dash clock upgrade

[jbh]

right as a few folk have read ive got myself a new set of clocks.
my car was a base model 110 TDi so it never even had an oil or volt gauge and I felt deprived..
so ive got a new set of clocks on route from an early 97 TDi quattro so it has all the extra bits on them
now its the one with no numbers on the clock which mines is the same.
so heres the info im needing..
I know once I plug them in it will give me warnings regarding washer level and the oil temp wont work. so has any one got a pin layout on to let me know what I need to add and where.
also ive got a stalk from a qts but it was removed from a face ift so I presume I need a PFL one. does anyone have one they would be willing to swap me? or sell me
also any one local willing to adjust my miles? not a major problem I cant see them being higher but I would like to keep my miles correct.

heres the new clocks

 

[@udi A3]

If you can wait till the edingboro audi meet id be happy to swap these over and correct the milage etc to suit.

 

[PAULF]

ScottB5 has done a lot on dash insert buggering abouts - there was a post somewhere about it but I Can't remember what it was called!

 

[jbh]

yea ive read through Scott's thread. http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/a4-s4-forum-b5-chassis/134267-small-project.html

I think Scott's original clocks were type 2 so im not 100% sure if a lot of his info will be right for the type 1 clocks.

 

[jbh]

If you can wait till the edingboro audi meet id be happy to swap these over and correct the milage etc to suit.

cheers bud ive replied to you're pm

 

[ScottD3]

The pin outs by Aragorn in my thread should be the same for yours and the new clocks.
Minus the gauges you are missing.

Most of it should be pretty much plug and play I think apart from the sensors you are missing.

 

[aragorn]

I dont think the pinouts i posted were for type 1 clusters?

I'll see if i can find them though.

The stalks changed in ~97, you probably have the earlier type. 98 onwards all use the same one, so the TQS part wont fit. I'll get you the PN of the stalk you need too.

Your not too far away from me if you need any help getting it working i'm sure we can meet up and have a prod.

 

[jbh]

Ill try and see if the boy i got the clocks from still has the stalk. his car was also an avant so it will have the rear wash wiper option.

if you can get pinouts that would be great.
and cheers for the offer of help. I might take you up on that if I run into problems :thumbsup:

 

[@udi A3]

After re reading, ignore that price in pm, if its just milage correction just meet me at that meet and prove your milage if i need to reduce it, should only take a few moments, i was thinking you needed to key match etc, but immo1 i dont think you do.

 

[jbh]

After re reading, ignore that price in pm, if its just milage correction just meet me at that meet and prove your milage if i need to reduce it, should only take a few moments, i was thinking you needed to key match etc, but immo1 i dont think you do.

im pretty sure the clocks will go in and allow the car to run for what ive read. as you say its immo 1.
I don't think you'll need to reduce it. my cars got 246k

 

[@udi A3]

pop along to the edinboro met then if you can

 

[jbh]

well ive stuck them into see what will happen.. the miles on the is 230k my cars on 247k.. so that doesn't make a major difference.
im getting bulb warning, washer level, right hand indicator not lighting up on the dash ( ive tried changing the bulb ) and the air bag lights come on.. ( [FONT=verdana, arial, geneva, sans-serif]01025 - Trigger for On Board Diagnostic Lamp: Malfunction ) and to top it off... the LCD is perfect..
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[FONT=verdana, arial, geneva, sans-serif]ive only got 2 plugs behind my dash I don't have the 20 pin black plug.
[/FONT]I would like to get these working but I have a feeling there may be an issue with the clocks. hence the indacaitor and airbag light coming on.. unless anyone else has an idea? ive left them in the now as I would like to see if the MPG works

 

[jbh]

 

[ScottD3]

I got a spare 20pin black plug is you want it mate.

 

[ScottD3]

Any good? Pin assignment at multi-pin connectors on instrument cluster - vehicles up to model year 1997

Multi-pin connector, 26-pin, blue 1 - Not used 2 - Buzzer activation 3 - Terminal 15 4 - Terminal 15 5 - Not used 6 - Terminal 61 7 - Handbrake/brake fault 8 - ABS (direct) 9 - Airbag (direct) 10 - CAT 11 - ABS (inverted) 12 - Airbag (inverted) 13 - Right parking light 14 - Ignition lock S contact 15 - Not used 16 - Not used 17 - Gong activation 18 - Oil pressure 1.8 bar 19 - Terminal 58d 20 - Coolant level 21 - Turn signal (right-side) 22 - Main beams 23 - Speedometer input 24 - Brake fluid 25 - Brake pad 26 - Left parking light

Multi-pin connector, 26-pin, yellow 1 - Terminal 58 2 - Terminal 58 3 - Engine speed signal 4 - Air conditioner compressor 5 - Clock - output 6 - Road speed signal 1 7 - Road speed signal 2 8 - Door contact, driver's side 9 - Terminal 30 10 - Terminal 30 11 - Not used 12 - Fuel tank warning 13 - Turn signal (left-side) 14 - Not used 15 - Not used 16 - Belt buckle switch 17 - Not used 18 - Terminal 31 19 - Terminal 31 20 - Diagnosis lead 21 - Not used 22 - Not used 23 - Glow period warning lamp 24 - Immobiliser 25 - Fuel gauge sender 26 - Coolant temperature sender

Multi-pin connector, 20-pin, black 1 - Fuel consumption signal 2 - Not used 3 - Not used 4 - Not used 5 - Ambient temperature 6 - Gear selection indicator 7 - Not used 8 - Not used 9 - Coolant level 10 - Hydraulic pressure 11 - On-board computer: reset 12 - Radio/telephone - clock 13 - Radio/telephone - data 14 - On-board computer, left 15 - Radio/telephone - enable 16 - Tail lights / dipped beams 17 - Glow plug relay 18 - On-board computer, right 19 - Brake light 20 - Not used

Multi-pin connector, 4-pin, black 1 - Oil temperature sender 2 - Not used 3 - Not used 4 - Not used

 

[ScottD3]

Pin assignment at multi-pin connectors on instrument cluster - vehicles from model year 1998

Multi-pin connector, 32-pin, blue 1 - Terminal 15 2 - Turn signal (right-side) 3 - Speedometer output 1 4 - Not used 5 - Fuel gauge sender 6 - Airbag 7 - Terminal 31 (sensor earth) 8 - Coolant temperature 9 - Terminal 31 (load earth) 10 - Oil pressure switch 11 - Engine speed signal 12 - Terminal 61 13 - Glow period warning lamp or CAT 14 - Self-levelling suspension 15 - Terminal 58d 16 - Trailer turn signal / fault in engine electrical system 17 - Main beams 18 - Turn signal (left-side) 19 - ABS 20 - Terminal 58s 21 - Door contact, driver's side 22 - Coolant level low 23 - Terminal 30 24 - Terminal 31 (load earth) 25 - K wire 26 - Right parking light 27 - Left parking light 28 - Speedometer input 29 - Brake fluid level/pressure 30 - S contact 31 - Belt buckle 32 - ESP

Multi-pin connector, 32-pin, green 1 - Not used 2 - Transponder 1 3 - Not used 4 - Immobilizer 5 - W wire 6 - Boot lid/tailgate (Lowline version only) 7 - Brake pads (Highline version only) 8 - Not used 9 - Not used 10 - Fuel tank warning output signal for engine control unit (only on 6-cylinder TDI and on export versions for USA) 11 - Standing time output 12 - Air conditioner shut-off 13 - Handbrake 14 - Electronic throttle 15 - Parking lights 16 - Not used 17 - Transponder 2 18 - Not used 19 - Not used 20 - Not used 21 - Oil temperature 22 - Not used 23 - Not used 24 - Not used 25 - Not used 26 - Not used 27 - Not used 28 - Not used 29 - Terminal 58d (external dimmer potentiometer) 30 - Speedometer output 2 31 - Not used 32 - Not used

Multi-pin connector, 20-pin, red 1 - Fuel consumption signal 2 - Not used 3 - Not used 4 - Not used 5 - Ambient temperature 6 - Selector lever position indicator 7 - Not used 8 - Not used 9 - Washer fluid low 10 - Hydraulic pressure 11 - On-board computer reset 12 - Clock signal for radio frequency display 13 - Data signal for radio frequency display 14 - On-board computer, left 15 - Enable signal for radio frequency display 16 - Tail lights / dipped beams (bulb monitor) 17 - Glow plug relay (on TDI engines the low-voltage monitor in the instrument cluster is disabled while the glow plugs are activated) 18 - On-board computer, right 19 - Brake light 20 - Not used

 

[ScottD3]

Is this of any use for the bulb?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/65lq7378x9tiwk2/1997 cluster bulbs.xps

I added the 97 and 98 pins out just in case it helps but the 97 looks totally different to 98.
Just checking 96

Edit: Can't find any thing on anything older than 97.

 

[aragorn]

98 is for cars with immo, so it wont be that.

I'd check its actually plugged in properly first of all!

 

[jbh]

yea im thinking ill double check the blue plug. as I know it was a bit of a pain to do and im seeing that that's the one with the airbag and turn signals on it.

the boy I got the clocks from did say one of the turn signal lights didint work..
I might ask him if his airbag light was on.

 

[jbh]

I got a spare 20pin black plug is you want it mate.

think I will need this Scott. :thumbsup:
I would like to get the extras working on it.

Ill just need to find out exactly where to wire it to