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I REALLY hope they release the RS3 with a manual gear box :yes:
 
I REALLY hope they release the RS3 with a manual gear box :yes:

NO! chance...:racer:

You'll be lucky to get any car with a manual gearbox in 10-years time...
 
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I REALLY hope they release the RS3 with a manual gear box :yes:

+1, but come on Snake, you know us old skool purists can't be trusted to stir our own cogs!

I'm with Snake on this, but can't see it happening. The S-Tronic system is OK, but the way it's set up means I all to often switch it to S mode as I can't really abide the gearchanges in trolling about mode. I'm about to have my gearbox mapped to see if I can learn to love it a bit more. That said, if someone would remove the auto stop start system as a compromise....
 
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I expect they said much the same thing, when they replaced starting handles with electric starts :p

<ducks>
 
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We can but hope eh !

It will NOT happen and for ONE reason: EMISSIONS and EU Legislation - and that IS one and the same reason.

ADD to that the costs of manufacturing lower volume manual gearboxes it will become cost prohibitive against the manufacture of the now more desirable DSG gearbox.

Enjoy the manual gearbox while you can - or get over it now and go DSG; it's so much better...
 
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I expect they said much the same thing, when they replaced starting handles with electric starts :p

<ducks>

Yeah yeah :jester:, but no one ever lost / broke their arm changing gear!!!!

Maybe we can get to the point where we all sit in the back and read a newspaper with a pair of electric bellows piping mountain valley air into our rigamortis ridden corpses ; oh this is where all the automation is taking us! Anything that requires a bit of effort on occasions works for me.
 


or get over it now and go DSG; it's so much better...

The amount of people who've said that to me over the last 5 years, and now I own one it just not. It's a more economical and far smoother way of cracking the nut. It changes gear SO much better than I do, but I just don't like it that much. I've heard every argument in the book, considered it from every angle, but to me it feels just a tad soulless and at times a bit dim witted and clumsy in it's gear choices. Revo assure me their map will improve things, and I've added an 034 Motorsport gearbox mount to try and make the most of this. We've got a few forum members in the Scandic countries and they said it would be next to useless to them and they really don't look forward to when manual goes. I know it has to, I know it's the future, but I'll be just a shade sorry when it does.
 
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AND you can still change a DSG gearbox manually with either paddles or stick - what's the problem... :shrug:

C'mon guys, this is the 70th time I've passed a 27th of June and I'm 100% OK with the DSG gearbox in both my RS3 and TT, I'm able to use the DSG in ALL 4-modes...:drag:
 
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That may be so, but it's not fun to everyone. What I find a bit bizarre is that the DSG advocates are always in disbelief that someone prefers manual. There's a lot to love about an honest well set up short shift gearbox. It's like you think we're missing something. We're not, we just know what we like! I'll take many forms of technology and absorb it happily into my life, my home is tech central. But DSG I could take or leave! (And I'm really pleased for those who love it that they like it).
 
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DSG OK for some, perhaps OK for many but not for me. That's my choice and I would not buy another car with an automatic (DSG) box.

I've noticed in recent motoring tests that there does seem to be a bit of a move back to manual boxes. Evo, Car and Top Gear magazine plus others all making comment. But that's their choice too.

I do notice more topics about DSG issues on all forums but very few about the manual box. I'm not sure what the sales split is, more manuals I suppose due to the cost.
 
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I forgot to say I think its an astonishing piece of engineering, and I do smile when you get the farty gear changes when you're gunning it, and around town it's so nice to leave it to its own devices. Likewise it achieves better MPG than I could in manual mode.
 
That may be so, but it's not fun to everyone. What I find a bit bizarre is that the DSG advocates are always in disbelief that someone prefers manual. There's a lot to love about an honest well set up short shift gearbox. It's like you think we're missing something. We're not, we just know what we like! I'll take many forms of technology and absorb it happily into my life, my home is tech central. But DSG I could take or leave! (And I'm really pleased for those who love it that they like it).

Totally agree, manual is better. DSG is ok but can easily be confused being on and off power.
I got an S3 with manual because it's better drive for me. DSG just adds to the robotic isolation of cars these days
 
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DSG is still a relatively new technology in terms of its adoption in to the wider car market 10 years I think. The manual has been around for a good percentage of the motor cars existence.

The manual you can't really take it any further. Just think where DSG will be in 5 and 10 years. Those Germans are a clever bunch - DSG will evolve and probably in time will convince even the most die hard manual fans it's a good thing........
 
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DSG is still a relatively new technology in terms of its adoption in to the wider car market 10 years I think. The manual has been around for a good percentage of the motor cars existence.

The manual you can't really take it any further. Just think where DSG will be in 5 and 10 years. Those Germans are a clever bunch - DSG will evolve and probably in time will convince even the most die hard manual fans it's a good thing........

Unless something else comes out that outdates even DSG boxes (though the cost for these and the relative reliability will always be prohibitive for many)
Electric cars are the future probably hydrogen cell powered.

Look at lights over the last few years, from Halogen to Xenon and now LED. But now we hear that laser lighting is set for production.
 
Unless something else comes out that outdates even DSG boxes (though the cost for these and the relative reliability will always be prohibitive for many)
Electric cars are the future probably hydrogen cell powered.

Look at lights over the last few years, from Halogen to Xenon and now LED. But now we hear that laser lighting is set for production.

Agree. We just know where technology is going. Interestingly VAG are going down the route of having the electric motor being directly coupled to the DSG so it sounds like it will be around for a little longer!
 
O drove 16 speed
It will NOT happen and for ONE reason: EMISSIONS and EU Legislation - and that IS one and the same reason.

ADD to that the costs of manufacturing lower volume manual gearboxes it will become cost prohibitive against the manufacture of the now more desirable DSG gearbox.

Enjoy the manual gearbox while you can - or get over it now and go DSG; it's so much better...

Been testing heavy trucks for over 30 years and the best I drove was a 18 speed constant mesh roadranger (no syncro's) Also drove 16 speed full auto's which were as boring as hell but suited the unskilled drivers of today !! Manual or Auto ?? No contest a driver wants manual ! A numpty wants auto !!!
 
O drove 16 speed

Been testing heavy trucks for over 30 years and the best I drove was a 18 speed constant mesh roadranger (no syncro's) Also drove 16 speed full auto's which were as boring as hell but suited the unskilled drivers of today !! Manual or Auto ?? No contest a driver wants manual ! A numpty wants auto !!!

Wow - think you just called 70% odd of the 8V forum members a numpty! :box:
 
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Manual gearboxes and petrol engine have one thing in common; neither will exist in any form of mass production... eventually.

It will probably take another 10 years for this to happen; but it will definitely happen.
 
A numpty wants auto !!!

A numpty who has enough intelligence to choose not to labour his left (right for Johnny Foreigner) arm with a repetitive manual task, and instead outsource the job to someone, strike that - something, who is faster, more reliable and more efficient and achieving the same (or arguably better) end result.

You test drive lorries and prefer manuals gearboxes. I manage people and I drive an auto.
 
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A numpty who has enough intelligence to choose not to labour his left (right for Johnny Foreigner) arm with a repetitive manual task, and instead outsource the job to someone, strike that - something, who is faster, more reliable and more efficient and achieving the same (or arguably better) end result.

That repetitive manual task is actually very enjoyable, and gives you a sense of control and being part of the car. By your own logic you should just hire a chauffeur to drive you everywhere, then you wouldnt have to do anything!

You test drive lorries and prefer manuals gearboxes. I manage people and I drive an auto.

Could you clarify what you mean by this please?
 
Simple answer is to have 2 cars one Manual and a DSG one problem solved .

While i enjoy the non involvement of a DSG in everyday driving , i do miss the connection of a manual gearbox , luckily i am a fortunate position to have the luxury of having 2 cars fulfilling my needs .
 
Test driving lorries isn't exactly rocket science is it ...another DSG driver here BTW.
 
who is faster, more reliable

I don't think anyone can say that dsg is more reliable than an audi manual!
Have you seen how many issues people have had with dsg? Costing thousands to repair/replace
 
I have to chime in and say nothing will ever compare to a proper manual gearbox, no matter what technology comes out. To alot of people, me included, it's not just about 0-100 or quarter mile. It's the engagement of the drive. And I'm sorry, but a DSG has zero engagement. Clicking a couple of paddles up and down is not engaging.

Sure, you can beat me off the line. Means the cop will pull you over first for going faster.

The smile I get from a third pedal is second to none, rowing through the gears yourself, and proper heal-toeing.

That said, I've gone DSG this time as I wanted to give it a shot, but I'm going back to manual on my next ride for as long as I can.

And my two cents....the RS3 will not come in manual unfortunately.
 
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I love how these threads develop! Gearbox technology has become the new petrol vs diesel. What I find really interesting is how uncompromising the view of the DSG owners is, whereas the manual advocates see (in the main) some benefits of DSG but just don't want or particularly like it. I'm a DSG owner, yet people still don't want to accept I prefer manual! Just think if women thought the same thing about battery powered toys then we'd all be redundant too!!!! I think why some people love it so much is that it makes them look very much better drivers than they actually might be in a manual.

The RS3 will be DSG, and without an option of manual (in the same way the S5 I've just bought was a DSG only option, thanks Audi), I just hope and pray they retain the 5 cylinder engine as the 4 cylinder lumps just don't have the acoustic character of the I5. If it's a really good car I may be able to overlook the DSG as it's a part time annoyance rather than a full time one.

The one thing I would say in favour of the 8V model, the platform is much stiffer than the 8P and from my experiences rides a lot better across a range of road surfaces. I found the S3 (8V vs 8P) grip levels to be a good step forward as the car felt less skittish, and the new tech in the Haldex / electronics meant the cars performance didn't feel so blighted when you exceeded the grip level (it seemed to sort things out with less savage intervention). The cabin is a big step forward quality wise, and the toys on offer are class leading.

I won't be as blunt as to say anyone who won't the change up is lacking somehow, but if you like to be at the cutting edge of the hot hatch world then it will be a sound place to invest your cash. I'm intrigued to see what they deliver, and hope that whatever comes keeps the Golf R400 firmly in mind (or at least has a hot option to up spec to similar power).
 
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Until my left leg drops off or there is no manual box option I will never choose dsg. There is that uncompromising enough for a manual gearbox owner? ;-)
 
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Test driving lorries isn't exactly rocket science is it ...another DSG driver here BTW.

I think you will find feller that your average heavy truck is as advanced from a technology point of view to your run of the mill Audi.

EDC Common Rail has been in trucks for the last 14 years ! When did Audi introduce Common Rail ?? Electronic Engines, transmissions, suspension, brakes and CAN technology is really old hat to us truck people, and COD well I saw my first COD diesel way back in around 1995.
 
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Totally agree. Been driving manual gearboxes for 25 years (occasionally the odd auto too but not my cars). But I wanted to give DSG a shot for a variety of reasons - have to say its a regret but at least I can argue I've given it a shot.

As Warren says it does make the car slightly more economical. It does make town driving more relaxing in the main. And it is quicker off the line (subconsciously I think I placed some emphasis on these figures over a manual). The huge 'but' is that for me it lacks the driver involvement of a manual, that satisfaction of picking the perfect overtaking opportunity or that perfect corner and smoothly dropping down a cog or two. It's maybe me but I just don't feel I have the same level of control over the car either. It all feels too simplified and mechanical for want of a better word.

I've tried it, I have it but I won't go back (unless the option of manual doesn't exist on the next car). A lot of the time I accept DSG is more practical and easier. But when I really want to 'drive' the car - and realistically that's why I have an S3 - it just doesn't do it for me. If you really want DSG get it. A test drive will initially wow you. And if you love it in comparison to a manual then fantastic. Horses for courses I guess. But, depending on how you want to drive the car, my advice is if you're unsure save the money and use the saving to further spec the vehicle.
 
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Gearbox aside for a moment, what would be the point of a 5 cylinder engine if they're not going to use the extra bore to slap the smirk off the face of the A45 AMG?

Would they really limit it to 360bhp?
 
Play with that left-leg jig and left-arm flail as long as you can 'cos the change to DSG is already here and more are seeing the benefit by the day... OK, maybe that doesn't include YOU! However...

 
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Nice balanced view from a DSG owner! Never been a 'what I've got is best' kind of person so you'll have to excuse my bemusement on this one chap!
 
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