what about a reply on here ?
As im intrested in getting one
AMD quote about £750 inc fitting
If you make changes to the OEM suspension where it understeers less, then you will likely have other side effects like throttle lift oversteer, which to many will be much worse than some understeer. In a haldex based system, when changing suspension components like bigger RSB in order to make it have less understeer, you are actually the rear tires have less overall grip, thus balancing out the rear slip with the front slip. Thus you will have less overall grip, and having less rear grip will more easily upset the cars balance when lifting off the throttle, bringing the tail out.its not really worth considering till youve got the rest of your suspension sorted, so either coilovers or uprated & matched dampers & springs as well as ARBs
those alone will get rid of most of the understeer and the haldex controller will deal with most of the rest, its also transfers torque to the rear a lot faster then the OEM system, but you need the uprated suspension to make the most of it
parts are about £700 plus a couple hours fitting
thats me paraphrasing from conversations with and reading Alex's previous posts
You mean lift off oversteer. which is exactly what I am saying. Less traction in the rear to balance off the front understeer, when the front understeer disappears (as in lifting the throttle), will result in oversteer.The old golf! One of the cars (although one of my favourites) that is prone to the most massive scary lift off understeer of any FWD I've ever driven
Suspension setup will not improve the oversteer/understeer capability, if it does affect it, it will exacerbate the problem since turn in will be much faster, increasing initial understeer, whose traction you might never regain given this is a FWD based 4WD system., youre talking techno garbage now dude.. It's just nonsense.. Ask anyone on here with coilys and arbs and I'm sure they won't tell you their car handles worse!! lol.. The trade off you get with these components is generally a shorter life on them due to them being stiffer and transferring more stress on our crap roads...
I got a haldex performance controller on my car, and I've driven it hard in the snow, rain and dry. Tested haldex in all scenarios, such as brake and sudden smash of throttle in mid corner, light throttle then mash the throttle....Have you ever driven a car with a haldex performance controller out of interest?
Ok you guys win.. We're arguing different points here so I give up..
and adding a fatter rear anti roll bar does not simply make the car grip less at the back.. i think you are the one who needs to do a little more research lolLWNY is perfectly correct in my opinion.
What I take from it is that stiffer rear arb=less rear grip. Lift of oversteer proves this, simple.
There is plenty of info online on this and thicker arbs are definitely not always better.
I have a quattro with H&R springs and arb's and at the stiff setting(front and rear) imo there is less overall grip, but less body roll makes the car feel nicer to drive.
and adding a fatter rear anti roll bar does not simply make the car grip less at the back.. i think you are the one who needs to do a little more research lol
This I totally agree with.. all of it.. settled?Adding rear ARB makes the inner rear wheel have less grip and eventually lift if the ARB is big enough. Besides lift oversteer, you will also be giving a driving wheel less grip, and likely for it to spin given it having less grip than the outer rear wheel. With the rear open diff, you basically will lose power to all the rear wheels.
Anyway, as eddyd said, the haldex controller gives the rear wheel more driving power. Suspension upgrade doesn't do much to overall balance of the car. rear ARB give the tail less grip, thus giving the impression of more balance, at the same time having unintended side effects. Some might like that effect cuz it take the tail out, but then some like to pull the parking brakes to do drifting too.
If I have lift off oversteer that I didn't have before, surely the rear cannot have as much grip?
Enlighten me with your knowledge.
This I also agree with, but this is not ALL stiffening the rear arb does...
Let it snow, let it snow...
I would like to bring up this thread again.
This time lets talking about the Haldex performance controller. I am about to order.
What kind of switching method do you use? Wire with a switch or the remote controlled one?
I am all for the stock look, and do not want any odd looking switch in my dash. A nice switch to be integrated in the centre console that is easy to activate would be perfect. Something tike the Sport button for the magnetic ride suspension or a switch like for the heated seats. 1-2-3 to select the complete program.
Does any one have the cable switch type? I've would like to know if it is only a 4 wire switch, where on is common to be switched on to the three others in steps. If this is the case a new stock like switch should be easy to fine. Or?
If some one have a picture of there setup to post I would be happy.
The snow is falling down, and I will be reunited with my car in 10 days. can't wait to test here.
My care is equipped with the Haldex 4 generation. I have only tested the Haldex 2gen on the snow. Any one with experience on this in the stock setup?
J
It can be done whilst running.....it's also recommended not to run it in race mode continuously,but I can't say whether the transfer box wear I had on mine was down to that or simply the torque it's now running!Thanks S3Alexhow is it during changes of the program?Can it be don on the fly or only during startup?Hase any on filmed the different on snow?
It can be done whilst running.....it's also recommended not to run it in race mode continuously,but I can't say whether the transfer box wear I had on mine was down to that or simply the torque it's now running!
Manual,about 460bhp and 440lbs.I've prob missed it somewhere but what sort of torque are you running and is this on a manual or a dsg?