8V S3 Tuning Thread

Grant said:
That's my understanding from speaking to Revo as well. You would need to go back to a Revo dealer to have the software removed before going to Audi for a service or warranty work for example and then get it flashed back on afterwards.
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Sounds great in principle, but wouldn't be much use to customer X who blows his turbo/engine etc in the North of Scotland and needs to somehow get the car to Daventry to be flashed back again. But needs must I suppose.
I know there is a UK company who have bypassed the TDI flag by (now bare with me as I'm no expert on this) installing a separate chip into the car's ECU which can be remotely switched from performance to stock software without touching the car. This 'apparently' will get past the TD1 problem and unless the dealer decides to crack open your ECU on a routine dealer visit, you should be fine. If something goes seriously tits up then you can obviously have the chip removed before going to the dealer.

This has been done on a few C7 RS6's with success, but whether it works on other VAGs I don't know.
 
I had some warranty work done yesterday... I have a full exhaust and engine light on... they just admired it, never even questioned it.
 
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Oh Also found out that the s-tronic clutch packs are more substantial than that of the previous S3 and Golf R and they were good for over 450ftlbs with a dsg map.

Also pistons are forged and the Rods a very substantial not forged but again stronger than that of the previous S3/golf R and people have had them running 400ftlbs.

Basically the engine and gearbox should be good for 500hp 450+ftlbs without any major work other than a bigger turbo. On the subject of turbo's because theres no manifold or its built into the head, then swapping to a bigger turbo should be easy and a lot cheaper than what it cost on the previous S3.

Sweeeet!!!
 
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RobH_S3 said:
Oh Also found out that the s-tronic clutch packs are more substantial than that of the previous S3 and Golf R and they were good for over 450ftlbs with a dsg map.

Also pistons are forged and the Rods a very substantial not forged but again stronger than that of the previous S3/golf R and people have had them running 400ftlbs.

Basically the engine and gearbox should be good for 500hp 450+ftlbs without any major work other than a bigger turbo. On the subject of turbo's because theres no manifold or its built into the head, then swapping to a bigger turbo should be easy and a lot cheaper than what it cost on the previous S3.

Sweeeet!!!
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Sounds good, out of interest, how reliable was the source of your info? Audi tech, or bloke from the pub?
 
Very reliable source. As reliable as can be just stripped down a brand new mk7 R engine and sent it off for some more power and a bigger blower.
 
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Question: On my TTRS I could take the secondary cats off and replace with a bypass setup that gave a little more ponies and a nicer exhaust note on WOT.

Does anyone know how many cats on the S3 and if any secondary's can or has anyone bypassed them? Or just gone for whole exhaust replacement?
 
RobH_S3 said:
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Also pistons are forged and the Rods a very substantial not forged but again stronger than that of the previous S3/golf R and people have had them running 400ftlbs.

Basically the engine and gearbox should be good for 500hp 450+ftlbs without any major work other than a bigger turbo. On the subject of turbo's because theres no manifold or its built into the head, then swapping to a bigger turbo should be easy and a lot cheaper than what it cost on the previous S3.

Sweeeet!!!
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FWIW, the previous models internals are safe at 440lbs.

On the topic of bigger turbos you do have a few potential issues:

Injectors and fuelling.
Frame size of turbo plus any manifold restrictions and adapting a T3 frame size plus bolts etc to the existing manifold.

Then the other biggie.....mapping.
 
Hi All,

Probably well off the boil here but please forgive me...I have spent the last 45 minutes scrolling through this forum to find a difinitive answer but to no avail.

Collecting my S3 Saloon (Manual) in October and was looking to remap. Spoke to ABT and they informed me that there's would not be detected by Audi when servicing as it was a separate ECU alltogether that sat on top of the battery. 370BHP sounds great but near on £2k not so much...Has anyone else (Shark, RevoTechnik etc...) managed to work a way round this TD1 issue as of yet? Was looking at induction kits and panel filters as well just to add that little bit extra? Help please haha! Someone point me in the right direction!
 
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Chimp said:
Question: On my TTRS I could take the secondary cats off and replace with a bypass setup that gave a little more ponies and a nicer exhaust note on WOT.

Does anyone know how many cats on the S3 and if any secondary's can or has anyone bypassed them? Or just gone for whole exhaust replacement?
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Sorry to thread jack chimp, but I was curious about something. Like you, I currently have a TT RS, it is running an APR stage 1 at the moment so quick to the say the least. Cars now out of warranty so considering making a move to the s3, what would you say the performance is like in comparison??
 
DavidKing1987 said:
Hi All,

Probably well off the boil here but please forgive me...I have spent the last 45 minutes scrolling through this forum to find a difinitive answer but to no avail.

Collecting my S3 Saloon (Manual) in October and was looking to remap. Spoke to ABT and they informed me that there's would not be detected by Audi when servicing as it was a separate ECU alltogether that sat on top of the battery. 370BHP sounds great but near on £2k not so much...Has anyone else (Shark, RevoTechnik etc...) managed to work a way round this TD1 issue as of yet? Was looking at induction kits and panel filters as well just to add that little bit extra? Help please haha! Someone point me in the right direction!
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At the present time I do not know of any tuning companies providing a software ECU remap for the S3. Revo have just acquired an S3 saloon and are starting work on a remap which will probably be another few weeks/months down the line. No doubt after their current 20% discount promotion ends :( on the 9th August.

When you get your car in October hopefully there will be a few ecu tuning options available.
 
visionthing said:
At the present time I do not know of any tuning companies providing a software ECU remap for the S3. Revo have just acquired an S3 saloon and are starting work on a remap which will probably be another few weeks/months down the line. No doubt after their current 20% discount promotion ends :( on the 9th August.
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Likewise APR said their software would be ready in a few weeks but that time has come and gone with no apparent release for sale.

I think all seem to be having problems with encryption etc.
 
From the snippets I have picked up from various forums etc the ECU manufacturer differ between the Golf R and the S3 hence why Revo have yet to release a remap for the S3 but have managed it for the Golf R. Hopefully it is possible.
 
visionthing said:
From the snippets I have picked up from various forums etc the ECU manufacturer differ between the Golf R and the S3 hence why Revo have yet to release a remap for the S3 but have managed it for the Golf R. Hopefully it is possible.
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Cheers guys! I guess I will just keep my ear to the ground and keep popping back here to see if anything has been released. Just hope someone can work a way around this TD1 issue so that Audi don't clock it when the motor goes in for a service...
 
billyali86 said:
Sorry to thread jack chimp, but I was curious about something. Like you, I currently have a TT RS, it is running an APR stage 1 at the moment so quick to the say the least. Cars now out of warranty so considering making a move to the s3, what would you say the performance is like in comparison??
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I would say that the power delivery is less brutal but surprises you after hitting 3k revs, the sound is no where near the RS especially with the Cat bypass etc. The Interior is the next step up tech wise but the TT still has a class cabin.

I loved the TTRS, but mine was getting some miles on it, I had a TTS prior to it so needed a change, also out of warranty although it was remapped so ...would I have been lucky it something went wrong..no one knows. I was hearing about drive shafts going, haldex pumps also so thought I had my blast and time to move on. If there was an RS3 out now in the 8V I would have bought one so holding out for a year or two in the loaded S3 isnt so bad! :undwech:

S3 Handling I feel there is as much mechanical grip and is slightly more agile. It does feel slightly softer with a smidge of roll in cornering but nothing that would worry. I had Mich Super sport tyres on the RS so they were way better and will get them as soon as the crap continentals go off. Also I hope someone comes up with the "fast road" geometry settings on here as I did this on the RS and made turn in Sooo much better.

Styling wise I really like the S3 but the hatchback should have 19"'s and there should have more flared wheel arches, I like q car look but it does look like an s-line most of the time with the boggo wheels.

After a month though I find I am looking at the remaps or tuning boxes even though the I felt towards the end the RS at 410BHP & 550nm's was getting too mental for a daily driver and made me drive like a right Kn&B sometimes, I don't know how a 911 turbo S or GTR is everyday but I think I would be banned....:3sadwalk:
 
Chimp said:
I would say that the power delivery is less brutal but surprises you after hitting 3k revs, the sound is no where near the RS especially with the Cat bypass etc. The Interior is the next step up tech wise but the TT still has a class cabin.

I loved the TTRS, but mine was getting some miles on it, I had a TTS prior to it so needed a change, also out of warranty although it was remapped so ...would I have been lucky it something went wrong..no one knows. I was hearing about drive shafts going, haldex pumps also so thought I had my blast and time to move on. If there was an RS3 out now in the 8V I would have bought one so holding out for a year or two in the loaded S3 isnt so bad! :undwech:

S3 Handling I feel there is as much mechanical grip and is slightly more agile. It does feel slightly softer with a smidge of roll in cornering but nothing that would worry. I had Mich Super sport tyres on the RS so they were way better and will get them as soon as the crap continentals go off. Also I hope someone comes up with the "fast road" geometry settings on here as I did this on the RS and made turn in Sooo much better.

Styling wise I really like the S3 but the hatchback should have 19"'s and there should have more flared wheel arches, I like q car look but it does look like an s-line most of the time with the boggo wheels.

After a month though I find I am looking at the remaps or tuning boxes even though the I felt towards the end the RS at 410BHP & 550nm's was getting too mental for a daily driver and made me drive like a right Kn&B sometimes, I don't know how a 911 turbo S or GTR is everyday but I think I would be banned....:3sadwalk:
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Thanks for that. My propshaft recently snapped on the RS hence me being a bit worried. Got an s3 for the day on Monday so will see what's what
 
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Leo-83 said:
And if we have to go back to a revo dealer for a stock reflash to get rid of the code for servicing and warranty work, how about stage 2 cars that will automatically flash up an ECU light if the stock software is loaded onto a car with no cats. Do we then need to replace our exhaust systems too before warranty and servicing work?

Unfortunately, it may look like piggyback ecu is the only 'safe' way. Perhaps a 2nd Audi ECU loaded with software and a switch capability between ECU1 and ECU2 or at least the ability for the user to swap them over easily enough but then that route is mega expensive, how much is a stock Audi ECU coded correctly for the car?

As above though, its not the warranty aspect that concerns me, its the finance agreement part when trying to hand the car back with a TD1 code.
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Audi S3 ECU is about £700
 
visionthing said:
At the present time I do not know of any tuning companies providing a software ECU remap for the S3. Revo have just acquired an S3 saloon and are starting work on a remap which will probably be another few weeks/months down the line. No doubt after their current 20% discount promotion ends :( on the 9th August.

When you get your car in October hopefully there will be a few ecu tuning options available.
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I stand corrected, well partly. SIEMONEIT RACING (german tuners) has had a ECU remap since February.

1098 euro inc dsg remap to handle extra torque (for those with dsg boxes)

370ps (365bhp), 485nm, vmax limiter removed.

So it is possible, if the UK tuners drag their heels with this for too long I might make the trip over to Hamburg.
 
The only problem with that is if the dealer updates your software you've another long trip back over to get the map put back on.
 
Mine has just been back into dock for a failed MMI complete with MTM m-cantronic box. When i picked it up i was informed my car had also been updated with the latest ABS recall update!

Nothing mentioned and apparently the car was linked tongermany tomre-program he new MMI system!

not sure that would still be the case with a TD1 flag!!
 
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that is brilliant!! posted to FB car crew immediately.
 
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Few on the R forum havea tmc box fitted, they also do a package with gearbox software aswell, neither is traceable by the dealers. Those who have it fitted rate it highly so worth looking at.
 
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visionthing said:
I stand corrected, well partly. SIEMONEIT RACING (german tuners) has had a ECU remap since February.

1098 euro inc dsg remap to handle extra torque (for those with dsg boxes)

370ps (365bhp), 485nm, vmax limiter removed.

So it is possible, if the UK tuners drag their heels with this for too long I might make the trip over to Hamburg.
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The only thing with their offering is that it is a bench tune. The ECU must be taken out. It's not flashed via ODB.
 
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Very very impressed with the car, had for 24 hours. Loving the s tronic box and parp on gear change. I'm sure I frightened a few people with it 😃

Ignore random image of a1 at the bottom lol
 

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I'll believe it when I see some numbers here in blighty from a reputable source!!
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See dyno of APR Stage 1 on a Golf Mk7 GTI, remapped and rollered at EcoTune in Glasgow.

APR stage1 GTI Mk7
 
Reading the post it seems that that say to avoid TD1 then get it flashed back to stock prior to dealer work being done.

But don't offer a quick/easy way of flashing back to stock... painful.

Also would this not bump up the flash counter? Thus flagging TD1?
 
I understand the concerns about TD1 fkag/warranty.. but i mean, we are grown ups (some) and know this game.. true enthusiast wont worry about warranty issues. And I mean, I've had my ibiza FR flashed for five years and everything was ok.. never blew my engine.

Reflashing is getting more and more complicated, guess is the price we'll have to pay.

My 2 cents...
 
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See dyno of APR Stage 1 on a Golf Mk7 GTI, remapped and rollered at EcoTune in Glasgow.

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Thanks for that - If im reading the plots correctly, i'd be inclined to ignore the headline figures as the car looks well up on factory to start with suggesting the rollers arent giving a true value.

Still +73hp/ 91ft-Ibs is impressive but we're seeing this from tuning boxes which are untraceable when removed so why **** you're warranty up?
 
I think its the manner in which you skin the cat that's important.

It looks like some tuning boxes just spoof boost, so in effect, just obtains the increase in performance simply by increasing turbo boost. Sometimes this has knock on effects, for example, snapping the throttle plate shut may cause compressor surge etc., or drivability issues are certain loads or speeds.

The MTM box and harness looks to be connecting more sensors, so potentially this is a more sophisticated box, but without the details I can't say for sure.

A true ECU remap can/should be a more sophisticated solution, where you can vary many more parameters, eg: fuelling, ignition timing, injector duration etc. so is seen as less of a sledgehammer approach than just keeping more boost in.
 
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