Michelin Pilot Super Sports or Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 - Thoughts?

After going through a set of P Rosso's, P Nero's and 2 sets of Michelin PS3s during my ownership, I can say I have not experienced grip like I have done with the MPSS.

Yes I do have a mere S3 8l - only around 260bhp - but grip/cornering noise and the way they handle beats all the tyres I have had previously. Friend of mine has them on his 725bhp GTR and he said they haven't missed a beat for him and he has tracked his motor with them on and was showing up the other GTRs running Bridgestones.

I went out for a play the other night and I was amazed at how well they stuck my car to the road. There are no magical powers- Michelin have just made an amazing tyre.

Alex- I notice you said the MPSS's are the second best..... out of curiosity; what is the best tyre in your opinion that comes with a full on 8mm tread?
 
Hi kwistof.

For me so far,the best dry weather tyre has to be the R888.

Getting it hot enough to get the best from it has been a bit if a trial but the grip is amazing.

Pretty good on a damp road but a bit scary in full on wet conditions.
 
Oli. said:
You seem to be the only one who has not thought the conti's are rubbish, that I've heard from. Mind you I've always had a disliking for them, from previous cars experience. I hope you see a difference, which I'm sure you will. And I've always loved GY's, I even put them on my kombi!
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I've always been content to stand alone Oli, true to my own values and experience.

However, back to tyres: it's the use of Michelin tyres on fast/quick road type vehicles at Le Mans that does it for me, plus my Continentals are maybe half worn: and SAFETY, both with tyres and brakes (how many upgrades have we now had for the RS3? And the Audi units are still not good!), are always at the forefront for me and mine.
 
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Agreed John,

I can sell the continentals with 5mm of tread and get something for them and offset against the cost of the Michelins.

Rather than wait until they are at 3mm in which case no-one will buy them......
 
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S3Alex said:
Hi kwistof.

For me so far,the best dry weather tyre has to be the R888.
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Yeah I thought I grasped that from your post Alex.

The R888s are full on track tyres though - so 5mm tread when new IIRC? (could be mistaken)
If so then realistically the MPSS with 8mm tread new are the best out there for the average fast road and combined occasional track use, as you don't need to warm them up and they come with the same tread as normal run of the mill tyres. Plus you don't have to check the weather forecast! lol

Would love to go down the full on track tyre route and experience them as these MPSS are superb, but 8mm tyres for me will do until I find a set of cheap lightweight alloys that will fit over my brake upgrade (once they're on).
 
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Well they've just been delivered !

Front 255's are 4813 and rear 235's are 1514 so they are pretty fresh i'd say

One thing i will say they feel quite 'sticky' to touch, thats just an initial observation from handling them off the delivery drivers van.

Hopefully get them on the car later this afternoon..
 
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kwistof said:
Yeah I thought I grasped that from your post Alex.

The R888s are full on track tyres though - so 5mm tread when new IIRC? (could be mistaken)
If so then realistically the MPSS with 8mm tread new are the best out there for the average fast road and combined occasional track use, as you don't need to warm them up and they come with the same tread as normal run of the mill tyres. Plus you don't have to check the weather forecast! lol

Would love to go down the full on track tyre route and experience them as these MPSS are superb, but 8mm tyres for me will do until I find a set of cheap lightweight alloys that will fit over my brake upgrade (once they're on).
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I think that like most of their kind,the R888s are marketed as road legal trackday tyres and so on,and to be honest I couldn't tell you what the new tread depth was,but as I say,I think the best all-round everyday tyres I've ever had are the MPSS tyres,and I did go the whole hog with rims and suspension.

kW Clubsports with adjustable topmounts,and Team Dynamics 1.2 18"x9 rims,so I've at last got access to a decent choice of trackday and premium everyday tyres to use.
 
Veneeringman said:
Well they've just been delivered !

Front 255's are 4913 and rear 235's are 1314 so they are pretty fresh i'd say

One thing i will say they feel quite 'sticky' to touch, thats just an initial observation from handling them off the delivery drivers van.

Hopefully get them on the car later this afternoon..
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Wait until you've given them a good thrashing(!) and then repeat that test....really sticky after a decent beating.....also compare the heat across the trread width and from back to front as well,if you want to see how temps can vary.
 
Veneeringman said:
Agreed John,

I can sell the continentals with 5mm of tread and get something for them and offset against the cost of the Michelins.

Rather than wait until they are at 3mm in which case no-one will buy them......
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That's what I did with my rears, got approx £130 off fleabag for them, but my fronts were totally shot at approx 8k miles, bearing in mind, it's my wife's car, used for shopping trip and school runs mainly - The RS certainly has a hunger for front tyres with its FWD biased haldex.

I can't comment on the MPSS, as I've never go used them, but comparing the continentals with the goodyears, on the RS3, the ride is smoother, more compliant on the Gy's, and it certainly has a lesser tendency to under steer with a sharper turn in, although obviously it still under steers when pushed hard, and seems to resist front wheelspin more (however I was comparing shot tyres to brand new ones). My wife even commented on how much smoother the car was when I changed the tyres, and I hadn't even told her!

When I drive the RS its either ferrying the kids about, or more likely a quick blast cross country, 1 or 2 up. I run the factory pressures.
 
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Veneeringman said:
Well they've just been delivered !

Front 255's are 4913 and rear 235's are 1314 so they are pretty fresh i'd say

One thing i will say they feel quite 'sticky' to touch, thats just an initial observation from handling them off the delivery drivers van.

Hopefully get them on the car later this afternoon..
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Looking forward to hearing your feedback on them.
 
Just been fitted, let the testing begin.....

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Got my correct tyres back the right way round after a Coulsdon Audi funk up. Been running 235 rear and 225 front (i.e. totally back to front) for two weeks and it has been really weird. Now got 235 MPSS back on the fronts and 225 Conti back on the rear and the difference is amazing! Looking forward to running MPSS all round in a few months...
 
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For me, the Contis may not have had a lot less grip, but they provided a lot less confidence. There is a fast 90 bend which I drive most days and the Contis complained bitterly at 30 and seemed to run wide. The F1s go round with total grip and no noise at all.

That extra confidence transformed the car for me, taking it from 'have I made a mistake' to 'wow'.
 
45bvtc said:
OK, BLUEY's going Michelin Pilot Super Sports (MPSS), too.

I know, I know... :whistle2:

New stock, according to my tyre-man-in-the-van is that NEW stock is due here in the UK on 2nd May so; my existing ContiSportContact 5Ps will be for sale.

For anyone interested the 225/35s (original rears) have 7.3mm tread depth (8mm NEW), the 235/35s (original fronts) have 6.0mm tread depth, and the 255/30s (optional fronts) have 7.6mm tread depth.

When available I'll post on eBay and list in the Sticky: "NOTICE Post your RS3 eBay, Classifieds and For Sale links in here" above.

Note: BLUEY's only done 7000-miles, and 3000 of that has been on winter wheels and tyres...
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Good choice John, look forward to your review and feedback mate :icon_thumright:
 
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Been out in the RS3 today, obviously as I do some proper miles I'll get more idea but 1st impressions yes there is something different about the car now, to be honest it was great before even with Conti's on (which I know some people hate with a passion) but now it seems even better than before, the Michelins seem to have more grip, I'll have a better idea tomorrow as we are off out for the day so will find some nice twisty roads.

One thing I did notice, the Road noise from the tyres is more noticeable, no big deal.

Also the front 255 rim protection doesn't protrude past the alloy as much as the Conti's, however having gone for 235 on the rear will hopefully protect the alloy.

Couple these with the EBC Redstuff pads and the RS3 really is the complete driving machine.:kissmyrings:
 
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I think you'll be very pleased once you get used to them.

Every tyre feels different for a bit,until you get used to the characteristics,and the strong/weak areas,but I'm seriously impressed by these tyres,and whilst they will begin to slide sooner than something like the R888s on a dry road,you would have to be trying to get them to lose grip.

I didn't really notice the road noise,but that's probably after swapping to these from the Toyo's before winter,and now back again,as those things really do make some noise.....quite a loud humming sound.
 
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It's the cat by-pass pipes or these Sean:

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Cat bypass pipes next John.
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Veneeringman said:
Cat bypass pipes next John.
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Planning on putting on the MPSS when car is in for service. Could be tempted to get the cat bypass pipes at the same time - where is the best place to purchase and how much roughly to fit?

Thanks in advance gents.
 
elton121272 said:
Could be tempted to get the cat bypass pipes at the same time - where is the best place to purchase and how much roughly to fit?

Thanks in advance gents.
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Go see the thread "Scorpion Cat Bypass pipes finally fitted" posted 1st June 2013; lots of information there...:yum:
 
One thing i have noticed since having the Michelins on, the fronts always look like they are low on pressure.

Had to check them again yesterday as they looked low but they were fine.

strange.......
 
Scorpion pipes arrived on Friday from AmD :sm4:

Car booked in for today and dropped off at 9.30am for 2nd service; 4 x MPSS, all on 235's; and the icing on the cake was to have the decat pipes fitted.

Phone call at 4pm, she is all ready. Collection at 5pm followed by quick inspection and brief from technician and all sounds good..if not very good. Prices were as quoted, very respectable and extremely competitive - overall saving of £500 if given to stealers!

Service inspection was given a full clean bill of health and no need for new number plates, wipers or anything else the stealers can hoodwink you for.

First impressions had to be only a slight tone of change to the exhaust note in 'D' and in non sport mode. Put the boot done and she does sound slightly more throaty and magnified but equally very respectable and unnoticed unless you are slightly agressive of the right foot. (Perfect for with clients and colleagues who I tell is just a 1.6)

Pop her into 'S' on the box and her tone again is slightly more pronounced but again nothing too insane or cringe worthy. (Perfect for clients and colleagues who say this is quite nippy for a 1.6 and I say yeah I've had a wee tweak or two done under the bonnet)

Next I thought about putting her in 'D' and then sport mode but then thought what the hell am I doing - f@ck it, it's now 'S' in sport mode. Fresh at the lights I put the boot down and whey hey hey! She just now sounds like she's packed a few steroid injections and floor her and the tone is proper, throaty, RS belching power.....maybe raspy and a bit jap sounding too?!? Who knows, but I love it....and so will the neighbours. (Perfect for clients and colleagues who advance from above as petrol heads and you then ask them what colour their underwear is and then whoosh!)

Seriously though, as many have said already this really is the best upgrade for me so far. I remember putting a non resonated (the loud one) milltek on my s3 with a REVO map and loved her, but I'd say this is better as the RS3 offers both stealth and bomber modes!

Tyres haven't really been tested but the change on rubber treads does look cool and sort of 'slick like' - but I will reserve judgement on these until I've been able to test. To be fair I wouldn't have noticed noise ride or anything as I say the smiles from having the windows down for my 15 miles tonight was just too much of a distraction. Already planning to leave 10mins early tomorrow to take the tunnel route to work!

Anyway thanks again to all on this forum as without our shared experiences and some serious expertise and knowledge, you have helped another fellow brother enjoy a truer RS experience and keep the four rings at the top of their game!
 
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Anyway thanks again to all on this forum as without our shared experiences and some serious expertise and knowledge, you have helped another fellow brother enjoy a truer RS experience and keep the four rings at the top of their game!
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I agree with everything you've said Darren :hi:: a) the secondary cat bypass pipes provide a superb noise and give a certain freedom to the engine that's difficult to describe but you just know it feels better, b) 235s all round are an improvement, and 3) Michelin Pilot Super Sports certainly have something over the Continentals, just not sure what as yet - and I'm running 255/30 fronts and 235/35 rears. I'll be trying 235s front and rear soon, just to evaluate.

BUT I implore you to try the EBC REDSTUFF brake pads front and rear.

If it's one single improvement you want to make to this fabulous motorcar then these, for me, have provided the greatest change; the initial cold/low speed bite, high speed braking, unbelievable pedal feel, low dust, zero squeal... :thumbsup:

A GOB smacking change for £170!
 
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45bvtc said:
I agree with everything you've said Darren :hi:: a) the secondary cat bypass pipes provide a superb noise and give a certain freedom to the engine that's difficult to describe but you just know it feels better, b) 235s all round are an improvement, and 3) Michelin Pilot Super Sports certainly have something over the Continentals, just not sure what as yet - and I'm running 255/30 fronts and 235/35 rears. I'll be trying 235s front and rear soon, just to evaluate.

BUT I implore you to try the EBC REDSTUFF brake pads front and rear.


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does the secondary cat bypass (and a new rebox) affect the warranty?


i will definitely get the redstuff when my pads need changing, txs for all the work on these
 
Dave Hedgehog said:
does the secondary cat bypass (and a new rebox) affect the warranty?


i will definitely get the redstuff when my pads need changing, txs for all the work on these
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1) NO! Only Type Approval, but I've said this so many times before...

2) REDSTUFF, DO NOT wait... And if you've ANY doubt of what I've just said: DO NOT WAIT!

This RS3 is so QUICK it doesn't need a re-map for road use. :racer: I LOVE the car...

What it does NEED, however, are 'good' brakes: and if you don't believe that then have 20-minutes with one of the manic Germans performing at the Audi Experience day at Silverstone :jump: : AND I still can't get over what these guys showed/did... :applaus:

For the last 2-years and more I've been BANGING the drum on these RS3/TTRS brakes: been through the 47i6 upgrade and all that ****: stood toe-to-to with Martin Sander (ex MD of Audi UK), tsk, and got nowhere!!!! It ain't the brake discs! It ain't the brake calipers! It IS the **** brake pads!!! Go review my posts over the past 30-months, and remember that I love this machine!

HOWEVER, recently, eventually; tired of wasting effort talking to desk-bound experts, I took matters on board and said STUFF Audi UK/GMBH, and did my OWN thing.

And man, the REDSTUFF pads ARE a MEGA improvement, and I mean MEGA!

Just ask Veneeringman, he's followed the plan and is ecstatic! Just like me!!! :thumbsup:

And with RAC insurance it's cost me £50, 'cos I told 'em I'd changed the pads; but the car's braking IS now MEGA!!!!

OK, others will say EBC YELLOWSTUFF... whatever... :notme:

Now I don't care what you do, so long as you're not trying to follow me down the twisting, winding, ducking and diving stuff; but DO NOT try to outbrake BLUEY!
 
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45bvtc said:


This RS3 is so QUICK it doesn't need a re-map for road use. :racer: I LOVE the car...
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it feels pretty slow to me, especially compared to an RS6, GTR or V10 R8, 450bhp will make it reasonably pokey

atm thou i want to keep my warranty intact

i will do the pads at some point, promise :)

really fancy releasing some more noise thou
 
Am I missing something ??

You own an RS 3 but seem to hate everything about it.........
 
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Dave Hedgehog said:
after a week in the RS6 it felt like a 1.0 polo, at MWay speeds its utterly dead in 7th so you have to kick it down a couple of cogs to get it to do anything, and there are plenty of big oil burners and top end hot hatches that can yump at its heals, a local M6 just leaves it for dead.

its nippy, not fast

this RS6 is fast

Audi RS6 Sportmile 800+ vs Lamborghini LP640 - YouTube
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Your comparing an RS3 [which is fast] with cars costing double+, you've obviously not got an RS6/Lambo sized wallet/bank balance otherwise you'd be driving one and then saying thats slow.

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Veneeringman said:
Am I missing something ??

You own an RS 3 but seem to hate everything about it.........
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??

I am realistic about what it is, the performance, the solid suspension that smacks your head on the roof handle everytime you hit a 10mm bump in the road, the comical front end understeer on power etc

but i still love it to death, the best car i have ever owned by a mile, its so alive, just a flawed gem
 
DAYTONA500 said:
Your comparing an RS3 [which is fast] with cars costing double+, you've obviously not got an RS6/Lambo sized wallet/bank balance otherwise you'd be driving one and then saying thats slow.
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i could run a new RS6 if i wanted to, but i am getting miserly in my old age, although i have been looking at C63 edition 507 leases today, i need to own a V8 before they are all history...

im just not one of these tiresome fanbois that buys something and then its automatically the best thing ever


i also expect that we are going to be having a lot of S3 and R golfs glued to our back bumpers in the future with them only being down approx 20bhp but around 150kgs lighter, this bothers me a lot, and why 400bhp+ is going to be important imo to keep them in their place ;)


it also ****** me off that the RS3 should have come with 400bhp but is capped for marketing reasons ...
 
Dave Hedgehog said:
i could run a new RS6 if i wanted to, but i am getting miserly in my old age, although i have been looking at C63 edition 507 leases today, i need to own a V8 before they are all history...

im just not one of these tiresome fanbois that buys something and then its automatically the best thing ever


i also expect that we are going to be having a lot of S3 and R golfs glued to our back bumpers in the future with them only being down approx 20bhp but around 150kgs lighter, this bothers me a lot, and why 400bhp+ is going to be important imo to keep them in their place ;)


it also ****** me off that the RS3 should have come with 400bhp but is capped for marketing reasons ...
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I take part of your points, but equally if it was just pure raw power and acceleration, you could have used the RS3 to easily tick those two boxes.

but if like me you need to tick a few more boxes but still desire 'crazy' horses in the region of another 50-100, to gain potentially up to 1 sec of the current 0-60 times, you could easily spend £2kish to go simple stage one or a 0-60 in circa 3.5secs for a stage 2. Done safely with reputable specialists posses very little risk to warranty if its your ultimate desire.

As for marketing flaws in the gem.......all cars have these when you are perfectionist enthusiast like us - but like all good marketeers, with a proactive approach they are easily fixed to make her whole again!

Acceleration wise the isn't anything really between the 3, 4 and 5 other than the 3 is more nibble and feels quicker.

As for the 6, when you are in this bracket you are touching GTR and 911 territory and therefore must be feeling the need to compensate for those extra grey hairs ;-)
 
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elton121272 said:
I take part of your points, but equally if it was just pure raw power and acceleration, you could have used the RS3 to easily tick those two boxes.

but if like me you need to tick a few more boxes but still desire 'crazy' horses in the region of another 50-100, to gain potentially up to 1 sec of the current 0-60 times, you could easily spend £2kish to go simple stage one or a 0-60 in circa 3.5secs for a stage 2. Done safely with reputable specialists posses very little risk to warranty if its your ultimate desire.

As for marketing flaws in the gem.......all cars have these when you are perfectionist enthusiast like us - but like all good marketeers, with a proactive approach they are easily fixed to make her whole again!

Acceleration wise the isn't anything really between the 3, 4 and 5 other than the 3 is more nibble and feels quicker.

As for the 6, when you are in this bracket you are touching GTR and 911 territory and therefore must be feeling the need to compensate for those extra grey hairs ;-)
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I would love to get my car sorted as i know there is a real monster in there that just needs some light fettling but after my last RS3 destroyed its engine i am paranoid about loosing the warranty (i have 5 years) especially as audi now check the cars with a fine tooth combe before doing any warranty work. Before they fixed my gearbox they had the car in for 2 days so that a mod inspector could come down and check it over ...

one of the things in the back of my mind is do i want to change it and loose 20-30k in depreciation or just "fix" it for a few k

extra grey hairs? the 3 black ones i have left have just got worried :(
 
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