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There are different types of control modules in vehicles. To that end, on
modern cars, there can be "CAN" protocol modules, and "UDS" protocol
modules. The Airbag module is a UDS version. The Engine Control Module is
also a UDS type module. With these types of modules, VCDS has to identify
the specific module and then uses a "ROD" file to interpret the data from
the module into something useful for us to look at. However, the Airbag is
not reporting a part number. This is what your report shows:


---------snip-(your scan)----------------------------
Address 15: Airbags () Labels: None
Component: AirbagVW-AU10 0410
Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 55A5D78534A88DB6975-8000
---------snip-(your scan)----------------------------

We should see something more like this:

---------snip-(sample scan)-------------------------- Address 15: Airbags
(J234) Labels: 8K0-959-655.clb Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 B HW: 8K0 959 655 B
Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H26 0410
Serial number: 0038JD127MYN
Coding: 30323433363030303030554A305238543053
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 A02007
ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_AU48.rod
VCID: 3C7C36AE4031B1FC
---------snip-(sample scan)--------------------------

Since your Airbag module is not reporting a part number, I'm thinking the
module itself might not be to factory design. A few things that come to
mind that could cause something like this... voltage issues could damage the
module... and we've seen cases where low quality (junk) scan tools can
damage control modules.

The first fault code that is listed, 13697280, that DTC number looks to be a
Component Protection: Active code. Component Protection is something that
only the dealer can resolve.

U1101 - Ross-Tech Wiki

Regards.

Jef
Ross Tech Support Team
http://www.ross-tech.com

On 10/27/2013 8:09 AM, Nathan Kowalski wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Could you help with these ROD files? Unsure as to what they mean?
>
> Many Thanks & Yours Sincerely,
>
> Nathan
>
> M: 07940 006419
>
> W: Kowalski Details - Innovative Automotive Care <Kowalski Details - Innovative Automotive Care>
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>
> sIG 3
>


Friday,25,October,2013,14:56:36:43483
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 12.12.0.0
Data version: 20130910


- BEFORE
Mileage: 130310km-80970mi Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: 8K (8T0)
Scan: 01 03 05 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 42 46 47 52 53 56 62 72

Mileage: 130310km/80970miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010 10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status:
OK 0000 15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010 16-Steering wheel -- Status:
OK 0000 17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000 19-CAN Gateway -- Status:
Malfunction 0010 42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000 46-Central Conv.
-- Status: Malfunction 0010 47-Sound System -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000 53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010 62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000

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Address 01: Engine (J623-CAGA) Labels: 03L-906-022-CAG.clb
Part No SW: 03L 906 022 B HW: 03L 906 022 B
Component: R4 2,0L EDC H01 3210
Revision: --H01---
Coding: 0104002C18072118
Shop #: WSC 99999 102 20971
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI03L906022B A01014
ROD: EV_ECM20TDI03L906022B.rod
VCID: 2443BA412F72243ED0B-8071

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 8K0-907-379.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 AQ HW: 8K0 907 379 AQ
Component: ESP8 front H03 0210
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 164D00
Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
VCID: 881B4EF13B9A605E5C3-80DD

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393) Labels: 8K0-907-064-05.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 C HW: 8K0 907 064 C
Component: BCM2 1.1 H70 0134
Revision: 00002001
Coding: 031100
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 306B4611638A889E243-8065

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 959 754 D HW: 8T0 959 754 D
Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG H37 0060

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 C HW: 8K0 905 852 C
Component: ELVAUDIB8 H35 0039

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255) Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 8T2 820 043 M HW: 8T2 820 043 M
Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H05 0120
Revision: D0000000 Serial number: 0118.02.080615
Coding: 34040000
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 3C736221BFC27CFE88B-8069

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 HW: 8K0 907 063
Component: BCM1 1.0 H21 0253
Revision: 01021001 Serial number: 00000000099704
Coding: 690040F100148F000001000000005F5D001D020800000141000000
Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
VCID: ECD312610F22AC7ED8B-80B9

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K2 955 119 HW: 8T2 955 119 Labels:
1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: WWS 180208 H05 0060
Coding: 00FD11

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 955 559 HW: 8K0 955 559 Labels:
8K0-955-559.CLB
Component: RLS H04 0003
Coding: 025028

Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 G HW: 8K0 941 531 G
Component: E1 - LDS H07 0070

1 Fault Found:
02095 - Component Protection Active
000 - - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 55
Reset counter: 48
Mileage: 130156 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2013.10.20
Time: 13:45:00


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446) Labels: 8K0-919-475.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 919 475 B HW: 8K0 919 475
Component: PARKHILFE 4K H06 0010
Revision: 11001001 Serial number: 75330805611040
Coding: 000003
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 387B7E318BFA50DE6C3-806D

No fault code found.

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---
Address 15: Airbags () Labels: None
Component: AirbagVW-AU10 0410
Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 55A5D78534A88DB6975-8000

No ASAM data for: "" (AU48)
7 Faults Found:
13697280 - ROD - Unknown Error Code
- 00 [129]
MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 15

13636352 - ROD - Unknown Error Code
- 00 [129]
MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 15

13636096 - ROD - Unknown Error Code
- 00 [129]
MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 15

10485833 - ROD - Unknown Error Code
- 00 [129]
MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 15

10485769 - ROD - Unknown Error Code
- 00 [129]
MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 15

10485829 - ROD - Unknown Error Code
- 00 [129]
MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 15

10485908 - ROD - Unknown Error Code
- 00 [129]
MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 15


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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527) Labels: 8K0-953-568.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 F HW: 8K0 953 568 F
Component: Lenks.Modul H10 0012
Revision: -------- Serial number: 90304HBI0009D
Coding: 000016
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 3D756F25A4D875F6BF5-8068

Component: E221 - MFL H02 0003

No fault code found.

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---
Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 920 980 B HW: 8K0 920 980 B
Component: KOMBIINSTR. H14 0216
Revision: 00100000 Serial number: 7BY17WT28
Coding: 2F1F080003002600010001
Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
VCID: 316D4315688081962BD-8064

No fault code found.

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---
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: 8T0-907-468.clb
Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 D HW: 8T0 907 468 D
Component: GW-BEM 5CAN H04 0084
Revision: GA801030 Serial number: 3000G082018233
Coding: 000003
Shop #: WSC 00544 210 91416
VCID: 428F1CD9DD260A0EC27-8017

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 B HW: 8K0 915 181 B
Component: J367-BDM H03 0150

1 Fault Found:
02095 - Component Protection Active
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 25
Reset counter: 19
Mileage: 130145 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2013.10.18
Time: 18:06:03


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386) Labels: 8K0-959-793.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 C HW: 8K0 959 793 A
Component: TSG FA H10 0170
Revision: Serial number: 0000006882751
Coding: 011202205401410001
Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
VCID: 408B16D1D32A181ED43-8015

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393) Labels: 8K0-907-064-46.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 C HW: 8K0 907 064 C
Component: BCM2 1.1 H70 0134
Revision: 00002001 Serial number: 0109848499
Coding: 011F062000390440012001
Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
VCID: 306B4611638A889E243-8065

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8K0 951 177
Component: DWA-Sensor H02 0030

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
Component: LIN BACKUP HO H03 1301

2 Faults Found:
02615 - Fuel Tank Cap; Lock
009 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 59
Mileage: 130145 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2013.10.18
Time: 18:11:02

02616 - Fuel Tank Cap; Unlock
009 - Open or Short to Ground
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 3
Reset counter: 11
Mileage: 130145 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2013.10.18
Time: 18:11:14


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Address 47: Sound System (J525) Labels: 8T0-035-223-ASC.clb
Part No SW: 8T0 035 223 J HW: 8T0 035 223
Component: DSP STD H07 0210
Revision: S1700000
Coding: 0203010101
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 356577059CE8ADB6775-8060

1 Fault Found:
02095 - Component Protection Active
000 - - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 48
Mileage: 130156 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2013.10.19
Time: 14:22:34

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 12.20 V
Temperature: 14.0°C
Bin. Bits: 00000001


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387) Labels: 8K0-959-792.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 C HW: 8K0 959 792 A
Component: TSG BF H10 0170
Revision: Serial number: 0000006862672
Coding: 011202204401410001
Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
VCID: 3F89152DAED467E6AD9-806A

No fault code found.

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---
Address 53: Parking Brake (J540) Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 D HW: 8K0 907 801 D
Component: EPB Audi B8 H04 0050
Revision: 00000003 Serial number: 00000000087441
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 306B4611638A889E243-8065

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503) Labels: 8Tx-035-1xx-56.clb
Part No SW: 8T2 035 186 B HW: 8T2 035 186 B
Component: Concert3 H11 0130
Revision: 00000510 Serial number: AUZ5Z6H1027235
Coding: 0002008001010D02435B070000
Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
VCID: 37797D0D86E45FA6659-8062

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 603 A HW: 8T0 919 603 A
Component: Display

1 Fault Found:
02095 - Component Protection Active
000 - - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 48
Mileage: 130156 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2013.10.19
Time: 14:22:35


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388) Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 A HW: 8K0 959 795 A
Component: TSG HL H06 0170
Revision: Serial number: 0000006861532
Coding: 010002204001210001
Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
VCID: 408B16D1D32A181ED43-8015

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389) Labels: 8K0-959-794.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 959 794 A HW: 8K0 959 795 A
Component: TSG HR H06 0170
Revision: Serial number: 0000006856034
Coding: 010002204001210001
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 3F89152DAED467E6AD9-806A

No fault code found.

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Above is the scan N8 did for me and ross tech help

So, what do you all think?
Is it a knackered module due to voltage? Or is it got component protection active?
only reason I ask is if you look at the scan there are a few faults which show component protection active but the module can still be read.
Where is the airbag module located on the b8 ?
does anyone know what the correct part number should be?
with there being a few component protections active, will audi charge per module to correct or just an hourly rate?
will the airbags still work In a crash with the way it is now?
Sorry for all the questions
cheers
 
Can someone help with the location of the air bag module on my b8 and what the correct part number is, please. Just want to check it's the rigt module and no cables have come loose before taking it to audi to get the component protection possibility looked at.
 
hollow said:
looks to me like the airbag module has had the crash data reset .
Click to expand...
thanks for the reply.
Does that mean the module is knackered and a new one is needed? Why would it not show parts number when it's scanned and logs?
 
it could be for a few reasons ,might be a second hand unit from another car , could be a communications problem from the unit ,it could have had the eeprom cleared to remove the evidence of a crash stored in the unit .
 
hollow said:
it could be for a few reasons ,might be a second hand unit from another car , could be a communications problem from the unit ,it could have had the eeprom cleared to remove the evidence of a crash stored in the unit .
Click to expand...
so how is best to proceed from here?
Do you know where the module is located so I can check connections and the part number?
 
Just been reading the handbook and it says the airbag light should stay lit for 2 secs when starting the car, mine doesn't light up at all
is this because it is component protection active or faulty?
Cheers
 
Last edited:
just a little update, spent all night trying to locate the module and finally found it, its located under the armrest area but you have to remove the full centre console to get access to it. anyway had a look at the module and it definitely has signs that it has been tampered with, all the security screws have been damaged. question is, why would someone need to go into the module, what have they done and can it be fixed? cheers


 
i would be examining the car for signs of an accident , the airbag module has been opened to read the eeprom data and reset it by the looks of it . poor workmanship on the module by the cowboy who's opened it
 
as above
iv sent a few off to be sorted and they come back looking good
someone has butchered that 1 to clear the memory
so really looks like your car may have had a smash at some point
or the modual failed and was fixed
 
didn't trust that module anymore, so binned it and bought a new (used) one, which I need to get the component protection removed from but as soon as I plugged it in more things started to work. i.e, the airbag sign near the hazard button lights up as it should, the red seat belt light now comes on and beeps if I don't put it on and drive, and if the seat belt isn't on then the handbrake wont auto disengage I have to manually do it
so I would definitely say some cowboy has had a go at it to disable important safety features like this
 
the seat belt warning and handbreak etc is done by VCDS etc
and not be opening the unit
id still be looking for signs of crash damage.
 
bez101 said:
the seat belt warning and handbreak etc is done by VCDS etc
and not be opening the unit
id still be looking for signs of crash damage.
Click to expand...
i know they are vcds options but with the old module changing the codes did nothing. I'm not ruling out it's been in a crash but someone had definitely done something which stopped the seat belt/ seat from knowing it's occupied and the air bag lights would never light up
ill have a good look at weekend but I did give it a good going over when I bought it for signs of damage
 
open the old 1 up and post a picture
 
bez101 said:
open the old 1 up and post a picture
Click to expand...
I did mate before I binned it but had to drill the middle screw out and cought the pcb with the drill bit.
This was the only obvious damage I could see,
I'll try and grab it in the morning and post a pic
 
here are the pics of the module, ignore the hole in the middle I did that :keule:




 
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