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    S3 Tuning from DTUK/Shark Performance.

    Following on from GNJ's thread

    GNJ Motorsport Progress Thread - See Here For The Latest S3 Parts!


    I thought id update you guys officially what we have planned.






    FSR+ Hybrid - Multi-Channel Petrol Tuning System


    The latest addition to the DTUK® range, developed alongside Shark Performance, the FSR+ Hybrid has been developed for the very latest turbocharged premium petrol cars.


    In response to the shift to even more complex tamperproof vehicle ECU’s by many German car manufacturers we have teamed up with Shark Performance to develop a solution that offers a ‘remap in a box’ that does not require physical, warranty voiding, changes to your vehicles ECU. Combining the best of both worlds – the plug & play nature of a tuning box with the in-depth monitoring and software optimisation of a high-quality remap and DTUK’s years of successful system developments with Shark’s years of equally successful software development - the Hybrid is born.


    The FSR+ Hybrid Petrol Tuning System.


    The FSR+ Petrol Tuning System is an all new system that builds on our existing multimap technology from both our diesel CRD-T and petrol CRD-P systems and adds an increased level of multi-channel monitoring and control as demanded by the latest vehicle OEM ECU’s.


    The FSR+ is capable of interacting with multiple channels across multiple sensors to suit each application. These can include RPM, fuel injection, boost pressure, air mass, temperature and more. By simultaneously monitoring a variety of sensors an optimised level of tune can be safely achieved.


    Just like the DTUK® Diesel Tuning Systems you may already be familiar with, this system is designed to be plug and play albeit with more connections than most diesel applications due to the number of monitoring points mentioned above.


    To maintain quality, safety and suitability we only use Original Equipment (OE) connectors in our systems which enables easy, quick fitting in minutes, not hours. This means that the kit can be removed just as easily when required. Once the system is removed your car reverts back to factory settings.


    Often the system can be re-programmed to fit other applications if you change your current car*.


    Added benefit of the FSR+ Hybrid Petrol Tuning System.


    Historically, our systems have been designed specifically for standard cars. We appreciate that many petrol turbo owners will want to make future hardware upgrades to their engines. If you fall in to this category then you can take advantage of the FSR+ upgrade option where your system can be re-programmed to suit your modifications**.





    All FSR+ Petrol Tuning systems arrive to you carefully packed, complete with everything you will need for simple and straightforward installation. This includes full colour instructions, your petrol tuning system, the correct wiring harness including OE connectors and where applicable a blanking plug should you wish to temporarily return the car to standard trim without removing the loom.


    These units come with full TüV approval and are well protected in a special heat and acid-resistant plastic exterior housing. Wiring harnesses are equipped with up to seven separate connections and are thoroughly checked, physically and electronically, several times before despatch. The sturdy 18-pin connector used to connect the system to the loom provided is specially designed for tough conditions and is used throughout the automotive sector. The adapter plugs are manufactured to OEM quality. No soldering or cutting of wires is necessary. Just connect it up and it’s done!


    The FSR+ system is subject to the strict quality controls of the system manufacturer DTE Systems GmbH. This guarantees that you the customer will receive the best possible product.


    *Dependent on compatibility. A replacement loom may be required as well as a software change.


    **Software changes subject to development that may be chargeable and may require the vehicle being taken to DTUK®, Shark or an approved dealer thereof.

    Some information we have shared with the GOLF GTI forum which also relates to the S3/Golf R

    Hi guys i thought id start a new thread regarding our plans for tuning the latest VAG 2.0 TFSI including the new Golf R


    Our hardware is produced in Germany by DTE Systems Gmbh, and as their sole Official UK importer we (DTUK) have access to the latest technology they have available and quite often we have systems not available to anyone else.


    We have specialised in Diesel Tuning since 2005 and in that time we have sold over 15,000 kits worldwide and over the years have spent 1000's of hours developing our VAG Diesel Tuning kits. Over the last 12 months DTE have invested over £1.5 million into new production facilities including a top of the range MAHA 4WD dyno. The results they're seeing are fantastic but they're only interested in a plug in and go option, they're not interested in offering any stage 2 tunes for petrols.


    Over the last 9 years i can count on one hand the number of customers who have asked about adding an exhaust or FMIC to a diesel car weVE tuned for them, where as petrol enthusiasts kind of expect this. Hence the reason we have decided to partner Shark performance on the Petrol tuning side of things. Ben at Shark reminds me so much of myself as were both passionate about what we do, abet via 2 completely different methods but bringing both of years of knowledge together seams like a natural thing.


    Tuning boxes over the years have had a lot of bad press, and rightly so. Just like remaps there a good ones, and a lot more bad ones but I'm confident that we (DTUK and Shark Performance) are able offer the best warranty safe option there is on the market for the 2.0TFSI and many others.


    So getting back to the boxes, we will be offering 2 options to customers.




    1) The FSR system.


    this will be a stage 1 tune kit and has been designed for customers who have no plans to add any hardware upgrades to their car. The full retail price on that kit is £499 inc vat. and will be available direct from DTUK or Shark Performance HQ.




    2) The FSR+ system


    How does this differ to the FSR? Well as i mentioned earlier as the official UK importer for DTE i do have a really good relationship with them and when i asked if they could help us create something a little different, something that would allow us to offer a system capable of being updated for stage 2 tunes and above they were prepared to listen. Several months later the FSR+ was born.




    FSR on the left, and FSR+ on the right.











    As I've said DTUK is the only official UK importer of DTE Systems tuning modules, so you can be assured of a tuning system of the highest quality with the backing of one of Germanys longest established tuners.




    Both systems are now available to purchase, but at this time both kits are only available with Stage 1 tunes, the Stage 2 tunes will be released over the next week or so and i do believe that we will be offering packages with the relevant Milltek exhaust.


    This is still work in progress so if you have any questions please ask, and ill update this thread with the all important figures as soon as i can, but i can confirm that the stage 1 tunes will be approx 280/290 and the Stage 2 should be 300+

    As Graeme has already mentioned we have seen figures of 353PS produced in Germany.

    standard 2014 Audi 8V S3







    tuned




    over the next few weeks Shark will be starting our Stage 2 development for the Audi S3 so id like to think that with the gains were seeing from the Stage 2 Golf GTI that 360/370bhp could be achievable, again i must stress that these figures are my own personal views and we will update this thread in due course.


    Anyone wishing to purchase an FSR+ can contact GNJ Motorport or ourselves.


    The FSR+ is available for £649.00 and this includes fitting with any Shark Dealer, or available mail order with an £80 discount totalling £575.95 inc vat/carriage. Again these are available direct from ourselves or can be ordered via GNJ Motorsport.

    The FSR is available for £549.00 including fitting at DTUK, Shark HQ Again this system is available mail order with an £80 discount totalling £475.95 inc vat/carriage, these are available from DTUK or Shark HQ only
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    Sounds good mate, will look forward to the updates as they come through

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    So now there are three threads about the same topic?
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    Shear head bolt

    How did you remove the shear-headed bolts in the anti-tamper ECU cage? I drilled them out in the end but its a bit messy. i wondered if theres a special tool or im missed an easier way?

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by nervus View Post
    How did you remove the shear-headed bolts in the anti-tamper ECU cage? I drilled them out in the end but its a bit messy. i wondered if theres a special tool or im missed an easier way?

    Cheers,

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    Theres no need to remove them as were not touching the ecu at all Nervus.



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    So does the FSR box offer the same gains as the FSR+ as a stage 1 box?
    Is the cabling the same as the FSR+ box pictured?
    Thanks

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    You imply that this system avoids voiding the warranty as there are no 'physical' changes.

    But clearly, by fitting this and Audi warranty would still be null and void.

    What type of warranty would something like this come with from yourselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_G View Post
    You imply that this system avoids voiding the warranty as there are no 'physical' changes.

    But clearly, by fitting this and Audi warranty would still be null and void.

    What type of warranty would something like this come with from yourselves?
    Firstly, only the part of the warranty pertaining to you engine and drivetrain would be in question, not the entire warranty of the car.

    Secondly, this would only void you warranty IF Audi finds this on your car. The idea is that if you have problems with the engine or drivetrain, which hopefully you wouldn't have, you take the tuning box out and take your car to the dealership and act dumb. As there is no flashing of the onboard ECU, there is no TD1 flags so Audi can't know you've f***ed about with the car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    So does the FSR box offer the same gains as the FSR+ as a stage 1 box?
    Is the cabling the same as the FSR+ box pictured?
    Thanks
    the FSR and FSR+ both give the same stage 1 results, the FSR+ has the capability of being reprogrammed to suit Stage 2 hardware upgrades



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    Without getting too technical, can you explain how it attaches then? I assume the box sits in the engine bay is that correct? Or to you need to pull out some trim in the cockpit and it sits in the glove box or something? I'm interested in this, despite not thinking I'd remap my S3 as it seems like an easier, less 'risky' way of doing it, but I don't quite get how it would technically work. Is it like a piggy back system, in effect overriding the ecu standard parameters whilst its plugged in?
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    What does P-norm, P-Shlepp and P-rad mean on the graph?

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    But I guess ecu of the transmission and the engine is keeping track of the max torque and max boots(engine ecu) and fuelmix etc.
    This way they could at least see that you have had something there that made these changes!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moffe View Post
    But I guess ecu of the transmission and the engine is keeping track of the max torque and max boots(engine ecu) and fuelmix etc.
    This way they could at least see that you have had something there that made these changes!?
    I doubt they could prove anything though
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    The mere fact that these products exist means that VAG will be figuring out a way to detect them - potentially, as above, via some sort of data logging that can be interrogated.

    Faced with the significant cost of warranty claims globally, wouldn't you?

    Not worth the gamble for me.

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    I doubt they could prove anything though
    But they don't really have to. They could just say we think the engine has been 'tweaked' so we are not going to do a repair under warranty. It will then be up to you to take some form of 'action' to try and get them to pay for any work that needs doing and you are the one left with a broken car in the mean time. Much better to buy a car with the amount of power you want in the first place or accept the power of the car you have purchased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by h5djr View Post
    But they don't really have to. They could just say we think the engine has been 'tweaked' so we are not going to do a repair under warranty. It will then be up to you to take some form of 'action' to try and get them to pay for any work that needs doing and you are the one left with a broken car in the mean time. Much better to buy a car with the amount of power you want in the first place or accept the power of the car you have purchased.
    Thats fair enough, although in my experience most VAG engineers couldn't find their arse with both hands, so just saying the liklihood is very low. Also I've yet to see anyone, on any forum ever have warranty work refused for this (and I have looked!). If you have any examples please share
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    there are always fannys who wont take a chance on placing a coke can in a paper recycling bin in case they go to hell and thosemwho dont give a fcuk!

    you got to just go with what your comfortable with and what allwsmyou to sleep!

    personally, i dont think my local dealer (ive been using fir 12 years) lost any technicians to nasa. im not trying to be supercilious but appreciate it may sound such buy.........ive diagnosed more problems encountered, thanks to advice often from this forum than my dealer have solved!

    its just thier jobs not their life! similarly i work in aerospace and get spod customers who know more than me because its their passion and just a job to me!
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    Frightening that someone with that attitude and spelling ability gets to work in aerospace.

    Presumably you push the trolleys on the aircraft rather than anything of any substance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_G View Post
    Frightening that someone with that attitude and spelling ability gets to work in aerospace.

    Presumably you push the trolleys on the aircraft rather than anything of any substance.
    Appearances can be deceptive. How you can judge someone from one post on an online forum is quite beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_G View Post
    Frightening that someone with that attitude and spelling ability gets to work in aerospace.

    Presumably you push the trolleys on the aircraft rather than anything of any substance.
    In what context did you feel the need to take this topic to a personal level.

    May I suggest if you want to get personal and off topic you go join another forum.

    Back on topic....

    I've modified, tuned every car I've owned and have not once had an issue with a dealer refusing to carry out warranty work. Granted this work was not a 'blown engine' or anything significant and it is a 'risk' - but one worth taking in my opinion.

    I think it all depends on your dealer too.
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    Please can we have photos of the tuning box fitted?

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    Dan_G lol!!! My spelling is bad anyway but my smart(assed) phone doesnt help! You're right though my attitude is terrible but i dont often struggle to sleep! love you're avatar though, i once had a 930 turbo which that reminds me of but it was in Red rather than Sari Green!

    I would presume that VAG would have little to no inclination in investing resource into finding diagnostic solutions to determine if an individual has tuned their engine ffs! What a worried, troubled scared as fudge life some people must lead! VAG/ audi-motorsport outsourced developments to MTM in the first pkace hence their relationship and factory site placement.

    Each to their own, I personally will take the chance and maximise (imo) the cars potential for a paltry £1500!

    @Scott,

    Yes fleea, i got some pics, bare with me :-)
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    http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/attachm...079.479369.jpg


    http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/attachm...095.880064.jpg

    Sorry for having to load pics like this, I rarely use ipad for anything other than working! hope it works!?! if anyone wants any further photos info or a test drive - just PM me!

    :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nervus View Post
    http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/attachm...079.479369.jpg


    http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/attachm...095.880064.jpg

    Sorry for having to load pics like this, I rarely use ipad for anything other than working! hope it works!?! if anyone wants any further photos info or a test drive - just PM me!

    :-)
    Cheers. Looks nice and neat. What power increase you got with this? Also who suppliers them in the uk. Is it just plug and play?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    Please can we have photos of the tuning box fitted?
    Scott I'll ask Graeme at GNJ to take some photos of his DTUK/shark kit fitted to his S3
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    Silky, its plug and play but i've found it got stronger and stronger over about 20 - 30 miles or so. Theres an Anti-tamper metal cage around ECU which you need to remove! 3 x Aluminium shear bolts. i drilled the heads off the top two and the front one winds out from the back with molegrips. took 10 mins. ill happily fit for anyone or give more details but its really straight forward.

    QST Tuning / Kim Collins are sole uk MTM agent. I ordered one day and had it within 48hrs. i think mine is one of two in Uk, its a 360hp/450Nm. i had mine rollered twice now and 1st run was about 380hp, 450Nm! it seemed to get stronger so over a few days so we did a second run this morning and it produced 374hp amd 462Nm. i think it really depends on the rollers etc as my car kept climbing out :-/

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    shark sytem looks really neat amd super value!

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    This does look interesting although I am a bit confused. DTUK say you don't need to touch the ECU but Nervus says you do. Are we talking about two different products here?
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    Ahhh I'm in a dilemma! My regular tuning garage has offered me a Tuning box, to trial the gains and for their own knowledge as it will be their first 8V S3 they've done! I've previously stuck with remaps on other cars...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leeber View Post
    This does look interesting although I am a bit confused. DTUK say you don't need to touch the ECU but Nervus says you do. Are we talking about two different products here?
    Nervuus is talking about the MTM system, the DTUK/Shark systems doesn't touch the ecu at all.



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    Quote Originally Posted by GRE57Y View Post
    Ahhh I'm in a dilemma! My regular tuning garage has offered me a Tuning box, to trial the gains and for their own knowledge as it will be their first 8V S3 they've done! I've previously stuck with remaps on other cars...
    Id be asking if they have any dyno feedback for said box, we've spent a lot of time on this kit for the new 2.0TSI's hence the 52bhp gains were seeing



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    They've only used it on Mk7 GTI I think he said... They said they'd need my car for the full day to work on it etc

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    ben at Shark is currently working on our Stage 2 Golf gti kit and is seeing over 300bhp from Millteks Golf gti ppc.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ABYSS View Post
    Nervuus is talking about the MTM system, the DTUK/Shark systems doesn't touch the ecu at all.
    Thank you. Tiny brain, me.

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    I asked the make of the Tuning box that they would be using, and it is a DT box. My guess would be that it is a Shark FSR/+ box. I'm going to be booking in with them for fitting, hopefully within the next couple of weeks. Is there anymore information people can provide about Pros/Cons of Tuning boxes versus Remaps? Just a quick few bullet-points would be helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRE57Y View Post
    I asked the make of the Tuning box that they would be using, and it is a DT box. My guess would be that it is a Shark FSR/+ box. I'm going to be booking in with them for fitting, hopefully within the next couple of weeks. Is there anymore information people can provide about Pros/Cons of Tuning boxes versus Remaps? Just a quick few bullet-points would be helpful.
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    basics for me would be:

    Tuning box is untraceable (once removed) whereas a remap trips a VAG tamper code.
    A remap probably makes slightly better gains vs generic tuning box, one would think!
    Tuning box harder to fit as its a physical modification - one would have to have basic hand skills and common sense - really!?!
    Tuning box has some potential residual value once removed and is transferrable to a subsequent vehicle!
    The MTM M-Cantronic has a full warranty option, free bootlid badge, a MTM Pen :-)) oh and years of Audi tuning pedigree :-)

    I once had a well known remap installed at a gloryfied vw scrapyard via laptop to my 8L and it was terrible! once removed the car was even worse than the factory hp! I ended up driving a 600 round trip to Jabbasport who were alternatively awesome people who really knew their stuff and saved the cars soul!

    I guess im saying, do you're homework there will undoubtably be good and bad experiences with all options! a Strong visible presence, reputation and warranties speak for themselves. I thought it would be too early for the bottom feeders to have products for 8V but you only need to look on ebay !!! You'll be able to get re-flash at a mobile phone unlock kiosk soon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRE57Y View Post
    I asked the make of the Tuning box that they would be using, and it is a DT box. My guess would be that it is a Shark FSR/+ box. I'm going to be booking in with them for fitting, hopefully within the next couple of weeks. Is there anymore information people can provide about Pros/Cons of Tuning boxes versus Remaps? Just a quick few bullet-points would be helpful.
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    Who gives a crap what Audi might think, if its not on the car come any time it has to go in to Audi then from personal experience they wont have a clue.

    I've had two S3's from Audi and both been mapped straight away and when its been back for work never have they said "oh its been mapped, we're not touching it"

    From my experience they are trained fitters and computer operators (for the Audi Diagnostics software), and have come to the decision never to let Audi dealerships touch my car, unless under warranty for work they can't f*ck up.
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    I had my Mk6 GTI mapped by Shark and it triggered the TD1 code. After that, I had a replacement water pump, clutch, slave cylinder and other work. The dealership (and I believe VW UK) were aware of the TD1, and told me so, but still performed the warranty work without issue. I would be more careful in future, but it's worth baring in mind that the TD1 isn't the end of the world (at least, it wasn't for me) but I think a tuning box is now more desirable for me. I really need to see it being fitted and removed to 'sell it' to me though. I can't be arsed spending hours at the side of the motorway in the rain/dark if the car breaks down and needs recovering, in order to remove the tuning box before the car is recovered to an Audi dealership.

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    What does the P-Mot figure in the graph mean?

 

 
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