booked 2 days off from work purely to focus on headlight building......

Here is my work so far:

To start I took the main gimbal mount chassis that the dipped and full beam headlights sit in. I fitted a set of OEM (although from a Nissan Primera but identical to B5/B6/B7 ones) Valeo D2S projector units where the halogen one were.



Next I set about adapting the full beam reflector to allow me to fit the aftermarket 'bi-halogen' projectors. As I wasn't intending to run two dipped beam pairs of headlights (although I did consider it) I stripped off the electronic solenoid and shutter so it would be in permanent full beam pattern.









Projector unit reassembled ready for the COB LED angel eye rings to be epoxy'd on the back. I bought a 70mm amber pair and a 60mm white pair. As they are staggered sizes they sat nicely on the back side of the projector's refector.





And with the painted shroud for it fitted:





Next was to assemble the complete gimbal chassis:









I obviously couldn't resist a test of the LED rings....I'm very happy with this! The light is nicely visible from an angle so should be MOT friendly. They will also be added to by a DRL strip but more on that later.....:







 
Next I looked at the indicator housings. I had bought some circular quad LED DRL units. My intention was mount them directly into the housing but the fitment wasn't quite right. You will see from the photos that I ended up dissembling the units to do a bit of 'adjustment'. This worked quite well as I used the original indicator reflectors, chopped the backs out of them and fitted the quad reflectors in behind. This resulted in a deep reflective tube, so only looking at the LEDs directly from the front gave any glare/beam at all.

The headlight housing also had to be modified to fit in the LED's board and some of the old unit's back. The housing was blanked off with some off-cuts to keep it watertight.













The fresnel indicator lens was removed and the E4 marked clear lens fitted.







They are a tad on the blue side of white but I'm still happy with them.



Very little glare from the side. The colour balance on the camera makes them look worse than they are though.