2013 A3 1.8 TFSI remap ?

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Hi guys,

I've just bought a new A3 1.8 TFSI and was wondering if there was a remap available for this new engine style yet ?

I've had a look on the revo website and googled it but couldn't find anything suitable for the new engine.

As standard they run 180bhp so I'm hoping with a remap it would be pushing 220bhp with a decent setup ?

If anyone has any info that would be great :)

Casey
 
Hi, I think the engine and car is a little new for a remap yet, have you tried e-mailing Superchips who have a good reputation? I would also let your car get a few more miles under its belt before you remap it anyway...
 
I will get a few more miles on before remap as it only has 140 miles on the clock, but was looking for any info for the near future.
I know that super chips will develop it for free if you can supply the car as a donor but I don't fancy being the Guinea pig and would rather use Revo if possible. It is very smooth and quick as standard but I can't help think how quick it would be with a remap.
 
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Hi, where you go is totally up to you, and I wasn't suggesting anyone else. However it doesn't hurt to look around before you commit.
 
Wherever you go I will be interested to know what kind of figures they come up with, The 1.8 is plenty fast enough but I'm sure it still has more to give ;)
 
I was suprised how quick it actually is as standard. Coming from a Focus RS MK1 running 360bhp/360lbft i want to keep this car as refined as possible as its the daily drive for the wife and she has already said i cant mod it :-(
I just know it has so much more to give and a remap would release all that potential.

As its still being run it i wouldnt be doing anything until 1500 miles + but i would like to see what figures could be achieved. Im not far from Awesome GTI so may be worth popping down in a couple of months.
 
Don't forget with a re-map you void your warranty. And if you wanted to trade it in to an Audi dealer down the line seriously effect the value as they can't resell them.
 
^ I would purchase either Bluefin or another handheld option that can remove/re-install as required.
Ive never had a problem in the past with a remap on a car, i just unistalled and took it to the dealer then when it was back home put the remap on.
 
+1 as my present car has a bluefin remap, plus superchips give a one year mechanical breakdown insurance as well...
 
Casey87 said:
^ I would purchase either Bluefin or another handheld option that can remove/re-install as required.
Ive never had a problem in the past with a remap on a car, i just unistalled and took it to the dealer then when it was back home put the remap on.
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Does mapping with the bluefin leave a trace in the logs of the cars' computer box? so even if you revert to original mapping, would the dealer pick up on the diagnostic systems' history that it has been mapped?
 
Hi, probably all remaps will however the dealership wouldn't necessarily be looking unless they suspect something...
 
It would show up somewhere on the data logs but they would have to prove that the remap had caused the issue you were trying to claim against. If you go with someone bug like Revo or Bluefin you would just give them a call to sort any issues caused directly because of the remap, for anything else just take it bacK to Audi.
 
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Casey87 said:
It would show up somewhere on the data logs but they would have to prove that the remap had caused the issue you were trying to claim against. If you go with someone bug like Revo or Bluefin you would just give them a call to sort any issues caused directly because of the remap, for anything else just take it bacK to Audi.
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Please let me know what your gains are when you do the remap.
 
Do you have a manual or s-tronic gearbox? Although the bog standard 1.8TFSI can produce something like 320NM, when the car has the s-tronic box the engine is limited to 250NM because the 7-speed version can't handle more than that. Apart from the extra bhp it probably wouldn't feel any faster after remapping as the torque will still be limited to 250NM..
 
synthdood said:
Do you have a manual or s-tronic gearbox? Although the bog standard 1.8TFSI can produce something like 320NM, when the car has the s-tronic box the engine is limited to 250NM because the 7-speed version can't handle more than that. Apart from the extra bhp it probably wouldn't feel any faster after remapping as the torque will still be limited to 250NM..
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That is plain sad! :(. I am running the 7 speed dsg. In other words you are saying that if I do map it I would bear the risk of damaging the gearbox?
 
Having now taken delivery of my 8V SB 1.8 TFSI S-Tronic, I'd honestly say I don't think it needs a re-map. The power delivery is smooth and linear and, apart from changing up to 2nd gear a bit too quickly off the mark, it's quick enough - especially when you climb the revs. I'd save voiding the warranty and just enjoy what Audi created!
 
M_D_O_London said:
Having now taken delivery of my 8V SB 1.8 TFSI S-Tronic, I'd honestly say I don't think it needs a re-map. The power delivery is smooth and linear and, apart from changing up to 2nd gear a bit too quickly off the mark, it's quick enough - especially when you climb the revs. I'd save voiding the warranty and just enjoy what Audi created!
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You'll get bored of it within 6 months and want more gains. It's just not only performance but mpg can improve!
 
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Hi, one thing for sure is that I have never been bored with my remaps. Yes most dsg boxes are torque limited. But then many diesel cars have torque limitation in the 1st and 2nd gears even with a manual box...
 
Mine is a manual so it wont be an issue with the gearbox and as Cuke2u has said if youve ever had a remap on a car it totaly transforms it. huge gains can be had and you very rarely loose any MPG, if anything youll slightly gain a better MPG.

I would expect to see 220bhp & 230lb/ft from someone like Revo, probably the company i'll go with or Bluefin with a handset would be interesting .

I am happy with the current power delivery but think it needs a bit more pull in the gears as 180lb/ft isnt much theese days.
Its also one of the reasons i went for the manual as i had heard that the gearbox in the S-tronic was torque limited, im sure there will be an upgrade for this though for our S-tronic users out there.
 
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Hi, I've always got better mpg with a remap because the increase in torque means you can also drive the car more 'lazily' with a manual box. it might not be the same with the dsg as it is less 'intuitive' than a driver can be with a manual.
 
97catalunya said:
Why do you think they fitted the 7 speed S-Tronic to the 2WD and 6 speed on the Quattro?
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There a 3 main types of s-tronic box.

1 for longitudinal mounted engines and RWD
2 for transverse mounted engines ( 6 speed & 7speed)


The 6-speed S-tronic (for transverse mounted engine) has a higher torque rating but that's not the reason for the 1.8T Quattro. it also has an additional driveshaft coupling on the side to allow for the driveshaft to the rear wheels. The 7 speed only has those for FWD.

John.
 
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JohnnyM100 said:
There a 3 main types of s-tronic box.

1 for longitudinal mounted engines and RWD
2 for transverse mounted engines ( 6 speed & 7speed)


The 6-speed S-tronic (for transverse mounted engine) has a higher torque rating but that's not the reason for the 1.8T Quattro. it also has an additional driveshaft coupling on the side to allow for the driveshaft to the rear wheels. The 7 speed only has those for FWD.

John.
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Ah that makes perfect sense thanks John :)
 
synthdood said:
Do you have a manual or s-tronic gearbox? Although the bog standard 1.8TFSI can produce something like 320NM, when the car has the s-tronic box the engine is limited to 250NM because the 7-speed version can't handle more than that. Apart from the extra bhp it probably wouldn't feel any faster after remapping as the torque will still be limited to 250NM..
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So i was doing some reading and apparently the 7 speed dsg gearbox has a torque limit of 600Nm ?

In late 2008, an all-new seven-speed longitudinal[SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][13][/SUP] S tronic[SUP][13][/SUP] version of the DSG transaxle went into series production (Volkswagen Group internal code: DL501, parts code prefix: 0B5).[SUP][8][/SUP] Initially, from early 2009, it is only used in certain Audi cars, and only with longitudinally mounted engines. Like the original six-speed DSG, it features a concentric dual wet multi-plate clutch.[SUP][13][/SUP] However, this particular variant uses notably more plates — the larger outer clutch (for the odd-numbered gears) uses 10 plates, whereas the smaller inner clutch (driving even-numbered gears and reverse) uses 12 plates.[SUP][13][/SUP] Another notable change over the original transverse DSGs is the lubrication system[SUP][14][/SUP][SUP][15][/SUP] — Audi now utilise two totally separate oil circuits.[SUP][13][/SUP] One oil circuit, consisting of 7.5 litres (1.65 imp gal; 1.98 US gal), lubricates the hydraulic clutches and mechatronics with fully synthetic specialist automatic transmission fluid (ATF),[SUP][13][/SUP] whilst the other oil circuit lubricates the gear trains and front and centre differentials with 4.3 litres (0.95 imp gal; 1.14 US gal) of conventional hypoid gear oil.[SUP][13][/SUP] This dual circuit lubrication is aimed at increasing overall reliability, due to eliminating cross-contamination of debris and wear particles.[SUP][13][/SUP] It has a torque handling limit of up to 600 N·m (440 lb·ft),[SUP][7][/SUP] and engine power outputs of up to 330 kW (450 PS; 440 bhp).[SUP][7][/SUP] It has a total mass, including all lubricants and the dual-mass flywheel of 141.5 kg (312 lb).[SUP][7][/SUP]
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So i was doing some reading and apparently the 7 speed dsg gearbox has a torque limit of 600Nm ?
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That S-tronic box is for longitudinally mounted engines with rear wheel drive.

I read somewhere that the transverse 7 speed S-tronic box was re-rated at 280Nm but that's still not enough compared to the remap.

John.
 
JohnnyM100 said:
That S-tronic box is for longitudinally mounted engines with rear wheel drive.

I read somewhere that the transverse 7 speed S-tronic box was re-rated at 280Nm but that's still not enough compared to the remap.

John.
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ohhh thanks for clarifying that for me Johnny, according to the same page on the transverse gearboxes, it says
In September 2010, VW launched a new seven-speed DSG built to support 500 N·m (370 lb·ft), the DQ500. Its first use was in the Audi TT-RS
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could that not have been the one in the A3 as well? (high hopes:wub:)
 
Just a FYI: the quattro version uses a 6 speed s-tronic, the manual a 7 speed....
 
So if the polo gti 6r is so successful with being remapped and thrown over its torque limit I don't see why the a3 1.8tfsi dsg should be restricted.
 
I understand that VW are having some challenges with the 7 speed box. It appears not to like too much torque - and this is from standard cars.
Allegedly a significant number have been replaced under warranty and at least one taxi company ( in Scotland? ) have refused to run Passats with 7 speed S tronic boxes following a series of breakdowns. (??)


Apparenty for transverse engines:
6 speed are 'wet' ie with oil in them ( you can change the oil regularly if you wish to be careful !!)
7 speed are 'dry' i.e. do not contain oil, (sealed for life - life may not be what consumers expect !! )

Anybody have information about this ?
 
Kingfisher said:
I understand that VW are having some challenges with the 7 speed box. It appears not to like too much torque - and this is from standard cars.
Allegedly a significant number have been replaced under warranty and at least one taxi company ( in Scotland? ) have refused to run Passats with 7 speed S tronic boxes following a series of breakdowns. (??)


Apparenty for transverse engines:
6 speed are 'wet' ie with oil in them ( you can change the oil regularly if you wish to be careful !!)
7 speed are 'dry' i.e. do not contain oil, (sealed for life - life may not be what consumers expect !! )

Anybody have information about this ?
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Are you sure it doesn't mean wet and dry clutches, not the boxes themselves...
 
To clear up a few points here:

1.8T Quattro petrol or 2.0 Diesel S-Tronic is 6 speed wet clutch
FWD petrol or 1.6 diesel S-Tronic is 7 speed dry clutch
Both have oil in the gears. The wet/dry refers to the clutch.

The rumours of a taxi company having issues with the S-Tronic and VW allegedly not covering under warranty came from one of Netherlands/Sweden/Denmark I think and with cars over 150k miles. Not sure how true it is.
Taxis tend to be diesels so the story doesn't quite sit that it's the 7-speed S-Tronic as 2.0 diesels use the 6 speed S-Tronic. Only 1.6 diesels use the 7-speed S-Tronic

You can google pretty much anything and add the word "problem" or "fault" after it and get results. Nevertheless the reports do seem a bit higher than just background noise. They also tend to be on older design boxes. Are the issues real? Who knows.

John.
 
JohnnyM100 said:
The rumours of a taxi company having issues with the S-Tronic and VW allegedly not covering under warranty came from one of Netherlands/Sweden/Denmark I think and with cars over 150k miles. Not sure how true it is.
Taxis tend to be diesels so the story doesn't quite sit that it's the 7-speed S-Tronic as 2.0 diesels use the 6 speed S-Tronic. Only 1.6 diesels use the 7-speed S-Tronic
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Taxi companies tend to take the most fuel efficient model, not the most powerful.
 
On the subject of gearboxes, what's the torque limit on the s-tronic fitted to the new S3?
 
Regarding the 7 speed S-tronic used on the 1,8 TFSi, then I believe it is the same as the VW DQ200 DSG7. Audis designation for the S-tronic is PNC which should be the same as VW's 0CW (it used to be designated 0AM before it was updated).

So if my Googling is correct, then I believe the 7 speed S-tronic is limited to 250 nm, same as the DSG7 DQ200. So unfortunately it makes the remapping a bit risky, yet still desirable :yum:
 
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Looks like APR has finally released their solution for the 1.8tfsi motor.

Gains look impressive from 132kw to 184kw!

Upgrade is suitable for manual, 6spd DSG and 7spd DSG :jump:

More info here
 
Should have bought an S3 :)
Casey87 said:
Hi guys,

I've just bought a new A3 1.8 TFSI and was wondering if there was a remap available for this new engine style yet ?

I've had a look on the revo website and googled it but couldn't find anything suitable for the new engine.

As standard they run 180bhp so I'm hoping with a remap it would be pushing 220bhp with a decent setup ?

If anyone has any info that would be great :)

Casey
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