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    Throttle Body Alignment (TBA) - without VCDS

    Hi,
    Had the wiper motor changed - the ECU and battery was disconnected

    Car in limp mode with following codes :

    #1) 17987 - Throttleactuator - adaptation not started. Code 17987
    17987/P1579/005497 - Ross-Tech Wiki


    #2) 17951 - Angle Sensor 1 for Throttle Actuator (G187)
    #3) 17580 - AngleSensor 2 for Throttle Actuator (G188), Signal too Low

    Audi A4 B5 1999 Auto

    Can clear the codes with handheld but unable to turn off ECU light and limp mode. The same above codes keep coming back...

    This happened once before and we cleaned the TB - worked fine since....now

    Any advise welcome

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    Local Garage saying to change ECU.


    Anyone with VAG in Sheffield

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    Hello,
    Im sure ive come accross this or something like it before,
    The person then didnt want to spend any money...
    Im guessing its a throttle cable model not a drive by wire?
    I have VAG COM and can read the codes for you but i dont know of any procedures to clear or reset the issue off the top of my head,
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    it needs to go on vcds for a TBA

    and if that wont work then a new throtlebody

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    Thanks

    I think it is Drive by wire.

    Maybe first get it just cleaned up and then Aligned...

    17987/P1579/005497- Throttle Actuator (J338): Adaptation Not Started
    • Throttle Body Alignment (TBA) not performed
    Someexamples of reasons to perform a TBA:
    1. The vehicle's battery has been disconnected and re-connected
    2. The ECU has been removed and reinstalled
    TheThrottle Body has been cleaned or removed and reinstalled
    TheAccelerator Pedal has been removed and reinstalled
    Insome vehicles, the car will not run correctly, or may not run at allwithout performing a TBA after one of the above operations.


    Thereare certain test conditions that must be met before doing a TBA:
    • No DTC's in the Engine Controller
    Batteryvoltage at least 11.5 V
    Throttlemust be at idling position (keep your foot off the gas pedal)
    • Throttle body part must not be dirty (carbonized).
    • Coolant temperature must be between 5 and 95C
    • If fault codes were cleared cycle the ignition off and back on prior to running Basic Settings.

    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...lignment_(TBA)



    Failed Throttle BodyAlignment causes:
    Dirty throttle Body
    Low system voltage(check battery)
    Cable Adjustment Issue
    Wiring Harness issue
    Faulty Throttle Body
    Faulty ECM
    Outsideinfluence...check 02 sensors

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    If its the drive by wire ( same as my 2001 S3) i can have a look for you.
    Drop me a PM to discuss?
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    Quote Originally Posted by S3 Paul View Post
    If its the drive by wire ( same as my 2001 S3) i can have a look for you.
    Drop me a PM to discuss?
    That will be great! yes its drive by wire

    Did have a look at VCDS-light with the Gendan cable...but now depends if the B5 is finally nearing its end :]

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    How to do TBA

    How to do a Throttle Body Alignment - YouTube

    Also Located replacement ECU. Can it be programmed with VCDS?
    Last edited by Winchmore; 20th September 2013 at 23:56.

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    Yes vcds will adapt the new ecu. I would be inclines to try tba first though unless there is signs of damage through corrosion etc on ecu.

    Happy to help out with vcds, thanks tom
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    ECU ok - car not starting

    Quote Originally Posted by @udi A3 View Post
    Yes vcds will adapt the new ecu. I would be inclines to try tba first though unless there is signs of damage through corrosion etc on ecu.

    Happy to help out with vcds, thanks tom
    Many Thanks for your help today Tom!

    *update*
    Good news : Ecu replaced and TBA ok. No error codes

    Bad news : Car not starting - no error codes on VCDS

    This also may have been issue with the old ECU as it was only starting in limp mode and now looks to have gone to this stage. VCDS dump was taken.

    Sound like an mechanical issue now. The only change was replace wiper motor (remove battery & ECU) and replace coolant temperature sensor.

    Any other ideas apart from the obvious :

    Battery (car been sat for 5 days voltage tested ok)

    Starter motor
    fuel pump
    Fuel pump relay (previous error due to old ecu pin connection)

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    so the car is still not starting ?

    are you geting fuel ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bez101 View Post
    so the car is still not starting ?

    are you geting fuel ?
    Yes - ECU fine no fault codes so moved a step further

    Can smell the petrol
    I wonder if the engine is flooded...

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    Ecu plugged had suffered heavy water damage, I wouldnt know where to begin with testing the wiring for shorts further up the loom.
    Old ecu would not allow the throttle body alignment. Assume drivers damaged due to water damage.
    New ecu adapted, TBA completed, no error codes stored with VCDS.
    Battery voltage good, spark good.

    If the engine is flooded it would start today. Another way to start a flooded engine is remove all leads and push them on so they only just touch the plugs but dont clip on them. (not sure why this works).

    Also try removing cam belt cover to check cams turn when cranking.

    I suspect there is another damaged sensor/actuator caused by the water.

    Im sorry I dont know enough about petrol engine management to help you further

    Here are the extracts from the initial VCDS log, all codes were cleared, even after failing to start, but as i said, somethine may come back when it starts, feel free to pop round on the way to work.

    Tuesday,24,September,2013,15:08:16:05185
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
    VCDS Version: 12.12.0.0
    Data version: 20130910


    VIN: License Plate:
    Mileage: 228810km-142175mi Repair Order: REMY



    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Chassis Type: 8D - Audi A4 B5 (1995 > 2001)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77

    Mileage: 228810km/142175miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine Labels: None
    Part No: 3B0 907 552 J
    Component: 2.4L V6/5V 0001
    Coding: 04051
    Shop #: WSC 06315
    VCID: 2B55B967D9117146111-5140

    5 Faults Found:
    17987 - Throttle Actuator (J338)
    P1579 - 35-10 - Adaptation Not Started - Intermittent
    17951 - Angle Sensor 1 for Throttle Actuator (G187)
    P1543 - 35-00 - Signal too Small
    17580 - Angle Sensor 2 for Throttle Actuator (G188) Signal too Low
    P1172 - 35-00 -
    17746 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40)
    P1338 - 35-00 - Open or Short to Plus
    17967 - Throttle Body (J338)
    P1559 - 35-00 - Fault in basic settings
    Readiness: 0000 0000

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 01V-927-156.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 927 156 BA
    Component: AG5 01V 2.4l5V RdW 2526
    Coding: 00003
    Shop #: WSC 06315
    VCID: 6DD1777F2785BF764F5-5140

    2 Faults Found:
    18258 - Powertrain Data Bus
    P1850 - 35-10 - Missing Message from ECU - Intermittent
    18265 - Load Signal
    P1857 - 35-00 - Error Message from ECU

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-614-111-ABS.lbl
    Part No: 8E0 614 111 AB
    Component: ABS 5.3 FRONT D00
    Shop #: BB 24548
    VCID: 5EB320B3DA23D4EEC6F-5140

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8D0-820-043-1D.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 820 043 M
    Component: A4 KLIMAAUTOMAT D53
    Coding: 00061
    Shop #: WSC 06315
    VCID: 2A5BBC63D6EB684EEA7-258E

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8D0-959-655-AI8.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 959 655 F
    Component: Airbag Front+Kopf 0001
    Coding: 00304
    Shop #: WSC 06315
    VCID: 3979932F234DD3D693D-515E

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8D0-919-xxx-17.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 919 910 S
    Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D15
    Coding: 00462
    Shop #: WSC 00000
    VCID: 3C778A3B2C7FE6FE88B-5140

    Subsystem 1 - Part No: IMMO
    Component: IDENTNR: AUZ7Z0W0855609
    IMMO-IDENTNR: AUZ7Z0W0855609

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels: 8D0-862-257.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 862 257 E
    Component: CV-Pump, Alarm, RC D13
    Coding: 13130
    Shop #: WSC 06315
    VCID: 2F6DAD77ED090D663D9-4F06

    11 Faults Found:
    01367 - Central Locking Pump Run Time Exceeded (Likely Leak)
    35-00 - -
    01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
    35-00 - -
    01374 - Alarm triggered by Terminal 15
    35-00 - -
    01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring
    35-00 - -
    01369 - Alarm triggered by Hood Switch
    35-00 - -
    01368 - Alarm triggered by Luggage Compartment Switch
    35-00 - -
    00991 - Interior Lights
    28-00 - Short to Plus
    00955 - Key 1
    09-00 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed
    00956 - Key 2
    09-00 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed
    01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
    76-00 - Terminal 30 missing
    01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
    49-00 - No Communications

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-173.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 951 173
    Component: Innenraumueberw. D03
    Coding: 00101
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: E0CF9E4B6057621E743-4B50

    1 Fault Found:
    01383 - Alarm triggered by Anti-Theft Sensor; Front Right
    35-00 - -

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio Labels: 8D0-035-1xx-56.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 035 186
    Component: Radio 0001
    Coding: 00201
    Shop #: WSC 06315
    VCID: DDB1A7BF57254FF65F5-4B04

    1 Fault Found:
    65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
    00-00 - -

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 76: Park Assist Labels: 4B0-919-283.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 919 283
    Component: Parkingsystem A4 RDW D18
    Coding: 01104
    Shop #: WSC 06315
    VCID: E6C3885382730C2E8EF-51B6

    No fault code found.

    End ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    '02 TDi 130 Sport: Mods to date: BXP 160 conversion, EGR delete, Decat, Helix SMF fast road clutch, 312mm front rotors, full DIS , CC, Xenons.
    VCDS fully registered and happy to help.
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    are they any relays in the ecu box as if they got wet they can stop starting
    im not up on the B5 really

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    I didnt notice anything in the ecu box, but thinking about it i didnt see the gromet to the bulkhead either, maybe water got down to the relay rack under the driver side dash?
    '02 TDi 130 Sport: Mods to date: BXP 160 conversion, EGR delete, Decat, Helix SMF fast road clutch, 312mm front rotors, full DIS , CC, Xenons.
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    Many thanks chaps!

    This was the issue a year ago. Sorted after the pin cleanup.Audi A4 B5 starting problems Changing the wiper motor may have not only disturbed an old issue but introduced some new ones.Also replaced at the time was coolant temperature sensor.

    The car would start but rev was low. Would drive in limp mode. TB Codes would not clear.After sitting for a few days the car would not start or rev.


    After trying to start a few times...the oil light does come up sometimes...

    Will have a look at the battery and relays under the driver dash. Check the obvious and the over to the Auto expert.

    Steady as she goes...nowhere....all things end at some point
    Last edited by Winchmore; 26th September 2013 at 00:06.

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    All sorted and been running fine for a few day!

    Ecu harness female connector rewired. One wire housing connector had corrosion and was replaced with a used one. TBA came to life and engine started to cough but did not start. Was all gassed up and re jumped to start it up.

    Learning experience is make sure your connectors look ok. Looking for a good way to check Continuity on each wire from harness to the socket. A loose connection will just throw up a bunch of codes or nothing at all...

 

 

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