Good work 45bvtc!
Now... do you know how to fix sagging bucket seats??
Audi seems to think there is no issue there either!!
This is the clip that I sent to Coulsdon Audi a couple of months ago. Prompted a new set of discs and pads to be fitted under warranty but the squeal is back now...
Well done monkeyboy_marcus; I'll put a fiver (£5) on it that the pistons have worn through the paint and now in direct contact with the steel backing of the brake pad and showing a shiny metal surface contacts, like so:
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And your video was taken on a nice DRY road, too!
I calculate it takes 500 to 1250-miles for the pistons to wear through the paint and then the brakes start squealing. Think about it, the replacement pads didn't squeal on day one, only after you'd done 500 or so miles. And the brakes on new cars don't squeal, either. It's all adding up to this being the problem.
Well, I test drove the car @ 1.5k miles and there was no squeal. I bought it with 1.9k miles and there was a slight squeal a couple of times a day and this increased in frequency up to about 3k miles (see clip above), then plateaued until the front discs and pads were changed under warranty @ 5k miles. Up to about 5.5k miles there was an occasional whisper of squeal that you would only notice if you listened hard/knew the conditions/speed were probably right for it to occur. Now at circa 6.5k miles it is back again, not quite as loud as before but on dry days with as much frequency as before.
With the squeal back the car is really unpleasant to drive around town and I'd rather drive my lasses Golf. £40k is a lot to pay for a car with this sort of issue and for that price I'd expect Audi to prioritise a fix - been about 4 months since I first reported it...
I think it time you posted your letter from Martin Sander, Director of Audi UK, so that we can ALL be advised of his authorised response to this issue. I for one would love to see it, an ex Technical Director myself.
.So it basically is everybody that ownes an RS3
1. elton121272
2. CatnipRS3
3. SGJ
4. JonnyG
5. Macdaddy
6. 45bvtc
7. jamseyd24
8. HullRs3
9. CarrG
10. geek
11. S3 AD
Does any one own an RS3 that doesnt have musical front brakes?
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Yes ...Me....dont use them much though.
I got a call yesterday from my Audi dealership that the factory are 'due' to announce a 'fix' for the problem this Friday (14th Dec)
I said 'due'?....Hmmm!
I'll let you know the outcome of the call I have been promised on Friday.
Just a side note 45bvtc...when I spoke with Audi UK last week they said they had issued a bulletin to all dealers NOT to do any fixes, repairs or whatever that relates to the 'squeaking brake' issue...any fix after Nov 23rd will void any further warranty work relating to brakes until an official 'fix' comes from Germany.
My car was booked in for my dealership to try the 'Copperslip' method but they called 2 days before to say they can no longer do it.
Might be worth checking with your dealer 45bvtc to check you are still covered after the mods you have done.
Regards
Just a side note 45bvtc...when I spoke with Audi UK last week they said they had issued a bulletin to all dealers NOT to do any fixes, repairs or whatever that relates to the 'squeaking brake' issue...any fix after Nov 23rd will void any further warranty work relating to brakes until an official 'fix' comes from Germany.
My car was booked in for my dealership to try the 'Copperslip' method but they called 2 days before to say they can no longer do it.
Might be worth checking with your dealer 45bvtc to check you are still covered after the mods you have done.
Regards
Very interesting, as I had a long conversation with the Coulsdon Audi workshop manager yesterday afternoon, who said more or less the same thing (although "may" void, not "will" void necessarily). I'm due to meet with the business manager for this branch next week and will report back on any feedback...
Just applied my brake-squeal resolution to a second RS3 (2500-miles from new and with serious brake squeal) and found the same/similar issues as my own car:
1) All brake pads were dry and very tight in the calipers; I had to carefully knock each pad out from its housing within the caliper.
2) On each brake pad the brake pistons had practically worn through the anti-squeal backing.
3) The back of each pad was cleaned with a suitable solvent and a Mintex self-adhesive anti-squeal pad attached.
4) Each pad had a smear of Copperslip added to both the edges of the pad and the contact area of the brake piston.
5) Pads refitted, sliding easily into the caliper.
6) Total time of work for both calipers was 1.1/4 hours - into the garage and out.
7) 8-mile road test to include 5 to 0mph approaches to at least six town centre speed humps.
Result = ZERO brake squeal
The RS3's owner will monitor and report/post effectiveness of the applied resolution.
Happy Christmas to all.
Well-done Kohaku:
The production date for my RS3 is 30th June 2011 (before yours, even). My car was registered 12th September 2011 and I purchased 6th October 2011 with delivery miles only.
My RS3 has now 3600 miles on the odometer; it will be staying with me for a long, long time.
Fortunately, for me, my brake squeal is now FULLY sorted: I NOW understand the cause of the brake squeal and its resolution.
From Audi's perspective, brake squeal is not a safety critical issue; I therefore do not believe Audi, or Mr. Martin Sander, Director of Audi UK, even, will address the issue.
As a hands-on automotive engineer of long standing, I believe the arrangement pattern of the anti-squeal pad affixed to the back of the Audi original brake pad to be a design fault; the anti-squeal pad misses completely the contact patch of the brake piston(s), and this due most probably to the 'designer' not understanding the function of the anti-squeal material and/or lack of hands-on in-service knowledge: and we ALL make mistakes, rectifying the mistake is the hard bit, Audi.
It's also worth noting that the development/road test engineers at the time may not have encountered the brake-squeal issue, as most will have been driving the car balls-out (an engineering term, obviously) and not have been concerned with vehicle retardation at car park/shopping speeds, as we are.
However, I estimate the cost of four self-adhesive anti-squeal shims (to Audi) to be less than £15/car, and less than 2-hours in service time to apply (even I can do it in 2-hours, or thereabouts, and I'm a pensioner...).
Keep up the pressure guys, it's up to you; but rember, MY BRAKES DON'T SQUEAL ANYMORE...
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Were the anti squeal shims put in or just Copperslip?
Sadly, you have to add me to the list. I've only just seen this post. Mine has 3k miles so far and has been perfect, apart from the ****** brake squeal which stared a few hundred miles ago. I had read about overheating brakes, but I doubted that was the cause because the brakes squeal starts when they are warm ( eg after 10mins). Anyway, booked into the Audi dealer I bought the car from. They test drove it, it made no noises. They checked the car quite thoroughly and told me it was perfect. So I then took the "technician" out in the car, and ****** me, the brakes didn't squeal. (I mentioned the overheating issue I'd heard about and he said there was a fix for that and my car had already had that at the factory when it was built).
Having now read this post, I think I'll forward it to the dealer and get my car back in. I've had a lot of quick cars, and only two have ever had noisy brakes, one had ceramic brakes and they were a nightmare with a sort of graunching noise ( but incredibly effective), the other was a track car which had very hard pads and made a very loud squeal but only when they were very hot.
Cheers
nick
I have also been told....the delay is also due to the fact Audi's brake supplier for the RS3 & TTRS is Brembo and they are working with the guys there, rather than this just being an Audi made part/s. ie: 2 parties involved!
Roll on Friday!
I've just purchased an RS3 from Audi Approved and the squeal can be awful at times. Can you add me to the list please. I will be speaking to my local Audi Dealer about it. I don't want to be getting someone using copperslip etc if it affects the warranty.