Most are like prostitutes too....pay as you en...oh forget it
mpg should get better the more you drive it they are allways not that good when new a guy in work used to have a a4 1.9tdi avant on a p plate it had done 270.000 miles and it was still cracking out well over 65 mpg so they are like a fine wine they get better with age lolOk I took delivery of my TDI 170 quattro sport on 15th Dec. As to first impression.
Fuel consumption - great. Still less than 700 miles on the clock and getting average of 43 MPG around town and 55 MPG on a run.
Performance - Impressive once rolling 20 mph onwards. 0 -20 using first gear not too great feels like the gearing is wrong. Not tried it yet but pulling away in 2nd might be better, but do not want to load my new engine.
Handling - sticks well to the road.
Build quality - It is an Audi.
Now to the Petrol Vs Deisel. As you are moving to Scotland one big point. A deisel /4wd is the best car to drive in snow/ice. MY previous cars have all been 4WD , and my wife drove a lot in the heavy snow over the last few weeks and she said she has never felt so safe in a car in these conditions.
I am sure the Petrol is great fun , but as a work horse that can still put a smile on your fact , go for the 170 deisel....
Most are like prostitutes too....pay as you en...oh forget it
lmfaoI always enter via the back door when they're not looking.
Works with buses too.
What a laugh!
In my humble opinion tdi 170 quattro wins hands down
One important fact is that guy asking the question is moving to Scotland! The roads here are slippy for at least 50% of the time, never mind the snow. (rain+cow/sheep **** = slide factor 9/10, quattro required)
I could also assume that the roads will be twistier in Scotland and as said previously, quattro makes for better progress.
Also I think that torquey nature of a diesel is better for towing.
Aythreee - this guys "real world driving" might well be in the twisties if he moves up here. Trust me I LOVE burning 2.0t on wet cobbled roads in Edinburgh in my 170 tdi quattro. It happens...
Unless you've owned a 170TDi Quattro you won't know how great they are in 'Real Life' driving situations...... 4th 8P and 3rd 8P Quattro on its way...
Yea but a petrol needs to chang gears more than a diesel.
Don't know why you can't get a 170 tdi quattro with DSG? that would be a winner for me!
I'm not saying they aren't great, I'm just saying that 2.0TFSI > 170TDI.
We can debate this until the cows come home, but the bottom line is... in the VAST majority of "everyday driving" scenarios the 2.0T, even in FWD, is a higher performing car.
Surely its the other way around?
A petrol could get to say 50mph with one gear change (1st/2nd), but a diesel would need three changes (1st/2nd/3rd).
We have had 8P 2.0FSi, 8P 2.0TFsi Quattro, then 2.0Tdi 170 Quattro which was so great in comparison to the TFSi we are buying another one...I don't think the 2.0T FSi with FWD is that great with torque steer, spinning wheels and crap fuel economy. Sorry
in the VAST majority of "everyday driving" scenarios the 2.0T, even in FWD, is a higher performing car.
Well looking at your figures if 1st to 2nd is one change then 1st to 2nd to 3rd is 2 changes......
The way i see it is if the derv needs more gear changes to reach a speed then it must have more gears to reach the top speed of the petrol....but it dosnt does it
For those of us with experience of both 'in the VAST majority of "everyday driving" scenarios the 2.0TDi QUATTRO 170 is a better overall performing car.
The TFSI does have a slightly higher top speed but who wants to do 140mph in any A3?
Our TFSi Quattro (2005) always felt like it needed a 7th gear when cruising on the Motorway the Tdi Quattro 170 is very relaxed in 6th.
For me, cruising on motorways is where mine (2006) feels most relaxed. It's also where I get the best economy.
To wrap this up, it's obvious that for you a diesel is suited to your driving style/preference.
It's actually my Missus Co-Pilots car.. I have something even more relaxing for the motorway. I probably do 7-8k miles in the 8P and whilst I used to prefer a high revving petrol motor the new Audi Diesels are way better than many petrol motors. The 2005 TFSi Q we had was horrible on the M way, always felt like it needed an extra gear and was far from relaxing.
For me, I like a revvy engine that I can really stretch and unleash a bit more oomph if I choose to.
Each to their own.... the TFSi sure revs higher than a CR Diesel but as far as ooomph and more importantly Torque are concerned the Tdi 170 Quattro is ten times better ...
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We need to remember that you have a DSG and not a Quattro so may not be offering the best opinion to the OP.
the TFSi sure revs higher than a CR Diesel but as far as ooomph and more importantly Torque are concerned the Tdi 170 Quattro is ten times better
We need to remember that you have a DSG and not a Quattro so may not be offering the best opinion to the OP.
the 2.0 tfsi quattro is a clear second quicker to 60 than the 2.0tdi the tfsi is 6.9 the tdi is 7.9 so its close match i think lol
Even the crappy FWD tfsi is a second quicker than the TDI Q as well. But PilotAudi will still tell you that the TDI is 1000 times quicker!
Thing is, I genuinely don't think the TDI is slow/poor/crap/a tractor/etc etc. In fact, I know they are surprisingly good performers, especially in Quattro form.
But his idea that it is a better performer than a TFSI Quattro and TOTALLY outperforms a FWD TFSI is just plain weird IMO, and to be honest the first time I've ever heard someone take such a stance on here.
Was quite exicted to see the number of replies to my original post, which was about
1) diesel or petrol quattro, and
2) DPF purported problems
What a disapointed to trial through all this crap about whether a fwd is quicker than a quattro or its top speed or how revvy it is
I noted at the start, as was picked up by an earlier contributor, I drive a caterham too. Rear wheel drive for proper driving fun, and a 0-60 of about 4 sec and revs to 8500
I also drive a Porsche 911 (997), 0 - 60 in about 4.8 and a top speed just shy of 190mph - I kinda think I should have noted this before to make it clear my reasons for asking the question had nothing to do speed etc, but trying to focus upon a different aspect of performance. But then maybe my question would have been 'Petrol or Diesel' 'Quattro or FWD' - which is the quickest.
For those of you who joined the thread to find out about about the questions 1 and 2 above, my apologies for going off topic.
For those who who like there 2wd revvy engines - enjoy - but it would be nice to see the end of the debate here.
Still no bad reports on the DPF - the links through Honest John I posted above appear to be off the mark, within this forum at least. Maybe written by someone who likes petrol engines more.
cheers
Darren
Sorry, think I'll just go and have a beer as this is just the opinion of one person who has actually owned both!!
The figures show the TFSi QUATTRO as quicker. No dispute. Having owned both the Petrol and Diesel 170 (both Quattros) for 3 and 2.5 years respectively I honestly believe the Diesel to be the better overall performer in real life motoring... not 0-60 drive it like you've stolen it situations. Normal everyday spirited driving.
Loads of S3's in Brighton today ? Cant think why.