SMOKED BY A POLO!?

I am the proud owner of a Audi A3 PD130, Diesels in my oppinion arn't given the credit there due, I'm about to put it into revo and they say they can produce 180bhp and most impressively 300lbs of torque. One of my freinds has the Ibiza PD130 and had his car mapped by p-torque took it for a run at york's quarter mile strip and shoked my other mates astra GSI 2l Turbo running the quarter 0.1 seconds quicker, he always tried to put diesels down now he is wanting to buy one haha. Dont get me wrong im not saying i would beat an s3 but youd be suprised at what the german muscle oil burner can do when you have a heavy right foot :p just the styling on the 8l chassis s3 is designed to perfection, beautifull in my oppinion. Have big planns for my car this year will be posting a thread soon.
 
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I did a remap on an 8P 140PD Audi A3 a few months back, when cutomer dyno'd it it made 185bhp and >300lbft

drove very well...
Latest mk6 TD170 Golf I did last week went th ebest of any I have seen yet. rev'd to 6krpm!!!! and pulled well most of the way. Remarkable. Drove very much like a petrol, just more torque everywhere. (and economy too - mumble grumble)
 
badger5 said:
remapped 130pd polo will drive away from a stock s3, and keep up pull away from a remapped one in my experience... dammit..

devils fuel.. should'nt be possible.. should'nt be allowed - lol - and they're doing 40mpg whilst doing it too..

ya boo shux

:p
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I'm sorry but I don't buy this, I know you work on and tune these cars but to state a remapped PD 130 will keep up if not beat a remapped S3 is rubbish. In gear times then the diesel will probably have the edge, but going through the gears the diesel wouldn't keep up, I've chased my mates A3tdi in my old A3 and though the diesel pulls initially very well 'on par' as the speed increases the diesel runs out of puff, now my old A3 wouldn't keep with the S3 I have now, no way...
 
1animal1 said:
dont they tail off quite quickly though? ive always had the thought that diesels were more heavily modified when turbo'd that there wouldnt be as much left for remapping.....and because they were tuned with turbos to turn the normally crappy lump into a decent runabout, then once the turbo tails off, your left with a bogged down pile of metal
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Yep, from my experience with my friends remapped diesels running 180 bhp - 300lb ft of torque. They both run out of puff very early, and their power band is very very short. After 60 - 70 they havent got much left from what ive experienced.

Great diesels but not a match for a petrol in my mind, even if they do return good mpg.
 
1animal1 said:
i think you forget the tranmission loss is from standing starts, rolling your gear will be engaged to a large degree and so shouldn't take that much effect when compared a 2wd....id say theres sumat wrong with his car, no Polo out there mapped or not would give you hassle, all apart from the 1.8T of which im unsure what turbo is hitched up....power to weight is defo against ya regardless. Regards the Vectra, theres no way anything except the 3.2 should be giving you any grief, id say you have an issue with your car.
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I think mate you need to chech the Lupo PD Tdi quattro from Profi Tunning from Bratislava:bye:, it runs a breathed up pd lump with power to mess with Ferarri's ! I will stick the link here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFy83fz7nNQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGO_TOVZFAY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlD69utdyKI&feature=related
 
leggy said:
I'm sorry but I don't buy this, I know you work on and tune these cars but to state a remapped PD 130 will keep up if not beat a remapped S3 is rubbish. In gear times then the diesel will probably have the edge, but going through the gears the diesel wouldn't keep up, I've chased my mates A3tdi in my old A3 and though the diesel pulls initially very well 'on par' as the speed increases the diesel runs out of puff, now my old A3 wouldn't keep with the S3 I have now, no way...
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haha... your just so wrong..
power to weight sir.. wall of torque in a lighter car
ibiza/fabia/polo with a simple remap will be faster than you think


I wish it was'nt so.. I really do, BUT

you are so not going to like the latest diesels either fella.. they WILL ruin your day.

makes me weap

S3's are heavy. needs stacks of power to make them feel quick.

I'm not making a case for diesels, as I am a devout petrol head, BUT to ignore them, when they really do perform so well these days is a little nieve
 
badger5 said:
I did a remap on an 8P 140PD Audi A3 a few months back, when cutomer dyno'd it it made 185bhp and >300lbft
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My previous car was A3 tdi 140 8p and once I had it remmaped it was a very impresive would pull very strongly up past 100. About 8,000 miles after remap (the car was on about 70,000) the clutch decided it wasn't man enough and gave up :crying:
 
What about the really good deiesel engines. BMW 335D for instance. Imagine those remapped!
 
My mate has got a 535d mapped boy oh boy does is goe the torque is something else. Not sure of the figures i will ask him over weekend.
 
badger5 said:
haha... your just so wrong..
power to weight sir.. wall of torque in a lighter car
ibiza/fabia/polo with a simple remap will be faster than you think


I wish it was'nt so.. I really do, BUT

you are so not going to like the latest diesels either fella.. they WILL ruin your day.
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So a Polo diesel with a simple remap would beat a remapped S3, a remapped mk 5 golf gti, a civic type R and god knows what ever else...

I'm sorry but I really do find this a little far fetch, but hey you know...

However, I'll take my chances if the opportunity ever arises...lol
 
A dopey 106 gti was giving me a good race the other day. He wound me up though, i had obvoiusly beat him. So slowed down, but he carried on and undertook me then a lil way ahead slowed down to say as if hed beaten me !. Made me bubble up inside. power to weight im running at 129bhp i worked out. so a 125bhp 106 isnt going to be far off with s3's 210 bhp being 148bhp:( it was a heap of sh*t though so...

on desiels ive advised my friend to get a tdi, think hes going for a seat leon 130. he wants a leon fr 130 but believe me they dont do one.

Badger, you have a seat ibiza, do they do a 1999 2.0l turbo.?
 
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leggy said:
So a Polo diesel with a simple remap would beat a remapped S3, a remapped mk 5 golf gti, a civic type R and god knows what ever else...

I'm sorry but I really do find this a little far fetch, but hey you know...

However, I'll take my chances if the opportunity ever arises...lol
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you WILL be surprised.. thats all..
S3's aint all that despite what owners think of them. they look nice, they are not quick cars.

remapped S3 is adequate, and a stock one is plain slow... just so heavy for only 225bhp

lightweight smaller vag cars, as i have already said, polo/fabia/ibiza mk4 all have pd130 models in their range..

mk6 TDi golf 170 remapped, drove almost like a petrol did, wide power band and huge torque, "just" from a remap. it beggars belief buts true sadly

diesels have come on a long way.

says the man who drives a v8 petrol as his daily driver. 19mpg :cry:
 
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This may have already been said but diesels have come on so much over the last few years. I mean look at the 24hr leman race's the diesels are being used now.
 
leggy said:
So a Polo diesel with a simple remap would beat a remapped S3, a remapped mk 5 golf gti, a civic type R and god knows what ever else...

I'm sorry but I really do find this a little far fetch, but hey you know...

However, I'll take my chances if the opportunity ever arises...lol
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From a standing start it will beat them but the s3 will pull away past the 60Mph as the rev range is broader ! I would also see your face after you will be smoked by a small PD engined car in a rolling drag race- from 30Mph-where it matters ! You wont believe the power to ratio and torque the mapped PD lump has ! Horsepower only came into play at really high speeds(past the 150Mph mark) when they are needed to break the wind resistance. On a day to day basis, torque wins races !
 
in relation to this diesel question, i had a play with a fabia VRS earlier when in the misus R56 cooper S...... he booted it up my lil drag strip from about 15mph for which i kept with him upto approx 40mph then his car just slowed like i expect most diesels to....i sailed past whilst smoke was emitted from his exhaust (foot to floor ;) ).... thats the PD engine in question isnt it? it would be better mapped but it did run out of puff loads quicker than i expected??? must be why Glen had Forge make him a larger FMIC up perhaps
 
leggy said:
A polo diesel with a remap will shift, probably have about 180bhp and lots of torque, still I'd expect you to be quicker, could be time for a remap yourself...

My A3 with 194 bhp was quicker than my mates A3 tdi remapped, so an S3 standard should be quicker also...diesels are quick but they haven't got the power band to follow you up above 60mph when rolling...
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youv obviously not driven an A3 Tdi, mine in fact is a bit lazy up until 50mph after that your cruising at 120 ish easily.. no remap just driven properly...
i love it when people spout what should and shouldnt happen... if you cant see whats under the hood you cant say... and alot of diesels nowadays will pan petrols hands down...
 
dstructiv said:
youv obviously not driven an A3 Tdi, mine in fact is a bit lazy up until 50mph after that your cruising at 120 ish easily.. no remap just driven properly...
i love it when people spout what should and shouldnt happen... if you cant see whats under the hood you cant say... and alot of diesels nowadays will pan petrols hands down...
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Its not a case of spouting off pal ! just speaking through personal experiences with friends cars...
 
adamss24 said:
From a standing start it will beat them but the s3 will pull away past the 60Mph as the rev range is broader ! I would also see your face after you will be smoked by a small PD engined car in a rolling drag race- from 30Mph-where it matters ! You wont believe the power to ratio and torque the mapped PD lump has ! Horsepower only came into play at really high speeds(past the 150Mph mark) when they are needed to break the wind resistance. On a day to day basis, torque wins races !
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I can see you've jumped on this band wagon but you seemed to of contradicted yourself in your post, one minute your saying the diesel would be quicker up to 60mph and then the S3 would pull away, and then your saying that rolling from 30mph 'where it matters' you'd like to see my face as the diesel pulls away...hmmmmmm

and past the 150mph mark, I'm sorry but you've completely lost me now...lol
 
Just to add a we note to what Bills saying about the MK6 Tdi being even more impressive, The new Common Rail Diesel Vag units (Mk6 golf & Facelift 8P etc) that have replaced the PD are much better to drive, they rev alot more & have a wider power band so you don't have to be swapping cogs quite as much as in the powerfull PD's, Have a go in a remapped 170 common rail with DSG & U'll be mighty impressed.

I'm yet to drive any mapped examples but the 3.0V6, 4.0 & 4.2V8 Tdi vag units are just crazy, the feeling of that much torque is somthing only an RS Audi can match. I love the 230hp/500Nm 3.0Tdi B7 A4, I've Smoked many an unsuspecting boy racer in these things (even got caught ****** speeding in one LOL).

I Know a few people who have been lucky enough to drive the 500hp/1000Nm 6.0 V12 Tdi Q7 (Audi are only letting 100 in the country) From what I'm told its a hole new driving experiance & like nothing else Audi have EVER made, If you ever see one of these just let it past & watch in envy.

Ewan
 
leggy said:
So a Polo diesel with a simple remap would beat a remapped S3, a remapped mk 5 golf gti, a civic type R and god knows what ever else...

I'm sorry but I really do find this a little far fetch, but hey you know...

However, I'll take my chances if the opportunity ever arises...lol
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If you think a diesel will run out of power at 60 to 70 then you are mistaken. My works car is a standard 2.0 2009 Golf Diesel and it pulls like you would not believe. Many a shocked powerful petrol car can bear testament. With a re-map it would simply fly.
My S3 has not got much more than the Golf at all.
 
Biggied said:
Just to add a we note to what Bills saying about the MK6 Tdi being even more impressive, The new Common Rail Diesel Vag units (Mk6 golf & Facelift 8P etc) that have replaced the PD are much better to drive, they rev alot more & have a wider power band so you don't have to be swapping cogs quite as much as in the powerfull PD's, Have a go in a remapped 170 common rail with DSG & U'll be mighty impressed.

I'm yet to drive any mapped examples but the 3.0V6, 4.0 & 4.2V8 Tdi vag units are just crazy, the feeling of that much torque is somthing only an RS Audi can match. I love the 230hp/500Nm 3.0Tdi B7 A4, I've Smoked many an unsuspecting boy racer in these things (even got caught ****** speeding in one LOL).

I Know a few people who have been lucky enough to drive the 500hp/1000Nm 6.0 V12 Tdi Q7 (Audi are only letting 100 in the country) From what I'm told its a hole new driving experiance & like nothing else Audi have EVER made, If you ever see one of these just let it past & watch in envy.

Ewan
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Now i'd love to have a go in a 6.0 V12 TDI Q7 bet the torque is on another level!!
 
chancer said:
If you think a diesel will run out of power at 60 to 70 then you are mistaken. My works car is a standard 2.0 2009 Golf Diesel and it pulls like you would not believe. Many a shocked powerful petrol car can bear testament. With a re-map it would simply fly.
My S3 has not got much more than the Golf at all.
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I haven't said a diesel would run out of power after 60-70mph, just th fact that I don't believe a remapped diesel would keep with a remapped S3 after these speeds...:keule:

I'm getting pretty bored with this whole argument, certain people have there opinions and ive got mine, there was a similar arguement on the 8p thread with blokes that have owned both remapped diesels and civic type R's, some said the civic was quicker, some said they were on par, not one post stated that the diesel was ever quicker...

I appreciate diesel cars and have thougt about one as my next car due to the torque and mpg achieved...So I'd appreciate not being patronized about how great diesel cars are, I'm not naive and I wasn't born yesterday...
 
You'd be very very surprised how quick even a mk5 tdi can be, back when I had my S3 that was revo'd, I'd quite often be shocked at how damn quick those things really could be from a start, of course top end of the mph we'd show the S3 capabilities, but they were damn nippy even against my S3 that wasnt any slouch Leggy, so a mapped tdi wouldnt surprise me whatsoever if it was a challenge to the S3, those new 140's are seriously quick, went in one unmapped & you wouldnt beleive how quick it really could be if driven right, so mapped I can only imagine mate how much nippier it can be also.

Yeah V12 6.0 Q7 may sound the nuts, but take into account weight, this is what was the big issue with the B6/7 S4 V8, I had the B6 S4 avant & S3's used to give me a hard time, cause of the weight overall, was too heavy really to put it down as such, lovely car but preferred my S3 overall.
 
NHN said:
You'd be very very surprised how quick even a mk5 tdi can be, back when I had my S3 that was revo'd, I'd quite often be shocked at how damn quick those things really could be from a start, of course top end of the mph we'd show the S3 capabilities, but they were damn nippy even against my S3 that wasnt any slouch Leggy, so a mapped tdi wouldnt surprise me whatsoever if it was a challenge to the S3, those new 140's are seriously quick, went in one unmapped & you wouldnt beleive how quick it really could be if driven right, so mapped I can only imagine mate how much nippier it can be also.

Yeah V12 6.0 Q7 may sound the nuts, but take into account weight, this is what was the big issue with the B6/7 S4 V8, I had the B6 S4 avant & S3's used to give me a hard time, cause of the weight overall, was too heavy really to put it down as such, lovely car but preferred my S3 overall.
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Yeah Nigel I appreciate what you say, I've got a few friends with various Vag tdi's and I am impressed, hence why I wouldn't mind a diesel as my next car, I know diesels have come on in leaps and bounds and obviously the new ones are even better with a wider power band, which is only going to be a good thing, i to have chased a diesel a3 in my S3 and I was suprised how well it pulled, but like i've stated several times and you've agreed also that they haven't got it top end, maybe the newer ones have but I still would be very confident if the opportunity ever arises...
 
leggy said:
I can see you've jumped on this band wagon but you seemed to of contradicted yourself in your post, one minute your saying the diesel would be quicker up to 60mph and then the S3 would pull away, and then your saying that rolling from 30mph 'where it matters' you'd like to see my face as the diesel pulls away...hmmmmmm

and past the 150mph mark, I'm sorry but you've completely lost me now...lol
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What i meant is many diesels will spin their wheels from a standing start and with the traction control interfering(unless off) wont have such a good start ! You obviously dont know diesels but i meant "in gear" they have tremendous power as you wont need to rev the nuts out of the engine to go quick as the torque is accelerating the car not the horsepower ! The thing is the PD engine has a small turbocharger to help the engine pull from 1800 rpm without much/if any lag. Thing is the small turbo is on its limits after 120Mph. If you wanna have a play with a tunned diesel-one with a GTV 20+ turbocharger-wich wont run out of puff after 100Mph and will pull all the way to 140 Mph wich means you loose most likely. Any 3.0L+ diesel will give your S3 a good run for your money if you catch it on boost ! I wish i will have a play with you on motorway with me modest tunned a4 (2.5 tdi quattro) wich only has about 220Bhp and about 500Nm of torque. There are'nt many petrol cars wich will out-accelerate a big torquey diesel in gear unless its an s4(bi-turbo) or an rs4/6 or a few beemers with 3.0L+ engines. Also, i might be a newbee on this forum but i am quite an prolific poster (not making me posts out of bulls*it) on vwaudi forum, uk.passats and tdiclub !
 
Course hell get beat. If a petrol car was tuned then i doubt the desiel would win. I was having it with a alfa romeo 159( i think) tdi, after 100mph i started to gain on him, but then if he had a bigger turbo i would of lost :rolleyes:

I just think a petrol would be more fun to drive. desiel for commuting, but what are like going around country roads and tracks etc.
 
adamss24 said:
What i meant is many diesels will spin their wheels from a standing start and with the traction control interfering(unless off) wont have such a good start ! You obviously dont know diesels but i meant "in gear" they have tremendous power as you wont need to rev the nuts out of the engine to go quick as the torque is accelerating the car not the horsepower ! The thing is the PD engine has a small turbocharger to help the engine pull from 1800 rpm without much/if any lag. Thing is the small turbo is on its limits after 120Mph. If you wanna have a play with a tunned diesel-one with a GTV 20+ turbocharger-wich wont run out of puff after 100Mph and will pull all the way to 140 Mph wich means you loose most likely. Any 3.0L+ diesel will give your S3 a good run for your money if you catch it on boost ! I wish i will have a play with you on motorway with me modest tunned a4 (2.5 tdi quattro) wich only has about 220Bhp and about 500Nm of torque. There are'nt many petrol cars wich will out-accelerate a big torquey diesel in gear unless its an s4(bi-turbo) or an rs4/6 or a few beemers with 3.0L+ engines. Also, i might be a newbee on this forum but i am quite an prolific poster (not making me posts out of bulls*it) on vwaudi forum, uk.passats and tdiclub !
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I've already stated in a previous post about the ability diesels have as 'in gear times'...anybody worth the salt knows these basic facts, the statement i made was accelerating through the gears...:banghead:

And who said anything about the 3.0tdi, i'm also fully aware of there capabilties, in standard form they would give a remapped S3 a serious problem, and thats without a remap ...that was never the argument, but as always "some" people like to twist things and blow things out of proportion on these types of forums...
 
I don't think it is twisting things out of proportion. People are just relating their experiences.
Unfortunately some people seem to feel it an affront to their dignity if anyone suggests a Diesel car (or any different car) is as quick/quicker/nearly as quick as their beloved S3.
I have an S3 but don't feel the need to get defensive when someone suggests they are not supercar power and that "normal" cars are almost as quick.
 
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