VAG Admit Cheating Diesel Emmissions...

But how do we find out if we have a EA189 or 288.
Mine is a 2.0l 170 bhp from 2010.
There is nothing on the V5 that helps.
The engine number starts CFG.
Been googling , but no idea...
 
I appreciate it's all a bit up in the air, but are any 184 TDIs affected, or all all 184s on the Euro6 / EA288 engines and therefore not included?
 
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Ahhhh. Thks that nails it then. ..
Not that it bothers me too much as it was going anyway. Shame it drives nicely
 
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a3_phil said:
I appreciate it's all a bit up in the air, but are any 184 TDIs affected, or all all 184s on the Euro6 / EA288 engines and therefore not included?
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Looking at all the back in my copies of the Price and Spec Guides I keep on my computer the 2.0TDI-184 engine has always be EU6
 
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Notes being left on VW windscreens now http://jalopnik.com/that-angry-wise-***-portland-note-left-on-a-vw-diesel-w-1733700671
 
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h5djr said:
All 1.6TDI engines including the 2014 Model year were EU5 which means you're car will be affected.

My wife has an 2011 A1 with the 1.6TDI engine and that is also EU5 but she is just in the process of changing it through a VW dealer for a new 1.2TFSI Polo. The A1 is on a PCP agreement and the dealer is still quite happy. My own 2014 2.0TDI-184 is an EU6 engine so is not of the 393,450 Audi's affected
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Not all 1.6 TDIs are Euro5. My 2015 1.6tdi is a Euro6.
 
Quick question
I can't find EA 189 etc anywhere on my V5. Help
 
Are there any 150 bhp Ea189 engines? Otherwise is it correct to assume that if you have a 150 bhp engine then it is a Ea288?
 
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/ne...-be-corrected-in-volkswagen-emissions-scandal

'Nearly 1.2 million UK motorists will be told to have their vehicles "corrected" because they are fitted with the software behind the Volkswagen (VW) diesel emissions scandal, the company has today said.

The German car-maker says the vehicles affected in the UK are 508,276 Volkswagen cars, 393,450 Audis, 131,569 Skodas, 79,838 VW commercial vehicles and 76,773 Seats.

The RAC Foundation, which has compared the numbers released by VW with DVLA licensing data, says this means 37% of all VW diesel cars on the road in the UK are affected. It adds that this is 45% of Audi diesel cars, 25% of Skoda diesel cars and 37% of Seat diesel cars (it doesn't have the figures for commercial vehicles).

However, VW has yet to confirm what the modification will involve for the 1,189,906 vehicles with the affected EA 189 engines.

The firm says: "Step by step, affected customers will be contacted, with details of a process to get their vehicles corrected in the near future. In the meantime, all vehicles are technically safe and roadworthy."

However, some have voiced fears that these repairs may result in reduced fuel efficiency and increased CO2 emissions, which may increase the Vehicle Excise Duty motorists have to pay.

Concerns have also been raised that the scandal may devalue affected vehicles.

'Customers need to be contacted as soon as possible'

Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin says: "The Government's priority is to protect the public and I understand VW are contacting all UK customers affected.

"I have made clear to the managing director this needs to happen as soon as possible.

"The Government expects VW to set out quickly the next steps it will take to correct the problem and support owners of these vehicles already purchased in the UK."

The Department for Transport has also launched an investigation which will include retesting to compare laboratory results with real-world driving emissions.

Volkswagen cheats emission tests

VW admitted earlier this month that 11 million of its diesel vehicles worldwide were fitted with defeat device software which conned testers into believing their vehicles met environmental standards.

The US Environmental Protection Agency said 482,000 of VW's 2009-15 models in the US were fitted with the sophisticated software, which switches engines to a cleaner mode when they are undergoing official testing.

Once on the road the cars produced nitrogen oxide pollutants at up to 40 times the legal standard.'
 
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I'm guessing you have a 2.0lt TDI. If it is pre 2014/15 you'll be Euro5 if I'm not mistaken. If yours is a year or so old it's Euro6.
 
Scottyg said:
I'm guessing you have a 2.0lt TDI. If it is pre 2014/15 you'll be Euro5 if I'm not mistaken. If yours is a year or so old it's Euro6.
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I got it on Sept 1
Scottyg said:
I'm guessing you have a 2.0lt TDI. If it is pre 2014/15 you'll be Euro5 if I'm not mistaken. If yours is a year or so old it's Euro6.
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Brand new. Purchased on 1st Sept. Is that defo not EA 189?
 
GreatBallsofFire said:
What do you think about my engine (150 BHP TDI), delivered beginning of April -14? Thanks.
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It's impossible to say. It will be a ea288 engine, as for euro 5 or 6 you'll need to reference your engine number and/or emission figures from your V5 with the info from the last few pages of this thread.
 
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Volkswagen Group UK announces action plan to modify diesel vehicles with EA 189 EU5 engines
Sep 30, 2015


    • New vehicles with EU6 engines currently available not affected
    • All petrol models, as well as V6 TDI and V8 TDI models unaffected
    • Technical solutions being developed and will be presented to responsible authorities before end of October
    Milton Keynes, September 30, 2015 – Volkswagen Group UK is announcing its action plan to correct the emissions characteristics of certain diesel vehicles.

    In the coming days, the VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) details of affected cars will be released to retailers. In addition, a self-serve process for customers to check if their vehicle is affected will be set up.

    Step by step, affected customers will be contacted, with details of a process to get their vehicles corrected in the near future. In the meantime, all vehicles are technically safe and roadworthy.

    Under the action plan, the Volkswagen Group brands whose vehicles are affected will present the technical solutions and measures to relevant responsible authorities in October.

    Customers with these vehicles will be kept informed over the coming weeks and months. All of the Group brands affected will set up national websites to update customers on developments.

    The specific numbers of vehicles in the UK affected per brand are as follows:
    Volkswagen Passenger Cars – 508,276
    Audi – 393,450
    SEAT – 76,773
    ŠKODA – 131,569
    Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles – 79,838

    Volkswagen Group UK is committed to supporting its customers and its retailers through the coming weeks.


Source - https://www.audi.co.uk/content/audi...-diesel-vehicles-with-ea-189-eu5-engines.html
 
Codlot said:
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Volkswagen Group UK announces action plan to modify diesel vehicles with EA 189 EU5 engines
Sep 30, 2015


    • New vehicles with EU6 engines currently available not affected
    • All petrol models, as well as V6 TDI and V8 TDI models unaffected
    • Technical solutions being developed and will be presented to responsible authorities before end of October
    Milton Keynes, September 30, 2015 – Volkswagen Group UK is announcing its action plan to correct the emissions characteristics of certain diesel vehicles.

    In the coming days, the VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) details of affected cars will be released to retailers. In addition, a self-serve process for customers to check if their vehicle is affected will be set up.

    Step by step, affected customers will be contacted, with details of a process to get their vehicles corrected in the near future. In the meantime, all vehicles are technically safe and roadworthy.

    Under the action plan, the Volkswagen Group brands whose vehicles are affected will present the technical solutions and measures to relevant responsible authorities in October.

    Customers with these vehicles will be kept informed over the coming weeks and months. All of the Group brands affected will set up national websites to update customers on developments.

    The specific numbers of vehicles in the UK affected per brand are as follows:
    Volkswagen Passenger Cars – 508,276
    Audi – 393,450
    SEAT – 76,773
    ŠKODA – 131,569
    Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles – 79,838

    Volkswagen Group UK is committed to supporting its customers and its retailers through the coming weeks.


Source - https://www.audi.co.uk/content/audi...-diesel-vehicles-with-ea-189-eu5-engines.html
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So it seems to affect only EA189 engines, if one have the EA 288 one should be safe..? (according to GrumpyEnginer I have a EA 288 [by rge wy, I found no NOx data on my [swedish] registration/service documentation).

If I have one of the effacted cars I will try to get money back while returning the car, not sure it will work though..
 
I determined that mines was one of the affected engines by looking at my service book and using Wikipedia
I have a 2015 b8.5 a4 avant black edition. The service book says my engine is a " CGLC"
Wiki shows four two ltr engines, mines is the last one shown below.
2.0 R4 16v TDI CR 81-176kW
Below this its says the motor type is EA189

It then gives a list of the cars that have this engine and mines is one of them.

130 kilowatts (177 PS; 174 bhp) @ 4,200 rpm; 380 newton metres (280 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–2,500 rpm— CGLC Audi A4, Audi A5, Audi A6,
This is how I have determined it but who knows I'm probably be wrong
 
The info from VAG says a database of every VIN which is affected will be online shortly.

Until then, it's probably best to chill and not try and 2nd guess if we may or may not be affected.

It's no big deal if you are or aren't affected anyway. Unless you're an eco warrior who spends their weekends hugging trees. They'll flash the ecu to remove the cheat device and then we carry on as normal.
 
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Don76 said:
The info from VAG says a database of every VIN which is affected will be online shortly.

Until then, it's probably best to chill and not try and 2nd guess if we may or may not be affected.

It's no big deal if you are or aren't affected anyway. Unless you're an eco warrior who spends their weekends hugging trees. They'll flash the ecu to remove the cheat device and then we carry on as normal.
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very true.
i was thinking about the 'reflashing to remove the defeat device' thing this morning that the press is going on about.....the defeat device only kicks in during testing to give lower emissions and does nothing on the road, so removing it achieves nothing other than making it unable to pass the lab tests. emissions are no different on the road so it'd be a pointless exercise. keeping the defeat device and hard wiring it so its always in this mode makes more sense from an emissions point of view (ignoring what the car would be like to drive).
but then the press never let common sense and facts get in the way of a click-bait headline......
 
Looking at my copy of the ElsaWin workshop manual it seems that the following engine codes used on the 8V are for the 1.6 and 2.0 EA 288 Gen1 engines. As I understand this engine type is NOT affected by the problem. The codes are:
CLHA, CRBC, CRBD, CRFA, CRFC, CRKB, CRLB, CRUA, CUNA, CRLC, CXXB.

If anyone wants me to look up any other engine code I will need the year, model type, engine code. These can all be found in the front of the service book or the engine code is the first 4 letters item P5 Engine code on the V5C form.

Alternatively as 'Don76' said, just wait until the full list of VIN numbers are cars with the problem to be published by Audi. And just remember whatever happens you diesel engine is still producing much less of the 'climate change' C02 than the equivalent powered petrol engine. This fact seems to have been quietly forgotten together with the fact that almost every other non-car vehicle on the road has a diesel engine that is more likely to be to the older EU5 standard.
 
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H5djr,
Could you check mine . It is CFGB 2010
8p. 2.0 170 bhp.
I understand the Ea288 was not introduced until 2012 so sound ominous for me. Thing is I was hoping to sell this weekend (not because of the scandal , but to pay for my new S3)
So would help to know....
 
Don76 said:
It's no big deal if you are or aren't affected anyway. Unless you're an eco warrior who spends their weekends hugging trees. They'll flash the ecu to remove the cheat device and then we carry on as normal.
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Um its NOT all about being "green". As I said in a past post, they made a program to turn off the NOx trap box. Re-mapping the ECU so the trap box works all the time will diminish your MPG and it could even effect your output BHP. So the said car sold to you at the said specs may change!
 
musicegbdf said:
H5djr,
Could you check mine . It is CFGB 2010
8p. 2.0 170 bhp.
I understand the Ea288 was not introduced until 2012 so sound ominous for me. Thing is I was hoping to sell this weekend (not because of the scandal , but to pay for my new S3)
So would help to know....
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The data does not say it's a EA288 so I assume it's an EA189 which looks like it's one of the engines that may well be affected.
 
wikipedia has quite a bit of information on VW engines and lists EA189 engines as follows;
2.0 R4 16v TDI CR 81-176kW[edit]
identification
Motor type: EA 189 / parts code prefix: 03L, ID codes: CAGA, CAGC, CAHA, CBEA, CBAB, CFFB, CBBB, CBDB, CBDC, CEGA, CFGB, CFCA, CJAA, CLJA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Volkswagen_Group_diesel_engines

81 kilowatts (110 PS; 109 bhp) @ 4,200 rpm; 250 newton metres (184 lbf·ft) @ 1,500–2,500 rpm — CBDC
88 kilowatts (120 PS; 118 bhp) @ 4,000 rpm; 290 newton metres (214 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–2,500 rpm — CAGC SEAT Exeo (09/09->)
100 kilowatts (136 PS; 134 bhp) — CAGB(AUDI A6 C6 CR)
103 kilowatts (140 PS; 138 bhp) @ 3,750-4,150 rpm; 320 newton metres (236 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–2,800 rpm — CFHC, CBEA, CBAB, CFFB, CBDB, CJAA Volkswagen Golf Mk6
105 kilowatts (143 PS; 141 bhp) @ 4,200 rpm; 320 newton metres (236 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–2,500 rpm — Audi B8 A4, Audi Q5, SEAT Exeo (CAGA: 12/08->)
110 kilowatts (150 PS; 148 bhp) @ 3,500 rpm; 320 newton metres (236 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–3,000 rpm — CRBC Audi A3, Golf VII, SEAT Leon
125 kilowatts (170 PS; 168 bhp) @ 4,200 rpm; 350 newton metres (258 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–2,500 rpm — CBBB VW passat cc, CFGB Audi TT 2.0 TDI quattro, Audi 8P A3, Volkswagen Golf Mk6, Škoda Octavia RS TDI (CEGA: 2008->), SEAT Exeo (CAHA: 02/09->), CEGA SEAT Leon
130 kilowatts (177 PS; 174 bhp) @ 4,200 rpm; 380 newton metres (280 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–2,500 rpm— CGLC Audi A4, Audi A5, Audi A6,
132 kilowatts (179 PS; 177 bhp) @ 4,000 rpm; 400 newton metres (295 lbf·ft) @ 1,500–2,000 rpm — CFCA Volkswagen Transporter (T5) GP biturbo
135 kilowatts (184 PS; 181 bhp) @ 4,000 rpm; 380 newton metres (280 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–3,000 rpm — CUNA Audi A3, Golf VII, SEAT Leon
140 kilowatts (190 PS; 188 bhp) @ 3,800 rpm; 400 newton metres (300 lbf·ft) — CNHA Audi B8 A4, Volkswagen Passat 2015[16]
176 kilowatts (239 PS; 236 bhp) @ 4,000 rpm; 500 newton metres (369 lbf·ft) — CUAA Volkswagen Passat 2015 TDI BiTurbo[16]

So my Golf GTD is affected as its engine code CFGB (listed in section 3 of the vehicle data sticker on the inside of the service manual
 
Bit dumb leaving notes on TDIs...how was the buyer supposed to know that VW were cheating the tests?

As long as VW get the emissions down while keeping the MPG and BHP the same then it's all good.

In every large company you'll eventually get weeds that capitalise/cheat/steal to get recognition or higher pay - hopefully this has flushed them out.
 
_Zerocool_ said:
wikipedia has quite a bit of information on VW engines and lists EA189 engines as follows;
2.0 R4 16v TDI CR 81-176kW[edit]
identification
Motor type: EA 189 / parts code prefix: 03L, ID codes: CAGA, CAGC, CAHA, CBEA, CBAB, CFFB, CBBB, CBDB, CBDC, CEGA, CFGB, CFCA, CJAA, CLJA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Volkswagen_Group_diesel_engines

81 kilowatts (110 PS; 109 bhp) @ 4,200 rpm; 250 newton metres (184 lbf·ft) @ 1,500–2,500 rpm — CBDC
88 kilowatts (120 PS; 118 bhp) @ 4,000 rpm; 290 newton metres (214 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–2,500 rpm — CAGC SEAT Exeo (09/09->)
100 kilowatts (136 PS; 134 bhp) — CAGB(AUDI A6 C6 CR)
103 kilowatts (140 PS; 138 bhp) @ 3,750-4,150 rpm; 320 newton metres (236 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–2,800 rpm — CFHC, CBEA, CBAB, CFFB, CBDB, CJAA Volkswagen Golf Mk6
105 kilowatts (143 PS; 141 bhp) @ 4,200 rpm; 320 newton metres (236 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–2,500 rpm — Audi B8 A4, Audi Q5, SEAT Exeo (CAGA: 12/08->)
110 kilowatts (150 PS; 148 bhp) @ 3,500 rpm; 320 newton metres (236 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–3,000 rpm — CRBC Audi A3, Golf VII, SEAT Leon
125 kilowatts (170 PS; 168 bhp) @ 4,200 rpm; 350 newton metres (258 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–2,500 rpm — CBBB VW passat cc, CFGB Audi TT 2.0 TDI quattro, Audi 8P A3, Volkswagen Golf Mk6, Škoda Octavia RS TDI (CEGA: 2008->), SEAT Exeo (CAHA: 02/09->), CEGA SEAT Leon
130 kilowatts (177 PS; 174 bhp) @ 4,200 rpm; 380 newton metres (280 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–2,500 rpm— CGLC Audi A4, Audi A5, Audi A6,
132 kilowatts (179 PS; 177 bhp) @ 4,000 rpm; 400 newton metres (295 lbf·ft) @ 1,500–2,000 rpm — CFCA Volkswagen Transporter (T5) GP biturbo
135 kilowatts (184 PS; 181 bhp) @ 4,000 rpm; 380 newton metres (280 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–3,000 rpm — CUNA Audi A3, Golf VII, SEAT Leon
140 kilowatts (190 PS; 188 bhp) @ 3,800 rpm; 400 newton metres (300 lbf·ft) — CNHA Audi B8 A4, Volkswagen Passat 2015[16]
176 kilowatts (239 PS; 236 bhp) @ 4,000 rpm; 500 newton metres (369 lbf·ft) — CUAA Volkswagen Passat 2015 TDI BiTurbo[16]

So my Golf GTD is affected as its engine code CFGB (listed in section 3 of the vehicle data sticker on the inside of the service manual
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Not sure that list is correct as they're listing the CUNA / 184 engine as a EA189 and I believe it's exclusively an EA288.
 
a3_phil said:
Not sure that list is correct as they're listing the CUNA / 184 engine as a EA189 and I believe it's exclusively an EA288.
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The CUNA-184 engine is definitely a EA288 engine. My own A3 has the CUNA and looking at my car in ElsaWin is states it's a EA288 and is EU6. All the 184 engines since it was launched have been to EU6 standards.
 
Codlot said:
Um its NOT all about being "green". As I said in a past post, they made a program to turn off the NOx trap box. Re-mapping the ECU so the trap box works all the time will diminish your MPG and it could even effect your output BHP. So the said car sold to you at the said specs may change!
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They have not released details of the fix. This is due to be approved by authorities (presume the EU) by end of OCT.

So to suggest bhp or mpg will be harmed by the fix is nothing short of speculation.

They haven't announced the affected vehicles or the fix so we should remain calm and avoid sensationalism.
 
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I've just seen on a website that the German ADAC has tested 79 cars so far and those from Renault, Nissan, Hyundai, Citroen, Fiat and Volvo were producing up to 10 times the legal limit of NOx in real-world conditions.
 
h5djr said:
I've just seen on a website that the German ADAC has tested 79 cars so far and those from Renault, Nissan, Hyundai, Citroen, Fiat and Volvo were producing up to 10 times the legal limit of NOx in real-world conditions.
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Well that's a massive shock eh?!!

Anyone who thought this would be confined to VAG has had their head stuck up their jacksy!
 
Yes but I guess those manufacturers aren't using a 'defeat device' to give false readings. Is it only pre-owned cars that vw are halting sales of so they can modify the ecu before they are sold? It just states unsold cars in the reports I have seen.
 
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Don76 said:
They have not released details of the fix. This is due to be approved by authorities (presume the EU) by end of OCT.

So to suggest bhp or mpg will be harmed by the fix is nothing short of speculation.

They haven't announced the affected vehicles or the fix so we should remain calm and avoid sensationalism.
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Yep I agree its all speculation, its what I have read for the last 2 weeks that might/could happen ?. Time will tell........................
 
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