So the BMW diesels are soooooooooooo superior to Audi's?

[PNH80]

Since coming on here, Ive seen pretty much every thread end up as the same BMW v AUDI ******* contest.
The same arguments follow the same predictable theme from the same people.
Come on boys, lets mix it up a bit and put the handbags away. You will never convince an AUDI fan on an AUDI forum that his car in inferior to BMW or other (whether it is or not), regardless of how many magazine reviews you quote (very Alan Partridge BTW !!).


cheers
Paul

I honestly couldn't disagree with you more. Sure this is an Audi forum but it's also first and foremost a forum full of car fans. We all love cars in general and i'd imagine a very wide knowledge of all cars.
So if an 'Audi fan' cannot listen to and accept opinions that maybe, just maybe other manufacturers may have a better product i think thats a shame.
I genuinely love nearly everything about my A3. It suits all my needs and i wouldn't swap it for anything in the same class. I accept other cars are probably better at certain things but the A3 S-line does it for me.

Audi make some world class cars (particularly S and RS models) but to me the base models throughout the whole Audi range are dull as ditch water. It's only the sports styled models which stand out for me and it's my right to say that. I paid my money, i bought an Audi....and i'll give my opinion.
If some one asks my honest opinion on a car i'll give it, Audi forum or not. It's pretty much accepted fact that the BMW 335d coupe is a better all round car than the A5 3.0TDI. More focused, lively drive, better engine but with a worse interior and maybe....a worse image.

No manufacturer is good at everything so it's nice to share opinions and swap ideas. Heated, passionate debate is great...bigotted, rude comments and insults aren't so as long as it's kept polite and educated and not just intended to **** off other forum goers i'm happy for people to say whatever they like about Audi. I don't want to listen to people saying everything about the brand is brilliant if it's simply not.

 

[bacardi]

 

[h5djr]

I acknowledge the fact that the interior is a bit dull.
But, then again, I didn't think my A3's interior was particularly exciting either.
I really can't see what there is to "hate" about it.
It has some nice touches, like the two little red LED's that shine down from the roof onto the centre console at night.
Audi would call it 'ambient lighting', I suppose.
And charge you extra for it...

Those two little red LED's as you put it are in fact part of an Interior Lighting Package which consists of Illuminated door openers, vanity mirrors and storage compartment, together footwell lighting, reading lights front and rear, and active door reflectors.

For the 3-series BMW offer what they call an Extended Lighting package, but their website does no tell you what this includes.

In each case you can choose to have or not.

 

[newbiecrg]

I also slagged my S3 for being boring.... I am falling in love again... ahahah

But like others said I can't see other 3door hatchback I would buy instead so quite happy with it...

Pedro

 

[Amchlolor]

Those two little red LED's as you put it are in fact part of an Interior Lighting Package which consists of Illuminated door openers, vanity mirrors and storage compartment, together footwell lighting, reading lights front and rear, and active door reflectors.

For the 3-series BMW offer what they call an Extended Lighting package, but their website does no tell you what this includes.

In each case you can choose to have or not.

I was merely pointing out that the 'boring' BMW interior does, in fact, contain some neat touches, that Audi would charge extra for (namely the roof mounted, downward pointing, LED's)
I also have a refrigerated centre armrest, as standard.
I was £90 for a centre armrest for my A3, and it wasn't refrigerated.

 

[h5djr]

I was merely pointing out that the 'boring' BMW interior does, in fact, contain some neat touches, that Audi would charge extra for (namely the roof mounted, downward pointing, LED's)
I also have a refrigerated centre armrest, as standard.
I was £90 for a centre armrest for my A3, and it wasn't refrigerated.

But BMW like Audi charge extra for some things on some models. The armrest was standard on mine as was the interior lighting package,cruise control,light and rain sensor pack, storage pack and the auto-dimming rear view mirror. It's just a matter of deciding which model gives you what you want. Choices or options, call them what you will.

 

[PaulAr]

I honestly couldn't disagree with you more. Sure this is an Audi forum but it's also first and foremost a forum full of car fans. We all love cars in general and i'd imagine a very wide knowledge of all cars.
So if an 'Audi fan' cannot listen to and accept opinions that maybe, just maybe other manufacturers may have a better product i think thats a shame.
I genuinely love nearly everything about my A3. It suits all my needs and i wouldn't swap it for anything in the same class. I accept other cars are probably better at certain things but the A3 S-line does it for me.

Audi make some world class cars (particularly S and RS models) but to me the base models throughout the whole Audi range are dull as ditch water. It's only the sports styled models which stand out for me and it's my right to say that. I paid my money, i bought an Audi....and i'll give my opinion.
If some one asks my honest opinion on a car i'll give it, Audi forum or not. It's pretty much accepted fact that the BMW 335d coupe is a better all round car than the A5 3.0TDI. More focused, lively drive, better engine but with a worse interior and maybe....a worse image.

No manufacturer is good at everything so it's nice to share opinions and swap ideas. Heated, passionate debate is great...bigotted, rude comments and insults aren't so as long as it's kept polite and educated and not just intended to **** off other forum goers i'm happy for people to say whatever they like about Audi. I don't want to listen to people saying everything about the brand is brilliant if it's simply not.

Funnily enough I actually agree with what you have just said, although I cant quite see where what you have written addresses my point.

Anyway, to re-iterate, my point is the that so many threads on here end up completely off thread in the same debate with the same recyled comments, and often with very prickly undertones.

Yes I agree that a good healthy debate can keep things interesting, but every day there is another "he said/she said", "read my post again", "my car is better than your car", "AUDIs are rubbish", "BMWs are rubbish" its like being back at school.
Im relatively new on here and maybe Im in the wrong place, Ive just not seen as much negative banter on other forums as Ive seen on here. I like to come onto forums as a bit of a distraction and engage in some decent exchanges, pick up some useful info and have some crack with like minded enthusiasts, but I like to be able to contribute without ending up the same debate each time.

Im sure this (completely of topic) post wont make a blind bit of difference. but thats my 2p.

Paul

 

[h5djr]

I must say I agree. I personally think a lot of this BMW is best, Audi is best type of post really belongs to a general car forum rather than one supposedly dedicated to the Audi A3-8P. I'm all for lively debate about cars, but I'm sure a lot of people come on here to try and get or give help and information about the A3 rather than to see endless 'debates' about who thinks what about other cars.

Yes some direct comparisons between different makes by all means but at least compare like with like rather than just generally one manufacturer compared with another. I always think it funny that people are always comparing the A3 with the BMW 3-series. That must be a compliment to the A3 as it's direct competitor is the 1-series rather than the 3-series.

I'm I will be shot down by those who like to argue and debate about almost everything but that's my personal view.

 

[SteveTDCi]

Not really. Think of the 3 series as the Anne Widdecombe of cars.....

She could be a great shag but...... well you get my point

that sums it up nicely ! yes I would put interior design over driver enjoyment, how often do you get to drive quick enough to enjoy it ? I would happily trade steering feel for a better interior, the A3 is plenty good enough for everyday driving its a good practial car that gets let out at junctions if I wanted driver enjoyment I would be looking for an Elise or boxster, as it happens we also have a Puma, granted its not all that quick but for throwing about at a sensible speed its more than enough fun without risk of loosing you licence.

 

[PNH80]

Funnily enough I actually agree with what you have just said, although I cant quite see where what you have written addresses my point.

Anyway, to re-iterate, my point is the that so many threads on here end up completely off thread in the same debate with the same recyled comments, and often with very prickly undertones.

Yes I agree that a good healthy debate can keep things interesting, but every day there is another "he said/she said", "read my post again", "my car is better than your car", "AUDIs are rubbish", "BMWs are rubbish" its like being back at school.
Im relatively new on here and maybe Im in the wrong place, Ive just not seen as much negative banter on other forums as Ive seen on here. I like to come onto forums as a bit of a distraction and engage in some decent exchanges, pick up some useful info and have some crack with like minded enthusiasts, but I like to be able to contribute without ending up the same debate each time.

Im sure this (completely of topic) post wont make a blind bit of difference. but thats my 2p.

Paul

You're bang right, i can't argue that a lot of posts on here do end in quite childish comments. Although i think some of that is due to people taking offence far far too easily, as if they physically gave birth to the car.
Audi's are always going to get compared to BMW's and therefore the dreaded 'BMW' will always crop up in this forum when making comparisons.

I honestly don't think there is ANY daylight between the 2 companies overall so most of the arguments are just splitting hairs for the sake of it.... 'My dad's bigger than your dad'

There are some top lads (and lasses) who post on this forum so you're definitely not in the wrong place. You must have joined at the wrong time of month!

 

[PaulAr]

You're bang right, i can't argue that a lot of posts on here do end in quite childish comments. Although i think some of that is due to people taking offence far far too easily, as if they physically gave birth to the car.
Audi's are always going to get compared to BMW's and therefore the dreaded 'BMW' will always crop up in this forum when making comparisons.

I honestly don't think there is ANY daylight between the 2 companies overall so most of the arguments are just splitting hairs for the sake of it.... 'My dad's bigger than your dad'

There are some top lads (and lasses) who post on this forum so you're definitely not in the wrong place. You must have joined at the wrong time of month!

:thumbsup:Affirmative.

 

[bacardi]

I always think it funny that people are always comparing the A3 with the BMW 3-series. That must be a compliment to the A3 as it's direct competitor is the 1-series rather than the 3-series.

I'm I will be shot down by those who like to argue and debate about almost everything but that's my personal view.

I agree, its quite interesting the A3 is compared to the 3 series not the 1 series and I too think its a complement

There you go, no shooting down too

 

[SteveTDCi]

Ok, it was the 335d touring M-sport , so it is a bit rarer to find one than the coupes and saloons, but i would need the pratical space more.

The salesman drove her first, i was amazed at how well it gripped the road, and was very impressed by the performance overall. (286 bhp, 0-60 in 6.3 seconds!)

The interior was very well fitted out, the leather seats held you in very well, with so many adjustments too. Excellent driving position, and loved the chunky steering wheel with chrome flappy paddels.

Overall i'm sold on the whole idea, and i could keep this car for many years to come, pretty good MPG for amazing performance (combined 40 MPG) and a tax group of E, my sportback is D, and i'm getting double the power lol.

I presume it was sycamores, did you get as far as a PX price ? I nearly laughed when they valued my golf.

 

[TDI-line]

I presume it was sycamores, did you get as far as a PX price ? I nearly laughed when they valued my golf.

Lol, no it was the one at Huntingdon, Murketts. But the interior was beige leather, which isn't my cup of tea.

I'm going to wait a few months yet Steve, maybe when my car is coming up for 3 years old, which is soon.

 

[Amchlolor]

how often do you get to drive quick enough to enjoy it ?

All the time.
One of the advantages of where I live.

 

[Nutkins]

as it happens we also have a Puma, granted its not all that quick but for throwing about at a sensible speed its more than enough fun without risk of loosing you licence.

Agreed - I had a Puma for a bit, great little drivers car - lovely gearbox

 

[PNH80]

Agreed - I had a Puma for a bit, great little drivers car - lovely gearbox

I assume you mean the 1.7 and not the 1.4! It was the Top Gear car of the year when it was released i believe. I remember Tiff scaring the ***** out of Jeremy and Quentin on a track.
Pretty good feat of engineering on Fords part to squeeze that out of a Fiesta...

 

[Amchlolor]

Agreed - I had a Puma for a bit, great little drivers car - lovely gearbox

Low friction cylinder block made by Yamaha, IIRC.

 

[Matt]

Mother has the 1.7 Puma. Its quite chuckable, just lacking a little in power!

 

[golf]

The 1.7 Puma is powerful enough seeing as the car weighs little more than 1000kg, the handling is quality, really hold its own around corners. I just get a little embarassed when I'm at traffic lights and people see that I'm not a woman or a hairdresser...