New BMW D3 BiTurbo

[PNH80]

So who was the ****, racing at the traffic lights.........

Well....In these situations you have 2 options: Either let him believe he actually has a fast car, that you're fooled by the clever de-badging trick and let him tear away from you (further massaging his ego)....Or you drop the clutch, dispose of him and leave him red faced! I think you'd all do the same! lol

 

[Oli.]

Mines got an S3 badge on so nothing to prove..........you'll know what I mean when you get your TTS

 

[Amchlolor]

Well....In these situations you have 2 options: Either let him believe he actually has a fast car, that you're fooled by the clever de-badging trick and let him tear away from you (further massaging his ego)....Or you drop the clutch, dispose of him and leave him red faced! I think you'd all do the same! lol

I'm with you on this one.
I'll always take the 'teach the **** a lesson' option too.

 

[L60N]

Nothing like dishing out a good spanking every now and then

 

[Sohrob]

every drive is a hunt looking for unsuspecting prey

 

[PNH80]

Don't get me wrong, had his beamer had twin pipes i would have gracefully let him rub my face in it.
I don't think many people see the A3 S-Line as a fast car. Even the 3.2 and 2.0T don't look like a hot hatch. Most people who get into mine are pleasantly surprised!

 

[newbiecrg]

I am not sure why on earth a 335i isn't economically viable when comparing to the price of a TT-S.... sure only a couple grand between them?

Pedro

 

[Cootie]

I am not sure why on earth a 335i isn't economically viable when comparing to the price of a TT-S.... sure only a couple grand between them?

Pedro

It's all down to whole-life cost when the lease companies determine the monthly charge.

Key factors for them are depreciation, where indications are that a 3 series will be hit more than a TT, which generally holds its value well.
Additionally, the way they calculate the cost of options counts against cars with lower standard specifications. Lease companies typically assume non-standard options depreciate to zero over the course of the lease period (e.g. if leather was specced as an extra, assuming it was £1080 over 36 months this would add £30 per month to the cost). This counts against a 335 relative to a TTS which has a more generous standard specification (i.e. leather, heated seats, xenons etc).

 

[newbiecrg]

Ok.... never leased a car so didn't know that... just basing my comments on list price...

Pedro

 

[Amchlolor]

It's all down to whole-life cost when the lease companies determine the monthly charge.

Key factors for them are depreciation, where indications are that a 3 series will be hit more than a TT

There are examples that disprove this though.
I mean, I keep getting lease offers for the new Lexus IS220D.
All very low, less than £300 a month.
Your argument suggests that their figures *must* be based on the fact that the Lexus depreciates less than a 3-series or an A4, both of which cost more per month to lease.
This clearly isn't the case.

 

[marriedblonde]

whne Clarkson dressed up to drive the M3 for the M3/C63/RS4 test I thought he was being a little over the top.

Last night stuck in traffic I look over to my left (obviously I was in the BMW lane)

Middle aged, going bald, 318i convertable. Nothing to wrong so far but...

Mirror'ed oakley sunnies, bluetooth headset, pinkshirt... No no no no. We get enough stick as it is, no need to add to the fire.

 

[PNH80]

I am not sure why on earth a 335i isn't economically viable when comparing to the price of a TT-S.... sure only a couple grand between them?

Pedro

Pedro, as cootie said.... It's the predicted depreciation on the car which makes the difference. The 335i is the thick end of £200 a month more than a TT-S which is a little eye watering!
Actually, before buying a new car it's worth getting a lease quote on it.... Good indication of how much money you'll be ******* up the wall!

whne Clarkson dressed up to drive the M3 for the M3/C63/RS4 test I thought he was being a little over the top.

Last night stuck in traffic I look over to my left (obviously I was in the BMW lane)

Middle aged, going bald, 318i convertable. Nothing to wrong so far but...

Mirror'ed oakley sunnies, bluetooth headset, pinkshirt... No no no no. We get enough stick as it is, no need to add to the fire.

Middle aged men in Z4 convertibles are my personal favourite, usually with a bird half his age in the passenger seat.
I see a guy on my way home from work most days in a 645i convertible, in gold, with 2 XXX as the reg.... Don't think i've ever seen a car which spells w*nker quite as loud. These people don't help the image at all.

 

[Cootie]

There are examples that disprove this though.
I mean, I keep getting lease offers for the new Lexus IS220D.
All very low, less than £300 a month.
Your argument suggests that their figures *must* be based on the fact that the Lexus depreciates less than a 3-series or an A4, both of which cost more per month to lease.
This clearly isn't the case.

Sorry, also forgot to include the other key factor - can they get a whacking great discount from the manufacturer

Seems unusually low on the Lexus - suspect they might have negotiated favourable terms with the manufacturer/dealers. It's entirely possible as I would guess sales may have dropped off on the IS given the new A4, C-Class and the facelifted 3-series, and they may want to boost volumes

 

[PNH80]

I don't think Lexus only build to order either so you'll have carparks full of IS220d's in various specs. Much easier for lease companies to get big discounts to unload stock.

 

[Amchlolor]

Sorry, also forgot to include the other key factor - can they get a whacking great discount from the manufacturer

Seems unusually low on the Lexus - suspect they might have negotiated favourable terms with the manufacturer/dealers. It's entirely possible as I would guess sales may have dropped off on the IS given the new A4, C-Class and the facelifted 3-series, and they may want to boost volumes

So it's possible that depreciation isn't the only factor in a 335i/D being dearer to lease than a TT-S?
It's possible the leasing company just isn't getting any discount on them?
I've always found it hard to accept that depreciation is the only factor in a 335i/335D being more expensive to lease.

 

[PNH80]

So it's possible that depreciation isn't the only factor in a 335i/D being dearer to lease than a TT-S?
It's possible the leasing company just isn't getting any discount on them?
I've always found it hard to accept that depreciation is the only factor in a 335i/335D being more expensive to lease.

I was told by the MD of a leasing company that it is largely down to depreciation on the BMW's. You only have to look at 335i's compared to S5's of the same age, they take quite a hit.

If it's not depreciation then why else would a 335i with only 2 options ticked (leather and 19's) be £75 a month more than an S5? Consider the S5 is about £4K more expensive in the 1st place, is less economical etc.

I also doubt lease companies get a worse deal on BMW's....You see enough 3 series rep mobiles about!

EDIT: £75 a month extra over 3 years is £2700 more on a car which is cheaper by £4000 anyway. Thats all the info i need!

 

[L60N]

PNH80, your tune has changed sooooooooooooooooooooOOO much since you ordered another Audi


Just an observation

 

[marriedblonde]

I was told by the MD of a leasing company that it is largely down to depreciation on the BMW's. You only have to look at 335i's compared to S5's of the same age, they take quite a hit.

If it's not depreciation then why else would a 335i with only 2 options ticked (leather and 19's) be £75 a month more than an S5? Consider the S5 is about £4K more expensive in the 1st place, is less economical etc.

I also doubt lease companies get a worse deal on BMW's....You see enough 3 series rep mobiles about!

EDIT: £75 a month extra over 3 years is £2700 more on a car which is cheaper by £4000 anyway. Thats all the info i need!

Ok I'm being picky but the price difference between an S5 and a 335i coupe M sport with leather and 19"s is just over £2K...

 

[Oli.]

There are examples that disprove this though.
I mean, I keep getting lease offers for the new Lexus IS220D.
All very low, less than £300 a month.
Your argument suggests that their figures *must* be based on the fact that the Lexus depreciates less than a 3-series or an A4, both of which cost more per month to lease.
This clearly isn't the case.

In the case of something like that, what you'll find, is the car probably isn't selling as well as it should, and the manufacturer will put extra discount in at the front end, with a guarranted residual at the end - Its all about registration numbers to the manufacturer.

I think I've said before that BMW have done this with the 730D Sport(outgoing model). Cost new £55k roughly, over two years 10k per month on a CH, ther are ONLY £500+vat or so, which is not a lot of car for the money. BMW have put extra discount and support into the system for them. To show just how fast they depreciate, you can buy a 6 month old one for just over £30k!!!! Why would anyone buy them when they are so cheap to lease??