My friend has had his 10 reg 2.0T FSI for 2-3 months now and has noticed he's only getting approx 300-320 miles on a full tank and the oil light has just come on already. Has anyone else had similar problems with there car? Or is this normal for this model? I've got an A4 with the same engine and have told him mine uses more oil than normal. He's booking it in Audi next week.
2.0T FSI excessive mpg and oil usage
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smee
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I must admit I am quite impressed with the mpg I get from my 59 2.0T. 300 - 320 is what I used to get from my 56 A3 2.0T, I find the A5 is good for about 410 per tank based on mixed driving but primarily motorway.
Anyone who has ever had the 2 litre turbo engine know how thirsty on oil they can be. I expect to add a litre of oil every 5000 miles.
Anyone who has ever had the 2 litre turbo engine know how thirsty on oil they can be. I expect to add a litre of oil every 5000 miles.
I noticed the MMI was reading half full with oil when I bought the car in April, so I topped it up. Then before I went on holiday two weeks ago, it was back to the same level, so I put another 1l in. WRT mpg, I am not getting the mileage I thought I would out of the tank...about 360-370 miles, but then I think the tank is 10l smaller my previous car where I used to get the same mileage.
This can't be right, surely? The A5 has a 65 litre tank, so 320 miles equates to only 22mpg! Even the 410 miles quoted by smee for "primarily motorway" driving equates to under 30mpg!
Also, exactly what 2.0T are we talking about here, the 180 or 211PS variant? FWD or Quattro?
This has me worried as I'm looking at an A5 2.0T.
Also, exactly what 2.0T are we talking about here, the 180 or 211PS variant? FWD or Quattro?
This has me worried as I'm looking at an A5 2.0T.
I have a 211ps quattro manual and Im only getting 300 to the tank and Im not impressed as my 2.0tfsi quattro se got 400.
My 3.0Tdi Q M6 rarely does less than 40mpg + 0-60 in 5.7 secs... superb. and at times on refuel the distance reads over 600miles.. and it don't sound like a Diesel.
Unfortunately the 2.0TFsi engines do have a thirst for oil early in their life (I've had a few!) generally settles down just before you start thinking of selling the car in my experience.
The A/S5 is a big car and a 2.0 will have to be pushed hard to deliver performance (which it loves) as a consequence fuel economy is not good and will rarely achieve manufacturers figures which are achieved in 'perfect' conditions.
Unfortunately the 2.0TFsi engines do have a thirst for oil early in their life (I've had a few!) generally settles down just before you start thinking of selling the car in my experience.
The A/S5 is a big car and a 2.0 will have to be pushed hard to deliver performance (which it loves) as a consequence fuel economy is not good and will rarely achieve manufacturers figures which are achieved in 'perfect' conditions.
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Rocko
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Hi there, previous A4 owner on here.
Just FYI, my car was using a hell of a lot of oil (A5 2.0T) so back it went. Audi are now telling me that it might require a new engine, so you might want to get it checked by them before going any further.
Just FYI, my car was using a hell of a lot of oil (A5 2.0T) so back it went. Audi are now telling me that it might require a new engine, so you might want to get it checked by them before going any further.
smee
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Rocko, how much is a "hell of a lot of oil"? I have had 2 variations of the 2.0T over 4 years and have gotten used to adding oil between services. Have never considered sending them back, guess that after this long it feels normal.
By the way the economy on mine has improved greatly. Yesterday I had a very slow and sensible 70 mile journey because it was raining and I was on the M25 on a Friday afternoon so it never moves quick. At the end of the journey DIS was reading 49.7 mpg! Very impressed with that.
By the way the economy on mine has improved greatly. Yesterday I had a very slow and sensible 70 mile journey because it was raining and I was on the M25 on a Friday afternoon so it never moves quick. At the end of the journey DIS was reading 49.7 mpg! Very impressed with that.
Rocko
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As of today, it's used 7 litres in just over 5000 miles. I reset the trip when out of the dealers and did 708 miles before it was asking for oil again.
smee
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Wow, you are so right, that is definitely excessive. Did you get the special 2.0T engine with the hole in the bottom? If mine did anything like that I would be straight back to the dealer, hope they are responding correctly because there is something very wrong with your car.
Rocko
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[rant]OK time for an update, and not a good one.
I'm currently writing a letter to Audi UK to complain about their shambolic customer service.
The car has currently been away since the 25th of November for them to diagnose the oil consumption issue (7 litres in 5000 miles). Having been in there twice to collect 2 courtesy cars, they have told me that worst case scenario which is now looking likely is a new engine. Audi apparently don't care about diagnosing and fixing a problem when they can change the engine for less money. At the same time they were to replace the sideskirt which was damaged by the dogs.
But that's not the main issue.
1. Service people in Audi will not return phonecalls, I always have to ring them 2 or 3 times to get speaking the person I want to.
2. They first supplied an A4 Avant, bog standard. Not a big issue you might think, but they promised a vehicle of equal specification which this isnt.
3. Neither is the A5 Sportback I've had since 05/12. Both these cars come with Audi insurance with an excess of £500 in the event of an accident,, therefore, I havent left the house when it was snowing from fear of someone hitting it and costing me £500 before Christmas.
4. Before collecting the first courtesy car, me and the wife were left standing outside work for 45 minutes waiting on the taxi they had called to collect us at 5pm. When I asked the taxi driver, he was able to check that there had been no other calls from Audi to them for a 5pm collection.
5. Get a call on 23/12 to tell me that they have not been able to put any miles on my car. Their plan is to give it to an Audi Mastertech who will top the oil, drive it home and check the levels every night. One lives in Gilford, the other in Newcastle and due to snow and icy conditions, the car hasn't left Belfast.
6. The car was then due to be driven round Belfast by one of their drivers, and oil levels checked every night. Due to snow and icy conditions, the car never left the dealership.
7. During the phonecall 23/12 the service guy mentioned that the skirt had still not been repaired, and due to cold conditions the bonder wouldn't cure but if I wanted, I could have come and collected the vehicle for use over the Christmas period. I would then hav to return to get the oil consumption issue rechecked.
All in all, total mess. I am thoroughly unhappy about the level of service I have received and have told them that. I was assured "they would sort me out" but I am not pleased about having a 6 month old car with a new engine. In terms of resale value, this would put me off despite being a dealer repair.
A5 most unreliable car? So far, yes, but the aftersales service has been 1000 times worse.
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I'm currently writing a letter to Audi UK to complain about their shambolic customer service.
The car has currently been away since the 25th of November for them to diagnose the oil consumption issue (7 litres in 5000 miles). Having been in there twice to collect 2 courtesy cars, they have told me that worst case scenario which is now looking likely is a new engine. Audi apparently don't care about diagnosing and fixing a problem when they can change the engine for less money. At the same time they were to replace the sideskirt which was damaged by the dogs.
But that's not the main issue.
1. Service people in Audi will not return phonecalls, I always have to ring them 2 or 3 times to get speaking the person I want to.
2. They first supplied an A4 Avant, bog standard. Not a big issue you might think, but they promised a vehicle of equal specification which this isnt.
3. Neither is the A5 Sportback I've had since 05/12. Both these cars come with Audi insurance with an excess of £500 in the event of an accident,, therefore, I havent left the house when it was snowing from fear of someone hitting it and costing me £500 before Christmas.
4. Before collecting the first courtesy car, me and the wife were left standing outside work for 45 minutes waiting on the taxi they had called to collect us at 5pm. When I asked the taxi driver, he was able to check that there had been no other calls from Audi to them for a 5pm collection.
5. Get a call on 23/12 to tell me that they have not been able to put any miles on my car. Their plan is to give it to an Audi Mastertech who will top the oil, drive it home and check the levels every night. One lives in Gilford, the other in Newcastle and due to snow and icy conditions, the car hasn't left Belfast.
6. The car was then due to be driven round Belfast by one of their drivers, and oil levels checked every night. Due to snow and icy conditions, the car never left the dealership.
7. During the phonecall 23/12 the service guy mentioned that the skirt had still not been repaired, and due to cold conditions the bonder wouldn't cure but if I wanted, I could have come and collected the vehicle for use over the Christmas period. I would then hav to return to get the oil consumption issue rechecked.
All in all, total mess. I am thoroughly unhappy about the level of service I have received and have told them that. I was assured "they would sort me out" but I am not pleased about having a 6 month old car with a new engine. In terms of resale value, this would put me off despite being a dealer repair.
A5 most unreliable car? So far, yes, but the aftersales service has been 1000 times worse.
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id be telling them to put a 1.9tdi engine in if i were you...... far superior engines despite their own known faults.
audicruiser
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I understand your frustration, but with respect surely your points 5,6 and 7 are out of the control of the dealership. They don't control the weather and tempertures...
What has happened since??
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Bad mpg, well thats depending on how you drive it, if you do drive it sensible then you will achieve the claimed figures, In the Handbook somewhere it does mention that the 2.0Tfsi is a ****** for using oil, well not quite in them words anyway
A5 2.0TFSI - 93K miles
My A5 has the same problem, I recently measured the mileage between oil fills and it clocked 560miles before the oil light came on again asking for another litre, itâs in the garage now and they've asked me to do the test where I take it out for 650 miles then return it, judging by the comments on here I don't hold out much hope of a satisfactory outcome to this one!
My A5 has the same problem, I recently measured the mileage between oil fills and it clocked 560miles before the oil light came on again asking for another litre, itâs in the garage now and they've asked me to do the test where I take it out for 650 miles then return it, judging by the comments on here I don't hold out much hope of a satisfactory outcome to this one!
I have a new A5 2.0 TFSI Cab Multitronic and find I get about 420 to a tank with mainly motorway miles where the fuel computer normally gives me anything between 31-37 at speeds of 60 - 80. Which I suppose is not bad for a fairly big car, but way short of the numbers Audi give and I'm hardly thrashing it!
Ive recently purchased a 2 litre TFSi S-tronic Quattro Black Edition 2011 (12k on the clock) Had it just under a month, put about 420 milies on it and the low oil came on, topped it up (approx 1 litre) I've now done just under 400 miles, and the low oil warning light is on again !!!
thats 1 litre of oil every 400 miles !!!!
I have a 2010 211ps tfsi - Same thing - There apparently is a known issue with piston rings on this engine??
My car is going in for new rings next week (under warranty).
Get the dealer to do a 'consumption test' - it involves the car being topped up, oil dropped, weighed, refilled then running until the light comes on. If it is less than 1000 miles then apparently Audi will fix..
Thanks The911sc... My Audis on a oil consumption test at present after some work Audi have carried out.....They replaced a valve/seal and software uupdate. It's currently covered 600 miles and the oil has gone down approx a 1/5, so it's improved drastically. I estimate now it will need topping up every 3000 miles......Still well above what I think is normal, but, it seems that particular engine just loves to eat oil.....
I have recently bought 2 months ago an Audi A5 2.0tfsi 2009 211ps Its done 115,000 miles and now I need a whole new engine. I have done research on the internet, phoned garages including Audi specialists and found out these engines are problematic from day one. Countless people have been taking them back in for oil consumption problems even after a few thousand miles. The engines have many problems resulting in burning oil. Could be piston rings could be turbo. Audi have repair ed these under warranty knowing it's a problem but as my car isn't under warranty they tried charging me £10600!!! For a new engine! The engines themselves cost lest than half the price of that! After speaking to a lot of people even buying a reconditioned engine would be risky and reconditioning my engine wouldn't help as it could go again. Now I have a £10000 loan with a useless car that was actually really nice when it worked. It goes through a litre of oil every 170 miles. Avoid getting this engine or Audi in general. They told me £60 to look at it but tried charging me £220!! They lowered it to £140 but haven't told me the exact problem. Its my first Audi and probably my last!
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I don't understand how some of the 2.0T engines are so problematic, whilst the ones in the S3 seem fine (maybe they use different rings etc.).
Can't believe the costs are so high either, what you've been quoted seem criminally high.
I'd speak to an
Can't believe the costs are so high either, what you've been quoted seem criminally high.
I'd speak to an
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I don't understand how some of the 2.0T engines are so problematic, whilst the ones in the S3 seem fine (maybe they use different rings etc.).
Can't believe the costs are so high either, what you've been quoted seem criminally high.
I'd speak to a decent independent to get another view as those figure seem way overboard. Audi are b*******ds if car is out of warranty / not bought through them as they just see the revenue opportunity or if they don't want the work they may even price job up.
Can't believe the costs are so high either, what you've been quoted seem criminally high.
I'd speak to a decent independent to get another view as those figure seem way overboard. Audi are b*******ds if car is out of warranty / not bought through them as they just see the revenue opportunity or if they don't want the work they may even price job up.
Hi @mattsaltt - completely understand the frustration. At 115k miles it's tricky because it may just be at end of life - albeit arguably a very early end of life. You don't mention in your post but have you tried speaking to Audi UK directly? I would certainly point out your feelings regarding first and last Audi unless something can be done.
Also where did you buy the car from? If it was a trader then it should be under a warranty even if it wasn't/isn't a main dealer.
Also where did you buy the car from? If it was a trader then it should be under a warranty even if it wasn't/isn't a main dealer.
I'm not too sure Warren, my my10 59 plate S3 has used almost 4ltrs in 7k miles. That's just under the Audi threshold of 0.5 ltrs per 1000km.
My previous 08 plate S3 never used any!
Hi thanks for your replies. It was bought privately as I stupidly didn't research this type or car before hand but the car is so lovely. I have done lots of research and found out all these 2.0t engines in vw skoda Audi have the same issues. They are faulty by design as the piston rings are 1.5 mm which are too small. Once replaced with genuine Vauxhall 3.0-3.5mm rings apparently this solves the problem. A garage said they are in the process of fixing 3 2.0t engines in a golf a Skoda and an Audi a4. Also replacing the valves and seals. This will cost me between £1500-2000. Still a lot but far more cost affective than Audi.
Interesting thread as I have a 2.0TFSI bought new 2 years ago. Admittedly I have only done 6.5k miles in it including a trip to Spain, but I have never had to top the oil up and the info screen always has it at the full mark when I check. I wonder if the later engines might have been modded?
cav1
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if your going to contact Audi (which I think is a good idea) read up on these from USA:
http://www.dailyreportingsuite.com/...2_3m_in_attorneys_fees_to_settle_class_action
http://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2014/audi-oil-consumption-lawsuit.shtml
It appears in America they have agreed to repairs on CAEB engine types ( which are 2.0T 211bhp versions too). It might just help your argument....
And for everyone else, it looks like they are honouring previous repair bills too...
http://www.dailyreportingsuite.com/...2_3m_in_attorneys_fees_to_settle_class_action
http://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2014/audi-oil-consumption-lawsuit.shtml
It appears in America they have agreed to repairs on CAEB engine types ( which are 2.0T 211bhp versions too). It might just help your argument....
And for everyone else, it looks like they are honouring previous repair bills too...
Well the easy way to avoid high oil consumption in fsi/tfsi engines is to change from 5w-30 to 0w-40.
Really? Doesn't the 5w part stand for the thickness of the oil and the second part the temperature it works up to?
Thickness is not responsible for burning oil but kinematic viscosity. 5w-30 oil has lower viscositly ,lower flash point and they evaporate easily then 0w-40.
Check Mobil esp 5w-30 vs Mobil 1 0w-40 new life.
Check Mobil esp 5w-30 vs Mobil 1 0w-40 new life.
Oh right. I will have a look at that. Thank you. I have a 2.0 tfsi and the rings have worn on them
burning oil fast.
