GIAC Hammer remap for S3

[phantom]

I would deffo say the map is to blame for excelerating the faults that were already there!

As boggsv says siu00adg already had some fault/warning codes when they plugged Vag-com in!

boggsv do you work at Regal? when did you Vag-com the car?

I think if you have faults/warning codes, any remap would excelerate part failure or bring on the managment light , i don't think it would just be the Hammer map or GIAC, theres at least 3 members running the Hammer map with no issues, all of them used Statler tunning tho?

p

 

[Deleted member 22276]

Thanks very much to Chen (boggysv) who met up with me and downloaded the errors with his VAG-COM. I've forwarded the log to Chris @ Regal to see what he thinks, as Chen says, it could well be just a matter of a new set of plugs which would be very good news! (fingers crossed).

Chen, has your heart stopped racing now after our encounter with the PO-lice!? (we were pulled over because the police thought we'd nicked our cars!)


Saturday,01,March,2008,23:09:26:12366
VAG-COM Version: Release 704.1

Address 01: Engine
Control Module Part Number: 8P0 907 115 H
Component and/or Version: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 0050
Software Coding: 01030003180F0160
Work Shop Code: WSC 65728
2 Faults Found:

000768 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
P0300 - 001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 10100001
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 3
Mileage: 18201 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2008.03.01
Time: 12:41:59

Freeze Frame:
RPM: 6417 /min
Load: 25.5 %
Speed: 124.0 km/h
Temperature: 87.0°C
Temperature: 19.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
Voltage: 14.224 V

000771 - Cylinder 3: Misfire Detected
P0303 - 001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 10100001
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 3
Mileage: 18201 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2008.03.01
Time: 12:41:59

Freeze Frame:
RPM: 6417 /min
Load: 25.5 %
Speed: 124.0 km/h
Temperature: 87.0°C
Temperature: 19.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
Voltage: 14.224 V


Readiness: 0000 0000

 

[boggysv]

boggsv do you work at Regal? when did you Vag-com the car?

Nope, I'm not working for regal. Just a busybody who wanted to tag along and check out the hammer map.

Vag-com was plugged in after the remap, and it just shows "No Signal/Communication - Intermittent" errors from some modules. Time when all the errors occured was the same as when the remap occured (about 11 am). No previous faults recorded.

As you can see, the misfiring occured about 2 hours later, and that triggered the CEL. Doesnt sound like a map problem because it's just concentrated on cylinder 3. And I noticed his car has quite some soot buildup on the exhaust pipes as well when first seeing the car. Might be due to the many short commutes?

Codes were cleared, and afaik, they didnt come back after quite some ragging with the car last night.


si00adg,
I nearly wet the seats! But glad to see the police doing their part.

On 2nd thoughs, maybe your car is just protesting that you left her dirty?

 

[Oli.]

So now you've cleared the codes, its been fine?

If so, it could just have been a glitch, that was triggered by the software and will not reappear again. We quite often have to clear a build of 'ghost' codes, that don't effect the running of the car but will trigger the Engine Management Light - Strange but thats modern engines with lots of sensors etc...

 

[Deleted member 22276]

Nope, I'm not working for regal. Just a busybody who wanted to tag along and check out the hammer map.

Vag-com was plugged in after the remap, and it just shows "No Signal/Communication - Intermittent" errors from some modules. Time when all the errors occured was the same as when the remap occured (about 11 am). No previous faults recorded.

As you can see, the misfiring occured about 2 hours later, and that triggered the CEL. Doesnt sound like a map problem because it's just concentrated on cylinder 3. And I noticed his car has quite some soot buildup on the exhaust pipes as well when first seeing the car. Might be due to the many short commutes?

Codes were cleared, and afaik, they didnt come back after quite some ragging with the car last night.


si00adg,
I nearly wet the seats! But glad to see the police doing their part.

On 2nd thoughs, maybe your car is just protesting that you left her dirty?

After a quick search on here it does sound like I've got sparkplug/coilpack issues.

Re: the short commutes: yup, Guildford to Woking and back everyday for 6 months. I do get the train now though.

The light is still off despite some more "spirited" driving today, however the flatspot is still there, so I just keep it below 6.5krpm.

I must admit, I was a bit worried when we were pulled, thought he might have seen us creep over the limit a little!

Yeah, got to admit, it could do with a bit of a clean!

 

[Kris]

When Statler did mine he plugged in VAG-COM first, checked the vehicle VIN number, which ECU software was fitted and i beleive a systems check. I've run mine up to around 6.700 rpm a couple of times with no problems and the engine is still pulling hard.

Hope its all sorted for you now :thumbsup:

 

[Spin140]

When Statler did mine he plugged in VAG-COM first, checked the vehicle VIN number, which ECU software was fitted and i beleive a systems check. I've run mine up to around 6.700 rpm a couple of times with no problems and the engine is still pulling hard.

Hope its all sorted for you now :thumbsup:

This was the same procedure for my car, even when I went back for the updated map Jnr at Statller did a full systems check prior to upload, a bit disappointing that regal as the main UK agent didn't follow the same procedure.

I put money on it being an existing fault and not map related just map highlighted as Phantom commented, my car too pulls cleanly throughout the rev range, hope you get it sorted soon and that it doesn't detract from your enjoyment too much, it is ****** fast with the map on isn't it

 

[Deleted member 22276]

This was the same procedure for my car, even when I went back for the updated map Jnr at Statller did a full systems check prior to upload, a bit disappointing that regal as the main UK agent didn't follow the same procedure.

I put money on it being an existing fault and not map related just map highlighted as Phantom commented, my car too pulls cleanly throughout the rev range, hope you get it sorted soon and that it doesn't detract from your enjoyment too much, it is ****** fast with the map on isn't it

To be fair, Regal probably did do a system check, the errors popped up after I'd been cheesing it down the motorway for a bit, I didn't notice the flat spot when I first took the car out for a test spin.

Yup, it really is mental fast!

 

[Spin140]

Guess you were just unlucky then, obviously nothing too serious as the car runs well until it hits that rpm level.

Due to your inconvenience of having to go back I'd chance my arm and request a little extra, perhaps the additional Kill or valet map FOC, especially as you paid full price in the first place, majority of outlets will give you 10% off just forasking.

Good luck on sat..

 

[Deleted member 22276]

Guess you were just unlucky then, obviously nothing too serious as the car runs well until it hits that rpm level.

Due to your inconvenience of having to go back I'd chance my arm and request a little extra, perhaps the additional Kill or valet map FOC, especially as you paid full price in the first place, majority of outlets will give you 10% off just forasking.

Good luck on sat..

Yeah, can't wait to get it sorted though, it is a bit annoying.

I was thinking about getting some new plugs fitted FOC, might be pushing it a bit. To be fair I don't think it was Regals fault at all, but I guess time will tell. I did ask for a discount when I was emailing them, but they ignored me so I presumed that was a no!

Yeah, wouldn't be happy if the car is still ill after Sat, fingers crossed!

 

[boggysv]

Gdluck with next sat.

Now that I think of it, do you want to hold on to the cable for the meantime? Sounds like you need it more than me, and it's just sitting in my glovebox doing nothing.

All you need is just the program which you can download from rosstech.

 

[Deleted member 22276]

Gdluck with next sat.

Now that I think of it, do you want to hold on to the cable for the meantime? Sounds like you need it more than me, and it's just sitting in my glovebox doing nothing.

All you need is just the program which you can download from rosstech.

Thanks mate, yeah that would be cool

If you email me your postcode I'll stop by and pick it up whenever is convenient sometime this week?

 

[sjahS3]

Just booked mine into Regal for the 310 map..

Can't wait now!

-Sal-

 

[Deleted member 22276]

Just booked mine into Regal for the 310 map..

Can't wait now!

-Sal-

Wicked! Hope you don't have the same issue I do though!

You will love the extra power, I breifly put it back to stock and it felt really weak compared to the GIAC map!

 

[sjahS3]

Wicked! Hope you don't have the same issue I do though!

You will love the extra power, I breifly put it back to stock and it felt really weak compared to the GIAC map!

Yeah, hopefully won't have the same issues! Hope you get them sorted.

Going down there on Sat'day.. gonna be a quality drive back home with those few extra horses!

-Sal-

 

[Deleted member 22276]

Yeah, hopefully won't have the same issues! Hope you get them sorted.

Going down there on Sat'day.. gonna be a quality drive back home with those few extra horses!

-Sal-

I'm down there on Sat too, Chris is gonna try and sort the issue I'm having, prolly see you there

 

[sjahS3]

I'm down there on Sat too, Chris is gonna try and sort the issue I'm having, prolly see you there

Nice one.. - yeah probably will do then.

May even see you on the way down.. I'll be the slow phantom S3 desperately trying to keep up

-Sal-

 

[Deleted member 22276]

Nice one.. - yeah probably will do then.

May even see you on the way down.. I'll be the slow phantom S3 desperately trying to keep up

-Sal-

You live in Wokingham don't you? I was living in Reading when I saw you down there but I've moved to Guildford now, see you on the M3!

 

[sjahS3]

You live in Wokingham don't you? I was living in Reading when I saw you down there but I've moved to Guildford now, see you on the M3!

Used to live in Wokingham, now up in London mate so you'll prob be there well before me..

-Sal-

 

[Deleted member 22276]

Just a reply from Chris @ Regal, he recons the plugs should be ok since my milage is low, but there is a known issue where spark plugs are loose, could be that, wish I had the tools to tighten them! Still, I'll be down at Regal on Sat for Chris to have a good poke about.

 

[cooni]

The light is still off despite some more "spirited" driving today, however the flatspot is still there, so I just keep it below 6.5krpm.

this doesnt concern you???

 

[Deleted member 22276]

this doesnt concern you???

Not hugely, getting it checked out on Sat.

 

[Spin140]

I had to do a longer journey than usual today due to some last minute child care arrangements, to avoid traffic I took the back roads for the 36 mile journey, the car performed faultlessly and is absolutely rapid. It's rare I feel the need to rev the car out with all the extra torque but i decided to give it a stretch on the way back and ****** hell !!!
No problem zinging around into the red line, no hesitation whatsoever but no need to rev it that hard its just too quick for majority of roads, great fun though.
There is no problem with the 330 hammer map, 3 out of 4 that have this map have no issues whatsoever, anyone reading I'd say if you opt for GIAC go with their latest map/technology or you may as well go for an alternate company - you wouldn't pay full price for last years 'latest Phone/TV' so why do this with your remap ?!?

We have the Awesome Dyno day this Sat and my car will go on the rollers, I'll post the graphs, get them to check it out and report if they discover any issues so if anyone is considering GIAC but is put off by any potential issues the extra info may assist in their decision.

What ever power the Hammer map makes it does it well with excellent driveability so IMO this is the map to go for.

 

[cooni]

There is no problem with the 330 hammer map, 3 out of 4 that have this map have no issues whatsoever

3 out of 4.... so a reliability of 75%?!?!
dont get me wrong, im not ripping on giac, i'm considering who to go for right now and i think i'll stick with giac... just contemplating the 310 vs 330. you'd sorta realllllly hope there are no issues relating to the additional strain on the engine after such a short period of time, let alone in the long run. let's see the cause of the flat spot in siu00adg's car

We have the Awesome Dyno day this Sat and my car will go on the rollers, I'll post the graphs

very interested to see how this goes. keep us posted!

 

[phantom]

^^^^^^^^^^Cheers spin, if thers no fault codes and it feel rapid on the bum dyno then it's good enough for me! lol

p

 

[julians]

I currently wouldnt touch the 330map with a barge pole, for the following reasons:-

1. Its not been in circulation long enough or in enough numbers to determine long term reliability
2. No other companies offer a 330bhp map on the standard car - This is a key concern for me .

And, I'm not having a go at GIAC, I'd have the same issues if it were solely revo or solely sueprchips that were offering a 330bhp map.

Either GIAC are way ahead of the game when it comes to tuning, or they're taking risks in order to appear better than all the other tuning companies. At the moment I cant decide which way they fall.

 

[Spin140]

I can understand your reservations as I had the same ones prior to the update. I had the 310 originally and as it was so good thought I may as well give the higher powerd map a try and so far so good. As with all these things time and mileage will tell but I have no concerns as I rarely 'rag' the car especially since the hammer map due to all the increased torque. If I'm honest there isn't a massive difference between the 2 maps but it is there, I'd expect the car to make around 320 on an accurate Dyno. My own line of thought now I have the Hammer map is to add extra oil/filter changes between the LL schedule and treat the car with the respect it deserves especially when not fully warmed, other owners with the '330' map may not be as caring so could potentially face early transmission wear etc but even in this case I would be very shocked for any of our S3's to fail so early in their lifespan - lets be honest here how many of us are likely to keep the cars beyond 3 years/average mileage ? If you can afford to spend @ £30,000 on a car you are unlikely to keep it once the latest toy is out ?!?

I on the other hand do intend to keep this car for a minimum of 3 years so reliability is key.

GIAC are breaking into the very lucrative european market so are unlikely to risk their credibility with a dodgy map when their reputation is built on 'smooth, factory mapping with excellent reliability and especially since their own 310 bhp version has been so well recieved.

Having said all this, I've spent my hard earned cash on this so I'm obviously going to believe in my decision so this is just my opinion, no- one wants to think they may have screwed up or made the wrong choice, I waited 7 months prior to mapping and did lots of research, GIAC werethe right choice for me - to date I'm very happy and amazed at just how quick the car has become, to be frank it scares the pants off me when on boost....
I paid £585 for Pump, Stock & Flashloader - in hindsight I'd now pay more.

 

[JohnS3]

Hi Spin, How much additional torque does the 330 map give you over the 310?

 

[Spin140]

Hi Spin, How much additional torque does the 330 map give you over the 310?

I don't know the actual in figures as I never had before and after dyno runs, the car does feel a little more eager but not to a massive degree, the most noticeable difference is at around 4,000 rpm where the power feels more linear, I too will be interested to see the power curves. I previously described the diff as being like when you drop off your passenger with the car feeling 'lighter'.

The diff between stock and mapped is however chalk and cheese above 3,000 rpm.

 

[Deleted member 22276]

Ok, so I went down to Regal again today and heres how it went:

First thing they tried was re-gapping my spark plugs from 0.7mm to 1mm, but it didn't work.

Then I went down to Southampton Audi to pick up a set of stock plugs, Chris then swapped them out, but still no joy.

They then took their spare coil packs from their Golf GTi racing car and stuck them in my S3 (same coil packs). We thought it had worked after a test run around the block, but alas on my journey home it started to happen again.

Chris took me out of a test drive so he could see exactly whats happening (wow!, the car feels so quick when you're in the passenger seat!!) and he managed to reproduce the problem while he was driving.

So thats the plugs and the coil packs swapped out but still the same problem!! Chris said he was gonna have a good think and give me a call on Monday about the next course of action. They remain extremely confident it isn't an issue with the GIAC software and I tend to agree, it's blatantly an issue with the engine that presents itself after being remapped to such a high output.

I've got to say how helpful Chris and team at Regal have been so far, they really do care about their customers. I just hope they're able to resolve the problem, I couldn't stand having to go back to stock after experiencing the power of the 330 map!

 

[JohnS3]

If they turn the map off does it still misfire?

 

[Oli.]

Why dont you just book it in with Audi, and get it sorted under warranty.

 

[julians]

let me get this straight.

You had no problem before it was mapped.

Its now been mapped and you have a problem.

And you think its NOT the map thats causing it?

 

[phantom]

I would get it put back to std ( flashed back ) and get your money back , take it to the dealer get it sorted under warrenty , then try it again!

p

 

[boggysv]

Is the problem still in cylinder 3 only?

 

[cooni]

They remain extremely confident it isn't an issue with the GIAC software and I tend to agree, it's blatantly an issue with the engine that presents itself after being remapped to such a high output.

i have no doubt that the giac software isnt "bugged" and is sending a spark down to the sparkie at the wrong time, but clearly something in the engine has broken, and all signs point to the fact that you've squeezed a few too many horses in there to cause that break...

 

[Deleted member 22276]

Ok, I feel like a bit of a ****.

Remember this thread?:
http://audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?t=42546

Well, I did that ages ago and forgot about it, I have now reversed it. Took it for a quick spin, initially I noticed a tiny bit of flatness around 6500rpm, but after a bit of a thrashing it went away.

The car is a lot quieter than before (less like a rocket ship now!), and it does feel a tiny bit restrained at high revs (compared with before), however, it seems to be working! I will confirm tomorrow with a proper test drive. It may turn out to be wishful thinking, I might just have been lucky tonight as the flat spot is sporadic, we will see...

 

[S3-N]

Ok, I feel like a bit of a ****.

Remember this thread?:
http://audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?t=42546

Well, I did that ages ago and forgot about it, I have now reversed it. Took it for a quick spin, initially I noticed a tiny bit of flatness around 6500rpm, but after a bit of a thrashing it went away.

The car is a lot quieter than before (less like a rocket ship now!), and it does feel a tiny bit restrained at high revs (compared with before), however, it seems to be working! I will confirm tomorrow with a proper test drive. It may turn out to be wishful thinking, I might just have been lucky tonight as the flat spot is sporadic, we will see...

So was this the cause of the problem?

 

[Spin140]

You cant have a problem caused or even highligted by the Hammer map because its a toffee hammer and only produces about 10/15 bhp more than the standard car !!! You, me, Kris and Johnny B are just imagining that the cars are faster mapped......

http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?t=49130

Hopefully the exhaust mod is the simple answer to your issues, I seem to remember reading that the valve had something to do with assisting torque by creating back pressure at low revs but i may be incorrect. GIAC have stated that the Turbo may overboost if additional hardware like Milteks etc are used alongside the hammer map so just perhaps playing with the standard exhaust has altered the way the car is behaving now mapped that extra 15 bhp , good luck with it, Spin

 

[richardn]

Hopefully the exhaust mod is the simple answer to your issues, I seem to remember reading that the valve had something to do with assisting torque by creating back pressure at low revs but i may be incorrect.

You're right about the valve. You get them on a lot of new motorbikes its called a set valve or something like that and it's there to do exactly what you said...