Fault codes on New K Module ..Help ?

[J.R.]

I've just changed my Module from an A to a K. I'm getting faults on Rear Fog Light & Rear Reverse Light. My Interior lights don't work also...

I'm getting these fault codes on VCDS:

Saturday,14,March,2009,19:51:55:26365
VCDS Version: Beta 812.4

Address 09: Cent. Elect.
Control Module Part Number: 8P0 907 279 K
Component and/or Version: Bordnetz-SG H54 2501
Software Coding: 078C5F060014100040000000000000000000FE075C060000000000000000
Work Shop Code: WSC 00000
Additional Info: 8P2955119 Wischer WWS Audi350 0130
Fault Codes have been Erased

2 Faults Found
01259 - Fuel Pump Relay (J17)
009 - Open or Short to Ground
Freeze Frame
Fault Status: 01101001
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 243
Mileage: 165375 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2011.04.23
Time: 13:07:00

Freeze Frame
ON
Voltage: 12.00 V
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
OFF

00059 - Terminal 30 for Interior Lighting
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 243
Mileage: 165375 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2011.04.23
Time: 13:07:00

Freeze Frame
ON
Voltage: 12.00 V
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
OFF

 

[Khufu]

I know some of the relays have move position between the two revision, could be that?

 

[~RS~]

Hmmm, that fuel pump relay one I had before moving the relays/fuses about on the module. May well be that as Khufu says although with my new one I just put the relays into the same position my old ones were and all is working now after figuring out which ones position the washer relays went into.

Did you check what the ross wiki for the 2nd fault? The terminal 30 one?

 

[J.R.]

Yep....

Possible Symptoms
Interior Light nor working
Possible Causes
Fuse(s) faulty
Possible Solutions
Check Fuse(s)
Special Notes
When found in VW Golf (1K) or similar:
Check Fuse(s) in Dash Board and Electronic Box (Engine Compartment)
Check bolted Power Connections in Electronic Box (Engine Compartment)
Check Wiring/Connectors from/to Central Electronics Control Module
Check Power Supply Relais for Terminal 30 (J317)

 

[~RS~]

00059 - Terminal 30 for Interior Lighting

00059 - Terminal 30 for Interior Lighting: Electrical Fault in Circuit
Possible Symptoms
Interior Light nor working
Possible Causes
Fuse(s) faulty
Possible Solutions
Check Fuse(s)
Special Notes
When found in VW Golf (1K) or similar:
Check Fuse(s) in Dash Board and Electronic Box (Engine Compartment)
Check bolted Power Connections in Electronic Box (Engine Compartment)
Check Wiring/Connectors from/to Central Electronics Control Module
Check Power Supply Relais for Terminal 30 (J317)

 

[J.R.]

This is a picture of the current layout of the relays on the module :

My Fogs don't work and Rear reverse light don't work.....& my Interior lights.

 

[~RS~]

Going by the pic A8Tech posted on the other relay thread we chatted on as seeen below:

1 - Terminal 15 voltage supply relay J681- q Plug position B1
2 - Vacant q Plug position B2
3 - Heated rear window relay -J9- q Plug position B5
4 - Horn relay -J413- q Plug position B6
5 - X-contact relief relay -J59- q Plug position B9
6 - Double washer pump relay 1 -J729- q Plug position B8
7 - Double washer pump relay 2 -J730- q Plug position B7
8 - Vacant q Plug position B3
9 - Terminal 30 voltage supply relay 2 -J689- q Plug position B4

Terminal 30 relay doesn't seem to be present on your CE in the position that it displayed as supposedly being in the pic above.

I don't remember that relay being on your old CE either so kinda weird as all plugs can only go back into same place removed from... and relays went back into same place they came off your old CE, like I did with mine and all is well....

 

[Khufu]

I take it you have gone through the long coding for the CE module to make sure everything is ticked correctly? (sorry if im insulting you LOL)

 

[J.R.]

I take it you have gone through the long coding for the CE module to make sure everything is ticked correctly? (sorry if im insulting you LOL)

Yep.....Spent a couple of min...ticking and un-ticking ..to see what happens....but nothing changed.

 

[~RS~]

I was wondering the same Khufu lol...

Digzz did you check your old coding (old module) vs new coding from K module?

 

[J.R.]

I was wondering the same Khufu lol...

Digzz did you check your old coding (old module) vs new coding from K module?

This is the old coding :

Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 8P0-907-279-23-H.lbl
Part No SW: 8P0 907 279 A HW: 8P0 907 279 A*
Component: Bordnetz-SG 1.0 H27 0401
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000000074294
Coding: A5885F00A2141000000000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000

Part No: 8P2 955 119
Component: Wischer WWS Audi350 0130
Coding: 16711696
Shop #: WSC 00000

 

[Khufu]

RS, what version did you update from?

 

[J.R.]

I also did a screen shoot of this :

I don't know what relay 15 installed is thou or whats it for .....

 

[~RS~]

I upgraded from a C Khufu

 

[a8 tech back]

here is a long code from revision k

halogen lights fitted to this but may offer some insight to long code

Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 8P0-907-279-30-H.lbl
Part No SW: 8P0 907 279 K HW: 8P0 907 279 K
Component: Bordnetz-SG H54 2501
Revision: 00H54000 Serial number: 00000008015625
Coding: E1881F01B01410004F1600001600000000085E175C010000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 06314 000 08192
VCID: 458AC1EA7761

I will dig a pin out for 2008 and 2004 central electrics

2004


Pin assignment, onboard power supply control unit -J519

Connector A (11-pin)
Pin 1: Terminal 30 right
Pin 2: Dipped beam right
Pin 3: Main beam right
Pin 4: Fog light right
Pin 5: Vacant
Pin 6: Flasher front right
Pin 7: Side light front left
Pin 8: Flasher side left
Pin 9: Terminal 31 left
Pin 10: Electric fuel pump relay
Pin 11: Terminal 50 relay

Connector B (12-pin)
Pin 1: Reversing light right
Pin 2: Vacant
Pin 3: Light sensor supply
Pin 4: Fog tail light, left
Pin 5: Brake light right
Pin 6: Vacant
Pin 7: Footwell light
Pin 8: Vacant
Pin 9: Side light rear right
Pin 10: Rear right turn signal
Pin 11: Interior lighting
Pin 12: Terminal 58s

Connector C (12-pin)
Pin 1: Seat heating shut-off
Pin 2: Brake light left
Pin 3: Vacant
Pin 4: Coming Home LED
Pin 5: Vacant
Pin 6: Vacant
Pin 7: Vacant
Pin 8: Number plate light
Pin 9: Brake light centre
Pin 10: Side light rear left
Pin 11: Rear left turn signal
Pin 12: Vacant

Connector D (11-pin)
Pin 1: Terminal 30 left
Pin 2: Fog light left
Pin 3: Main beam left
Pin 4: Dipped beam left
Pin 5: Terminal 31 right
Pin 6: Vacant
Pin 7: Terminal 15 engine relay
Pin 8: Headlight washer relay
Pin 9: Flasher side right
Pin 10: Side light front right
Pin 11: Flasher front left

Connector E (16-pin)
Pin 1: Side lights switch
Pin 2: Brake light switch
Pin 3: Vacant
Pin 4: Vacant
Pin 5: Garage door opener input
Pin 6: Fog tail light switch
Pin 7: P/N without interlock switch
Pin 8: Dipped beam switch
Pin 9: Vacant
Pin 10: Vacant
Pin 11: Light sensor input
Pin 12: Coming Home potentiometer tap
Pin 13: Fog tail light switch
Pin 14: Assistance driving lights switch
Pin 15: EC mirror non-dipping
Pin 16: Light switch 0 setting

Connector F (8-pin)
Pin 1: Terminal 50 diagnosis
Pin 2: Terminal 15 engine diagnosis
Pin 3: LIN bus
Pin 4: Terminal L-alternator
Pin 5: Bonnet contact
Pin 6: Reversing light switch
Pin 7: Terminal 30 reference
Pin 8: Terminal 31 reference

Connector G (12-pin)
Pin 1: Terminal 50 switch
Pin 2: Hazard warning lights LED
Pin 3: Rear window heater LED
Pin 4: Terminal 58s potentiometer ground
Pin 5: Vacant
Pin 6: Rear window heater button
Pin 7: Convenience CAN Low
Pin 8: Convenience CAN High
Pin 9: Hazard warning lights button
Pin 10: Terminal 58s potentiometer supply
Pin 11: Terminal 15 switch
Pin 12: Terminal 58s potentiometer tap

Connector H (12-pin)
Pin 1: Vacant
Pin 2: Vacant
Pin 3: Vacant
Pin 4: Vacant
Pin 5: Vacant
Pin 6: Vacant
Pin 7: Vacant
Pin 8: Vacant
Pin 9: Vacant
Pin 10: Vacant
Pin 11: Vacant
Pin 12: Vacant

 

[a8 tech back]

2008 >
Pin assignment, onboard power supply control unit -J519

Connector A (11-pin)
Pin 1: Terminal 30 right
Pin 2: Dipped beam right
Pin 3: Main beam right
Pin 4: Fog light right
Pin 5: Vacant
Pin 6: Flasher front right
Pin 7: Side light front left
Pin 8: Flasher side left
Pin 9: Terminal 31 left
Pin 10: Electric fuel pump relay
Pin 11: Terminal 50 relay

Connector B (12-pin)
Pin 1: Reversing light right
Pin 2: Vacant
Pin 3: Light sensor supply
Pin 4: Fog tail light, left
Pin 5: Brake light right
Pin 6: Vacant
Pin 7: Footwell light
Pin 8: Vacant
Pin 9: Side light rear right
Pin 10: Rear right turn signal
Pin 11: Interior lighting
Pin 12: Terminal 58s

Connector C (12-pin)
Pin 1: Seat heating shut-off
Pin 2: Brake light left
Pin 3: Vacant
Pin 4: Coming Home LED
Pin 5: Vacant
Pin 6: Vacant
Pin 7: Vacant
Pin 8: Number plate light
Pin 9: Brake light centre
Pin 10: Side light rear left
Pin 11: Rear left turn signal
Pin 12: Vacant

Connector D (11-pin)
Pin 1: Terminal 30 left
Pin 2: Fog light left
Pin 3: Main beam left
Pin 4: Dipped beam left
Pin 5: Terminal 31 right
Pin 6: Vacant
Pin 7: Terminal 15 engine relay
Pin 8: Headlight washer relay
Pin 9: Flasher side right
Pin 10: Side light front right
Pin 11: Flasher front left

Connector E (16-pin)
Pin 1: Side lights switch
Pin 2: Brake light switch
Pin 3: Vacant
Pin 4: Vacant
Pin 5: Garage door opener input
Pin 6: Fog tail light switch
Pin 7: P/N without interlock switch
Pin 8: Dipped beam switch
Pin 9: Vacant
Pin 10: Vacant
Pin 11: Light sensor input
Pin 12: Coming Home potentiometer tap
Pin 13: Fog tail light switch
Pin 14: Assistance driving lights switch
Pin 15: EC mirror non-dipping
Pin 16: Light switch 0 setting

Connector F (8-pin)
Pin 1: Terminal 50 diagnosis
Pin 2: Terminal 15 engine diagnosis
Pin 3: LIN bus
Pin 4: Terminal L-alternator
Pin 5: Bonnet contact
Pin 6: Reversing light switch
Pin 7: Terminal 30 reference
Pin 8: Terminal 31 reference

Connector G (12-pin)
Pin 1: Terminal 50 switch
Pin 2: Hazard warning lights LED
Pin 3: Rear window heater LED
Pin 4: Terminal 58s potentiometer ground
Pin 5: Vacant
Pin 6: Rear window heater button
Pin 7: Convenience CAN Low
Pin 8: Convenience CAN High
Pin 9: Hazard warning lights button
Pin 10: Terminal 58s potentiometer supply
Pin 11: Terminal 15 switch
Pin 12: Terminal 58s potentiometer tap

Connector H (12-pin)
Pin 1: Vacant
Pin 2: Vacant
Pin 3: Vacant
Pin 4: Vacant
Pin 5: Vacant
Pin 6: Vacant
Pin 7: Vacant
Pin 8: Vacant
Pin 9: Vacant
Pin 10: Vacant
Pin 11: Vacant
Pin 12: Vacant

 

[a8 tech back]

ok check the wiring and run a output test in address 09 to check there is a feed from the pins when the test runs for interior light etc

 

[J.R.]

Comparing both of these ...there the same....But I seem to have a Problem with this connector B

Weather it's a coding thing ..or not...I ain't got a clue....I also checked to see if this connector was in properly...and it was...

Connector B (12-pin)
Pin 1: Reversing light right ---Not working
Pin 2: Vacant
Pin 3: Light sensor supply
Pin 4: Fog tail light, left -----Not working
Pin 5: Brake light right
Pin 6: Vacant
Pin 7: Footwell light
Pin 8: Vacant
Pin 9: Side light rear right
Pin 10: Rear right turn signal
Pin 11: Interior lighting ---------Not working

 

[J.R.]

ok check the wiring and run a output test in address 09 to check there is a feed from the pins when the test runs for interior light etc

How do you run a output test ?

 

[a8 tech back]

I used to have a long code simulator which helped calculate the code byte changes when not connected to the vehicle

Compare the long code from the log above byte for byte and find the interior light, see if it differs

so what isn't working now

 

[J.R.]

Pin 1: Reversing light right ---Not working
Pin 4: Fog tail light, left -----Not working
Pin 11: Interior lighting ---------Not working

Are you saying compare these 2 codes together ?

New Code : 078C5F060014100040000000000000000000FE075C06000000 0000000000
Old Code : A5885F00A2141000000000000000000000

 

[a8 tech back]

compare with this

5 door a3 without xenon

Coding: E1881F01B01410004F1600001600000000085E175C01000000 0000000000
your cod078C5F060014100040000000000000000000FE075C06000000 0000000000

I will look at the wiring diags in the morning as there not matching the pin outs for j519

 

[J.R.]

compare with this

5 door a3 without xenon

Coding: E1881F01B01410004F1600001600000000085E175C01000000 0000000000
your cod078C5F060014100040000000000000000000FE075C06000000 0000000000

I've counted 15 changes ......would I just change each digit and press Do it...to see if they start to work?

 

[a8 tech back]

Pin 1: Reversing light right ---Not working
Pin 4: Fog tail light, left -----Not working
Pin 11: Interior lighting ---------Not working

Are you saying compare these 2 codes together ?

New Code : 078C5F060014100040000000000000000000FE075C06000000 0000000000
Old Code : A5885F00A2141000000000000000000000

Rear right reverse should now be t12c/4 as it was t12c/1 for 5 door

Left fog was t12c/4 now t12c/1

So see if the fog comes on when you reverse or reverse if you put the fog on lol

If that works out I will look at the interior light after


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[Khufu]

So see if the fog comes on when you reverse or reverse if you put the fog on lol

LOL

 

[J.R.]

Rear right reverse should now be t12c/4 as it was t12c/1

Left fog was t12c/4 now t12c/1

So see if the fog comes on when you reverse or reverse if you put the fog on lol

If that works out I will look at the interior light after


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I'll check it out in a few min's and get back to you on that.

 

[J.R.]

I've just checked it out and nothing else comes on when I engage the Reverse gear

 

[a8 tech back]

well its time to look at the general coding of the control unit

then look at the outputs from the control unit

output test can be done by either switching on the componant or via vcds

when you go into address 09 you will see the output test

click on and you can test individual items like reverse or interior lights etc

so either way connect a voltmeter or led test light to the pin you think should feed out the signal for reverse etc

if there is a feed coming out but no operation at the light then the wiring needs looking at

start with the reverse switch and when you sort that out you can move onto the fog and interior light

its may help if you do a dump screen of long code helper with the info for each byte so it can be seen what's coded or not coded

i cant tell you from here which byte does what without seeing them

the interior light pin out is the same for pre 2008 so that's telling you the wiring is fine

we will get there, just a bit of messing around first

i will post a wiring diagram of the reverse circuit

 

[a8 tech back]

my elsa differs as it s showing left hand drive on one pc and right on me other argggggggggggh but this should be correct


this looks better

from 2004 upto 2009 the plugs on j519 are the same 2010 changes so these plugs and pin numbers should be correct

elsa 3.81 shows left hand drive but i have the earlier version which is right hand drive

my head hurts

giving up tonight due to man flew
ScreenShot001 by a8 tech, on Flickr

 

[a8 tech back]

I also did a screen shoot of this :

I don't know what relay 15 installed is thou or whats it for .....

change byte 3 from 06 to 01 and see what happens

this is from a k revision 5 door

Coding: E4 88 1F 01 B0 14 10 00 4F 16 00 00 16 00 00 00 00 08 5A 17 5C 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

 

[J.R.]

change byte 4 from 06 to 01 and see what happens

Ok I'll give that a try in a few mins.....

 

[J.R.]

change byte 3 from 06 to 01 and see what happens

this is from a k revision 5 door

Coding: E4 88 1F 01 B0 14 10 00 4F 16 00 00 16 00 00 00 00 08 5A 17 5C 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

I've just tried it and still nothing changed. But I'm getting a few different fault codes for the reverse light and rear fog light.

Wednesday,18,February,2009,21:36:53:26365
VCDS Version: Beta 812.4

Address 09: Cent. Elect.
Control Module Part Number: 8P0 907 279 K
Component and/or Version: Bordnetz-SG H54 2501
Software Coding: B78C5F060014100000000000000000000010FE075C060200000000000000
Work Shop Code: WSC 00000
Additional Info: 8P2955119 Wischer WWS Audi350 0130
5 Faults Found

00061 - Footwell Lights
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 248
Mileage: 165429 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2011.05.18
Time: 20:34:00

Freeze Frame
ON
Voltage: 11.60 V
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
OFF

01502 - Bulb for Rear Fog; Left (L46)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 248
Mileage: 165429 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2011.05.18
Time: 20:34:00

Freeze Frame
ON
Voltage: 11.60 V
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
OFF

01519 - Bulb for Back-Up Lights; Right (M17)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 248
Mileage: 165429 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2011.05.18
Time: 20:34:00

Freeze Frame
ON
Voltage: 11.60 V
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
OFF

01259 - Fuel Pump Relay (J17)
009 - Open or Short to Ground
Freeze Frame
Fault Status: 01101001
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 248
Mileage: 165429 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2011.05.18
Time: 20:33:00

Freeze Frame
ON
Voltage: 11.70 V
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
OFF

00059 - Terminal 30 for Interior Lighting
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 248
Mileage: 165429 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2011.05.18
Time: 20:34:00

Freeze Frame
ON
Voltage: 11.70 V
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
OFF

 

[a8 tech back]

do you have dual fogs or just the one

11.60 volts would indicate the signal voltage is open circuit so the voltage is coming out of j519 but not getting to the lights so returned voltage read is the same as whats going out

in other words no consumer to consume the current/voltage = open circuit

 

[J.R.]

do you have dual fogs or just the one

11.60 volts would indicate the signal voltage is open circuit so the voltage is coming out of j519 but not getting to the lights so returned voltage read is the same as whats going out

in other words no consumer to consume the current/voltage = open circuit

I have 1 rear Fog.....

 

[a8 tech back]

change byte 3 so its just one fog light

clear the codes

turn ignition off then on

turn the fog light on

rescan

if you just have the fault code for one fog then check the feed out of j519 for the fog light


double check the fog light bulb is ok as well if there is a feed out

lets see what happens and if this original pin is still designated for fog light

 

[J.R.]

change byte 3 so its just one fog light

clear the codes

turn ignition off then on

turn the fog light on

rescan

if you just have the fault code for one fog then check the feed out of j519 for the fog light

wire colour blue and red t12c/1 connector B to pin 1 right reverse light

make sure the wire is fitted in fine and making contact

double check the fog light bulb is ok as well if there is a feed out

lets see what happens and if this original pin is still designated for fog light

Would I just change the byte 3 06 to 16 ?

 

[a8 tech back]

sorry just swapped lap tops for wire position



try 16

sorry to confuse but I have 2 laptops running here and for the life of me keep mixing up fogs and reverse 5 door and 3 door as well as left and right hand drive because elsa 3.81 is wrong

I will look proper in the morning, hopefully man flu free

 

[J.R.]

I've just released something sufficient ....these errors below are very weird ... because the bulb for the rear Fog light is on the Right not the Left. And the Back-Up Light is on the Left ....Not Right....as below states...

I also did a Test for the rear Fog in Vag-com .....And the light worked.....

Would you know what all this means?


01502 - Bulb for Rear Fog; Left (L46)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 248
Mileage: 165429 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2011.05.18
Time: 20:34:00

Freeze Frame
ON
Voltage: 11.60 V
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
OFF

01519 - Bulb for Back-Up Lights; Right (M17)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 248
Mileage: 165429 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2011.05.18
Time: 20:34:00

 

[J.R.]

I've just compared some rear lights from ebay.de.....And My Previous old lights... The Back up lights & Fog lights are in a different place.

These are my lights:

These are the ones from ebay.de

 

[a8 tech back]

fog light will be osr
reverse will be nsr

so if the output test puts the osr fog on then the wiring is correct from the output of j519

so is the j519 getting the signal from the headlight switch to activate the fog

rear fog light switch input is found Connector E (16-pin j519) pin 13

you should be able to check with vcds via measured value blocks if the switch is working

open the label files and this will tell you which measured value block osr fog light is in

fog light pin input pin 13 is the same for both control units so is the switch ok

L46 is in deed REAR LEFT FOG FOR 3 DOOR MODELS but not used as this is used as a reverse light M16 rear left reverse

so the back lights are not coded correctly as m17 is right reverse and your reverse should be rear left