got my s3 dyno'd today.

jamiekip said:
S3 Omar - fist of all welcome to the dragons den! :ohmy:

Just kidding, we're a good bunch really, but I notice you're pretty new to this forum, so welcome on board. :thumbsup:
There is HUGE debate about the standard output of the new S3, but several rolling roads have consistantly demonstrated high figures for standard cars, and not quite the anticipated gains for mapped cars (albeit bar Revo which produced over what was expected!).
What I would consider, in my personal view is the gain you see between standard and mapped on what ever rolling road y use. If after your stage 2, you're seeing a lift from 270bhp, to 320bhp - happy days.
On another day, on another roller that may translate to 280bhp standard and 330bhp mapped!

As has been said before - it's a rolling road lottery in terms of actuals. What the prosport day demonstrated is that the differential between standard and mapped is not as great as some would have us believe!

Enojy the motor and keep us posted with how you get on.

J
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thanks m8.

will let tou know how i get on. should see 340ish with the miltek downpipe and a fuel pump. thats as soon as ive saved up.
 
S3 Big Andy said:
It is not really the tuners falut though if they are saying 50bhp gain from std, but a car is giving over that already, what they should say is it will give you 300,310 300 bhp etc so you know what you will have.
I was told mine would go to about 310 bhp, once tested with the full milltek on I got 328.5 bhp, not a bad gain even from 280!
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totally agree with you. my evo IX was pushing out 400 ft/lbs standard so when it was mapped they cudnt get no more torque just more accross the rev range.
 
DaveMK^ said:
yes you are correct but your car did not make an extra 45bhp from the trial map did it. I am using percentages of what your car made and an extra 10% of what you made on the trial is 1.6bhp.
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you dont seem to understand! the car is running at 90% preformance which is 286 so 100% is 317. but it will make more than that.

omar
 
S3 OMAR said:
i probably would even with my down on power s3

omar
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Maybe you would our kid , but i bet you your car is putting out more than 270bhp Std , never mind with the other bit's you have!

Unless the the mods are sapping some of your power which i stated in in my first post.

p
 
Ok sorry guys, please can I briefly hijack this thread as I've got some really super basic questions!

a) if the Revo maps are all the same and generic as mentioned above, why does it cost £400 or so to get it done? Has no-one managed to get a copy of the flash and the capability to write it to the ECU? (natural thought progression for someone in IT!)

b) what's to stop you getting a 90% 'trial' and then buggering off? Does it have a best before date? Or is it incomplete / written with poor fuel economy or something like that

c) If I've given the impression with the above questions that I'm a tight wad that likes pirating stuff then I'm sorry, I'm not really I just have a suspicious mind and am genuinely interested!

Thanks!

Magnus
 
a. I presume its sufficiently well protected against piracy, that noone has been succesful in trying to copy it yet, or nobody has actually tried, but I cant beleive that.

b. The free trial automatically reverts to a 'standard'ish' map after 5 hours of driving.

c. oh.
 
Different rollers, different days.. Can't compare unless Omar takes his to a RRmeet in the future.. End of really..
One thing I will say is that he will get a cracking map with Revo when he gets the full map put on. I can vouch for that.. ;)

Just one more thing though Omar. How are you planning on getting Stage 2+ without the downpipe and sports cat (as you only have cat-back), plus you will also require the uprated fuel pump too..
 
Vtec Abuser said:
Different rollers, different days.. Can't compare unless Omar takes his to a RRmeet in the future.. End of really..
One thing I will say is that he will get a cracking map with Revo when he gets the full map put on. I can vouch for that.. ;)

Just one more thing though Omar. How are you planning on getting Stage 2+ without the downpipe and sports cat (as you only have cat-back), plus you will also require the uprated fuel pump too..
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hi m8

would luv to go to a rr day. wel am glad am making the right choice my going for the revo map. my 1st choice wos mtm map by qst but there 2 far. so my tuner is only 20mins away and he did a very gud job on ma evo plus hs a revo dealer.

bout the stage 2+ map. im saving up for the downpipe and pump. as soon as realy.

wot do u think it will be pushing out then? 340?..350?

omar
 
phantom said:
Maybe you would our kid , but i bet you your car is putting out more than 270bhp Std , never mind with the other bit's you have!

Unless the the mods are sapping some of your power which i stated in in my first post.

p
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hi

dont think the mods are sapping power cos the car drives a lot beter evn though the car hasnt been maped to suit. a lot smoother and none of that annoying noise of the exhaust flaps every 5 secs

ppl seem to think you can bolt on a few bits and the car will go faster. it mite a bit but to make the most of the mods the car has to be maped according.

please any1 correct me if im wrong.

omar
 
S3 OMAR said:
hi

dont think the mods are sapping power cos the car drives a lot beter evn though the car hasnt been maped to suit. a lot smoother and none of that annoying noise of the exhaust flaps every 5 secs

ppl seem to think you can bolt on a few bits and the car will go faster. it mite a bit but to make the most of the mods the car has to be maped according.

please any1 coorect me if im wrong.
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I dont think anybody is disputing the fact that an actual re map suited to your car and mods gives the best gains. I think the point is that the figure quoted with the mods you have is very low

a - the std car produces around 280bhp, this was the case on 2 rr days with many different cars.

b - whilst you have mild bolt on mods on a turbo car a catback will give some gains,again highlighting the fact that the power quoted is low.

In addition to this are you actually getting a re-map?? A revo as with superships and GIAC is simply a generic map and isnt actually suited to your car.
 
S3 OMAR said:
hi m8

would luv to go to a rr day. wel am glad am making the right choice my going for the revo map. my 1st choice wos mtm map by qst but there 2 far. so my tuner is only 20mins away and he did a very gud job on ma evo plus hs a revo dealer.

bout the stage 2+ map. im saving up for the downpipe and pump. as soon as realy.

wot do u think it will be pushing out then? 340?..350?

omar
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MTM by QsT would be a great choice and the run back would run the remap in!!!
 
First step in improving your power figures would be to remove that cosmetic kit you have in your engine bay aka Carbonio. Replace that with a proper CAI and unleash the ponies on your S3!
 
S3 OMAR said:
you dont seem to understand! the car is running at 90% preformance which is 286 so 100% is 317. but it will make more than that.

omar
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As several people have said, a Revo trial gives you about 90% of the increase in power, not 90% of the total. If you have a 16bhp increase, then the total increase will only be about 18bhp.

But, it seems your figures are low. Maybe its the rollers, not your car. If you factor in that the rollers could be about 10bhp off, then the total remap figure would be just under 300bhp, which is pretty much what they claim on thier website.
 
rabs said:
ECU takes quite a few miles to adapt up with any new ECU software.
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PaulAr said:
Ive had excellent experience and service with REVO and both my Golfs felt completely transformed the minute it was mapped
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This is the crux of this thread. BOTH these statements cannot be true. Either you map a car and feel the gain INSTANTANEOUSLY like PaulAr (and me) or, like Rabs, you only feel the gain "after the 3rd or 4th run".

I can install / uninstall my remap whenever I like in about 15 mins - and have done so many times. The difference is INSTANTLY felt and doesn't really change over time. Its either there or its not.

The REVO dealer himself has told you that the REVO remap will leave your car with 288 bhp (286 at 90% = 288 at 100% no matter how you look at it). I don't think that is typical for REVO at all (I've seen REVO mapped cars hitting 320bhp on the RR) - which is why I think there is something funny with it.

Its your dosh mate you do what you like with it - but something doesn't add up here.
 
Iggu. So your saying and ECU does not adapt ?

Well how does is change from summer to winter running? Or when the cars are new and shipped to Saudi or Iceland, the ecu HAS to adapt to the climate it is in or the cars will run like dogs. This is just basics and we are not talking remapped cars here.
 
My impression of what iggu has said is that some ecu's adjust to the map straight away while others take time.

On a whole ecu's do adjust according to driving style,fuel etc. This is part of their function on a modern vehicle.
 
Just to add to this, it took my sisters Mk5 Gti over a day for her to notice anything.... She swore it hadn't done a thing. Maybe a day or 2 later she said it was feeling a lot faster. The big change was when she switched the map off for a service, she said the car was so slow! She was desperate to get the map back on.....
 
rabs said:
Iggu. So your saying and ECU does not adapt ?

Well how does is change from summer to winter running? Or when the cars are new and shipped to Saudi or Iceland, the ecu HAS to adapt to the climate it is in or the cars will run like dogs. This is just basics and we are not talking remapped cars here.
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I know rabs - I'm not saying that. I'm saying people will experience the immediate effect of a map very differently. You either feel it straightaway or after a few runs - but it can't be BOTH in each individual case.

I still think 288bhp after REVO sounds unusually weak - i have a dyno plot of my standard car with no map and no mods at all and its got more than that. I've seen many other standard cars putting out the same and REVOd cars putting out over 315. Therefore it sounds fishy.
 
Yes ok. I think it was poor even for the trial code.

2 reasons it code be.
Not adapted up to full potensial
Map settings were wrong, eg Timing up to high or low or boost level to low

Hopefully his stage 2 or Stage 2 + will do the trick
 
Omar,

Have you driven another 8P S3? Might be interesting comparison. Staring at numbers is one thing but if your car feels/drives/pulls as well as another stock S3, dont worry about yours saying its making 270 bhp. Its probably still just as fast!


Maybe you could meet up with another S3 owner off this forum and have a test. Just an idea..
 
Well obviously I only say rubbish as I do not have a remap on my car so can't possibly understand rolling roads and their significance....

But IMO I think he is not being tricked by anyway, I think the rolling road was just not calibrated right and I would bet that is REVO is just as good as most of the REVO'ed cars out there.

Sure it has been know that the carbonio intake actually is a downgrade from the standard one in terms of performance.... has to do with air flow and twirls... but that would not explian the differences anyway.

Let the guy sort his map, get back to tuner and make a pre and post remap runs and we will see....

I find it amusing that before RR results everyone was quite happy and could "feel" the results of the remaps (whichever they had) and after some interesting figures all of a sudden some remaps were rubbish... Anyway enjoy your motors. I have mine standard and if mine gets remaped or upgraded I can assure you I will be happy...

Pedro
 
Well said Pedro!
I think Rolling Roads have to be taken with a pinch of salt.
I've heard that simply adjusting tyre pressures can have a big impact on the final RR figures!
There are simply too many viarables to comment on one presons results from a different day on a different rolling road.
As was said, say the rolling road Omar was on was running 10bhp down on prosports, all the figures would be more consistent with the results found at prosport wouldn't they?????
Standard 280bhp (ish)
Mapped 300bhp (ish)

I still think the prosport event was really interesting showing standard v mapped figures.

Pedro - what have you heard about Carbonio's negatively impacting performance?
I have one on mine and instantly noticed improved response and quicker turbo spool up. Do you ahve any web links to issues?

J
 
well Jamie I don't really have the links but I read somewhere that the air flow in the carbonio was not as effective as the standard one and apart from looks it was actullay not better performance wise....

But might not be true... fancy a rolling road run with and without to find out? ahahah

Basically what I read stated that it waqs the way that air wave flowed... it wasn't as good as the standard... but hey... who really knows? If it feels better don't worry about it... maybe it is just bad gossip.

Pedro
 
Was the car brand new or could it have been remapped in the past and put back to "standard" to sell? Revo and GIAC give the option to put it back to standard but put the Revo or Giac stock map back on rather than the original Audi map. The stock bhp that they put it back to is likely to be close to the Audi figures.... i dunno just a thought :think:
 
Maybe - make take the standard fit item down with me when we do this RR day and see if it could be tested with and without - all in the interests of science you see!
Before I bought mine I found some plots for a TT that showed a small increase of a few bhp, but mainly improved mid-range resposne. They also promote it for it's ability to keep the air cooler.... who knows!
 
jamiekip said:
Maybe - make take the standard fit item down with me when we do this RR day and see if it could be tested with and without - all in the interests of science you see!
Before I bought mine I found some plots for a TT that showed a small increase of a few bhp, but mainly improved mid-range resposne. They also promote it for it's ability to keep the air cooler.... who knows!
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Mine will be on the RR soon and so might swap them over to see the difference between the carbonio and the stock box with the panel filter still in.
 
I'd be really interested to know the difference the carbonio makes......
 
If anyone wants to send me a free intake to test and prove which is the best that's fine by me! :)
 
Nice try!!

I think we will hire your services to see how many miles an S3 engine can last without oil change!!! ahahahha

Pedro
 
lol, ok... just send me your engine then :)
 
what you mean? the blown one?

ahaha

Just came to mind... no point dyno testing dinamic air intakes but any gains should be noted...

Your call Jamie!

Is the Oettinger carbon air intake the same as the carbonio one?

Pedro
 
john_cook said:
Omar,

Have you driven another 8P S3? Might be interesting comparison. Staring at numbers is one thing but if your car feels/drives/pulls as well as another stock S3, dont worry about yours saying its making 270 bhp. Its probably still just as fast!


Maybe you could meet up with another S3 owner off this forum and have a test. Just an idea..
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hi there

yeh ive drove ma m8s 8P S3 but mine feels quicker. i think the issue here is the rollers. awesome use a different dyno to the 1 that my car was on. ive got a feeling that my car on awesome's dyno would be 280 if not more with the standard map.

would luv to meet up and hav a test. giv me a shout if u plan sumtin

thanks
omar
 
Rabbit222 said:
First step in improving your power figures would be to remove that cosmetic kit you have in your engine bay aka Carbonio. Replace that with a proper CAI and unleash the ponies on your S3!
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i totally agree with u but i kinda like the look of the carbon. ive ook the carbonio sticker off so that it luks even more oem. will post up some pics soon.

thanks

omar
 
Sohrob said:
I dont think anybody is disputing the fact that an actual re map suited to your car and mods gives the best gains. I think the point is that the figure quoted with the mods you have is very low

a - the std car produces around 280bhp, this was the case on 2 rr days with many different cars.

b - whilst you have mild bolt on mods on a turbo car a catback will give some gains,again highlighting the fact that the power quoted is low.

In addition to this are you actually getting a re-map?? A revo as with superships and GIAC is simply a generic map and isnt actually suited to your car.
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hi

a - dont know y that is. they dont feel like 280bhp. maybe its my car. and the other 2 ive drove.

b - am i not right in saying that the revo stage 2 can be tweaked?some1 shud know the answer. planing on geting the stage 2+ after.
 
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