I've had my 170 TDI for a few weeks now and was fully aware of the oil pump issues before buying. I've read all manor of threads on the subject and just end up going round in circles. I realise the earlier 'chain driven' cars are the worst but how many of us with the brd 170 engines have or have had a problem. Mines an 08 car with 128k miles, I'm hoping I'm lucky
170 TDI BRD engine owners - have you had oil pump issues ? (poll)
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Bought my 56 plate BRD A4 with 63k on the clock in 1 years ownership i am nearly at 88k and have no problems with the oil pump so far on mine.
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Problem is with the internet its all too easy to read the storys and reports on the bad points but you never really see good storys do you, its like a company being slated for something if someones had a bad experiance etc.
How many of these 2.0 tdis are out there in various different motors and have done moon miles with no problems.
How many of these 2.0 tdis are out there in various different motors and have done moon miles with no problems.
My thoughts exactly, hence this poll/thread to try and gauge if my engine is likely to fail like some earlier versions have
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Hi all, I bought my 57 plate brd about 18 months ago,it had full audi service history ( long life servicing )
Milage had just hit 90k, I decided to do the oil pump drive as precaution after reading all the horror stories,as I am a mechanic by trade it was no problem, just a bit of time. When I removed the old hex key I was surprised at the amount of wear to the key/shaft,corners of the shaft were obviously worn and rounded over. So glad I did mine, I ordered the new shaft and key from Kmb direct,new oil and filter some instant gasket for the sump,job done.
Milage had just hit 90k, I decided to do the oil pump drive as precaution after reading all the horror stories,as I am a mechanic by trade it was no problem, just a bit of time. When I removed the old hex key I was surprised at the amount of wear to the key/shaft,corners of the shaft were obviously worn and rounded over. So glad I did mine, I ordered the new shaft and key from Kmb direct,new oil and filter some instant gasket for the sump,job done.
I think the key/shaft were about £300 ish,but I think £100 was refunded if you return your old unit,I am not 100% sure, I can check for you when I get home in a few day as I am laid by the pool in lanzarote at the moment.
07 BRD Q avant here, just past 60k and no issues so far.... As a precaution I Will be pulling the sump off for a look at 70-80k when I get the timing belt done again.
170 BRD Quattro with 92000 on it only had it a few months no issues yet but really thinking about getting this done a a precaution,where is the best place to get the kit for it and does any body know of a reputable place near elgin in scotland to get it done.
I have one in the garage that had an oil pump issue 2 years ago, owner did the balancer shaft upgrade but last week it spun the crank big ends and a con rod bearing so the engine is shagged ! The balancer shaft/oil pump strainer was full of metal particles which clogged the pump pick-up and by the time he stopped the engine with intermittent oil light- it was too late- terminal damage ! Now to fix it will cost best part of 2 grand, owner sourced a crank and bought all genuine bearings/seals and i am sure it will cost over 2.5k to fix in the end !
I don't think its lack of oil changes,its just a poor design.The remanufacturing companies have improved the design a bit and good on them because they are the only ones who have offered people a cheep solution, VW or Audi certainly haven't .
They best solution is the old oil pump as it has been tried and tested,in the old engines they would give 300,000 miles of service and I can't see why they wouldn't on the bkp,Blb,brd ect. With all brand new parts you would only be £200
They best solution is the old oil pump as it has been tried and tested,in the old engines they would give 300,000 miles of service and I can't see why they wouldn't on the bkp,Blb,brd ect. With all brand new parts you would only be £200
07 plate complete failure of gear system , converted back to the old style 1.9tdi chain style small non balancer oil pump , there is a link of my old post here 
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/diesel...g-head-gasket-also-bit-history-a4-2-0tdi.html
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/diesel...g-head-gasket-also-bit-history-a4-2-0tdi.htmlSo converting back to the 1.9 pump seems a possible way forward. Is there any noticable diiference in the way the engine runs (e.g. vibration issues) with the balancer shaft assembly removed ?
The 2.0tdi had the balance shafts introduced to produce a smooth running and refined engine.
Hence should the shaft be removed it will not run as smooth as one with the balance shaft.
The big problem is they messed with a reliable engine design ( 1.9tdi ) to produce one that is no where near as reliable.
I have not noticed any vibration issues,although I have put the timing on 0.5 which in itself does seem to stop engines shaking on tick over and probably has more effect than the balance shafts.
I'm in two minds now whether to do anything at the moment or just 'take a chance', the car has done 128k miles without problems. I presume any failures would have occurred before this ?
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I have 07 Audi A4 2.0TDi 170 with BRD engine, 115000 on the clock, balance shaft issue has come at me with a bit of a shock! I have done a fair bit of research and it would appear that this issue is going to happen to any 2.0tdi with a balance shaft fitted. Mostly the Audi A4! Audi know the issue but won't accept any liability in my case, parts alone for a geared oil pump module are £1200 from a VAG dealer. I have decided to risk it and purchase a new improved balance shaft from KMB parts at £215 + 125 returnable deposit for the old unit. I have been told that on this model engine if your lucky, this is all that will need changing. Not the whole oil pump module kit from VAG.
Its due to be worked on tomorrow and mechanic says should be able to do this in a day?! So pretty reasonable so far for a ******* of an issue!
If anyone is interested I will post results tomorrow or day after!
Its due to be worked on tomorrow and mechanic says should be able to do this in a day?! So pretty reasonable so far for a ******* of an issue!
If anyone is interested I will post results tomorrow or day after!
KMB supplied the bits for my BLB you won't have any regrets they were top notch, took me 16hrs to complete the work though did the brakes and EGR delete at the same time.
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I think the parts from KMB would be no issue at all if you do this prior to it rounding off! Mine went whilst wife was out in the car, kept driving for a good 1km until car conked out, I'm just hoping that hasn't completely blown any chance of recovery?! Only one more sleepless night to go!
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i got my Audi with 78,000 on the clock. Was reading the articles about the curse of the pump drive shaft, i asked around a little more. Decided for peace of mind it was worth doing.
Had it changed and looking at what was removed i deffinately made the right choice, there was very clear evidence of severe wear on the key and the slot which it fitted. The mechanic said he would of given it another 5-10,000 miles if that before it failed. but there is no definitive way to really know.
my car has a full service history and is looked after so it was not through neglect. if neglected i hate to imagine.
there is no right or wrong answer, you just need to do what you feel happy with. But peace of mind is a buetifull thing. i will also just say that the replacement modified part i fitted was more substantial than the factory part. For someone to come up with making a moded component which is very speciffic leads me to say there must of been a demand for the component to be designed and manufactured
Had it changed and looking at what was removed i deffinately made the right choice, there was very clear evidence of severe wear on the key and the slot which it fitted. The mechanic said he would of given it another 5-10,000 miles if that before it failed. but there is no definitive way to really know.
my car has a full service history and is looked after so it was not through neglect. if neglected i hate to imagine.
there is no right or wrong answer, you just need to do what you feel happy with. But peace of mind is a buetifull thing. i will also just say that the replacement modified part i fitted was more substantial than the factory part. For someone to come up with making a moded component which is very speciffic leads me to say there must of been a demand for the component to be designed and manufactured
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I purchased my A4 B7 170TDI with 105'000 on the clock, after 2 weeks ownership I drove up to Sheffield and had KMB services supply their replacement parts to their approved fitter and within 5 hours the job had been complete for £595 all in parts included
Peace of mind is key
Peace of mind is key
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So I can thankfully report that it worked and no further damage occurred. Been really lucky! Cost all including cam belt kit, improved balance shaft £680! Result as far as I'm concerned!
My Audi A4 2.0Tdi Quattro 2007 BRD had the oil pump shaft modified by specialist about 3 years ago, so I thought it would be all right.
The key shaft is still fine, but unfortunately, the oil pump itself failed and damaged the engine last week...
I changed the oil every 6 months (with expensive long life ones), but it didn't work very well.... My car has only done 78K.
I used cheaper oil (but correct grade) from Tesco/Asda to top up between oil changes. Maybe this is a part of reason for oil pump failure or you may need to change the oil pump at some point regardless after so many years anyway!?
The key shaft is still fine, but unfortunately, the oil pump itself failed and damaged the engine last week...
I changed the oil every 6 months (with expensive long life ones), but it didn't work very well.... My car has only done 78K.
I used cheaper oil (but correct grade) from Tesco/Asda to top up between oil changes. Maybe this is a part of reason for oil pump failure or you may need to change the oil pump at some point regardless after so many years anyway!?
If it’s the actual oil pump, at low milage since replacement, you are super unfortunate. Likely a poor quality pump fitted I guess.
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Yes, it seems to be the actual pump itself. I took the car to the same specialist. They don't know why the pump died. The turbo is also gone... They will charge me around £1,500-2,000 to repair all. It blew my saving for holiday, too...
Have junked my balance shaft unit and pump at 106K the key wasn't bad wear wise but there was a lot of play between the oil pump and key. Now got an ALH set up.
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I got the car back today - crankshaft and bearing repaired and turbo replaced with refurbished one. I just drove in busy traffic back home after picking the car up, so couldn't really checked how the car drove. But I can feel the engine responded quicker and smoother (maybe because of new turbo and new oil). It cost me £1,700 in total...
Mine went yesterday at just shy of 130,000 miles. Got it to the local Seat dealer, who are doing the labour for £224 - the replacement balance shaft is on its way from KMB....
Sorry to hear that.... I hope your engine and turbo are still ok. Without the damage, it would have costed me £600+VAT with modified balance shaft and new oil pump.
But unfortunately, in my case, drive shaft, bearing and turbo were all damaged. They polished (?) shaft and bearing. I managed to get a refurb turbo around £250. They gave a full service and many parts removed were replaced to new ones, so it was not cheap but reasonable for what they did, I believe... I haven't driven the car since picking it up, so will try the car on M25/M23 later today as I need to go to Gatwick to visit my friends.
But unfortunately, in my case, drive shaft, bearing and turbo were all damaged. They polished (?) shaft and bearing. I managed to get a refurb turbo around £250. They gave a full service and many parts removed were replaced to new ones, so it was not cheap but reasonable for what they did, I believe... I haven't driven the car since picking it up, so will try the car on M25/M23 later today as I need to go to Gatwick to visit my friends.
