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    Quote Originally Posted by hittchy View Post
    I guess the crux of this is

    a) You don't have to buy it. The car is perfectly functional without the nav. Just use a TomTom if you prefer it.
    You are right on that point. The built in Sat nav does not need to be used, and I can carry on using my Tomtom, which I will do. The only issue I have is that they have that pop-up screen in the middle, getting in the way of positioning the Tomtom. I would have personally prefered to have a screen elsewhere (maybe lower down in the dashboard), or for Audi to come up with something useful on that screen, so I don't need to keep yet another external device.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sebtomato View Post
    You are right on that point. The built in Sat nav does not need to be used, and I can carry on using my Tomtom, which I will do. The only issue I have is that they have that pop-up screen in the middle, getting in the way of positioning the Tomtom. I would have personally prefered to have a screen elsewhere (maybe lower down in the dashboard), or for Audi to come up with something useful on that screen, so I don't need to keep yet another external device.
    You can fold the screen out the way by pressing the button on the dashboard.
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    I have my Tomtom positioned on the windscreen next to the A pillar. It initially took a bit of getting used to as I used to have it in the middle of the screen on my 8P, but this new position does have the advantage of being able to more or less hide the cable in suitable panel joins.
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    I far prefer things like that by the pillar rather than in the middle - blocks far less of your view. That's where I have my phone in its cradle in my current car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by constvoid View Post
    I have my Tomtom positioned on the windscreen next to the A pillar. It initially took a bit of getting used to as I used to have it in the middle of the screen on my 8P, but this new position does have the advantage of being able to more or less hide the cable in suitable panel joins.
    I have my TomTom in the same place. Much easier to hide the cable and also to set up anything on it as I'm right-handed. I have the cable powered from the fuse box and tucked behind the door rubber with only the last inch or so visible.
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    In my current car I have my phone charging cable disappear down by the A pillar under the dashboard, and I installed a switch and cabling to power it all from the fuse box so I can choose between off, on with ignition, or on permanently. It's good Don't think I'd dare take the A3's dashboard apart ot do the same though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sebtomato View Post
    Good point, thanks. I will try that, and it may work better than storing MP3 on the SD card.



    Sorry, but something costing £2,000 before and now down to £500 does not make it a bargain, when it's still inferior in functionality from a £100 device. To me, it would be a bargain if it was costing less than something with better functionality (and given that it comes with a car worth £20K already, it should be discounted rather than the other way round).

    I think they should just have a slot in the glove compartment where you can insert a PC card/box, and therefore have the functionality you want on the built-in screen. We would then see who buys the Audi module at £500... It would also allow for frequent updates of the software and hardware.

    The EU should actually force car manufacturer to implement this, in the same way they force mobile phone makers to have a standard micro USB port.
    I think you're missing the point here. If the EU forced manufacturers in the way you describe, Audi would just add the £500 to the price of the car and then sell the software for £100. It would still be win-win for them as all manufacturers would be in the same boat but the consumer would lose out. After using TomTom, Garmin and the Audi system, I'd still buy the Audi version. It does exactly what I want it to, so I'm not quite sure what else you'd like it to do. Little things, like being able to silence the voice navigation with the star button on the steering wheel add to the experience. It's just totally integrated.

    It may be inferior to you but not to me. That doesn't mean that Audi should make it cheaper just because you don't like the price. You can argue all day about speed camera locations or latest maps, but I prefer the integration of the factory system any day. That's what I'm happy to pay for - the integration. It's nice not to have to stick something to the windscreen each time I need navigation. I wasn't sure that it was worth the £500 (I actually had it free when I ordered) but I'm pretty certain I'd spec it next time.

    Phones having a micro USB port? When exactly did this happen? Pretty certain my iPhone doesn't have one so I guess the EU bureaucrats have failed on this one!
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    Apple sell a lightning -> micro usb adapter, they are required to by law - that is correct. Not on the phone, but they have to provide a way to charge over micro USB. Of course, Apple never play along with standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hittchy View Post
    After using TomTom, Garmin and the Audi system, I'd still buy the Audi version. It does exactly what I want it to, so I'm not quite sure what else you'd like it to do.
    I would like directions to be as clear as the Tomtom (clean,3D directions), and traffic information to be as accurate (at street level). If you don't drive in heavy traffic (e.g. London) or mainly on motorways, then you probably don't understand the major difference between the Audi traffic system (TMC), or any device getting similar traffic information, and the Tomtom live system.

    I can only suggest you borrow a Tomtom live and give it a try. Or rather not, since you would then understand how poor the Audi system is, once compared to other devices on the market...
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    The connect system comes with better traffic info than the TMC as far as I'm aware.

    You do seem to have trouble telling the difference between your own needs or opinions, and objective fact though. And like has been said all along - if you don't want it, don't pay for it! That's why it's called an 'option'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cemerson View Post
    You do seem to have trouble telling the difference between your own needs or opinions, and objective fact though.
    No, I don't. Objectively, a Tomtom live device or similar modern sat nav device is much better than the built-in sat nav offered by Audi.
    Show the two systems to 10 random people, or compare them in traffic conditions, and then you will get a very objective answer. Or just post screenshots online and ask people to vote. Or just race between two cars with each system, and see who arrives first.

    Lots of way to test the two systems objectively (irrespective of price), and I don't believe the Audi system would come first in many tests.

    Whoever thinks that the SD card system is wonderful, and on-part with other systems on the market, has either never tried anything else, or is not being objective...
    Next: either a MK7 Golf GT DSG or a new Audi A3 S-tronic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hittchy View Post
    Phones having a micro USB port? When exactly did this happen? Pretty certain my iPhone doesn't have one so I guess the EU bureaucrats have failed on this one!
    Well, Apple, with its typical, arrogant american behaviour, has kinda ignored the directive. As per other similar EU directives, it will come a time when they will suddenly decide that Apple cannot sell iPhones anymore in Europe until they comply, and then we will see who wins...

    The EU is also apparently forcing car manufacturers to include emergency calling systems in all cars soon. When the EU believes that the customer can profit from a regulation, then they implement. As for the "removal computer" regulation I am suggesting, the end customers would surely benefit from this (but of course not the car manufacturers, charging thousands for obsolete, not upgradable technology).
    Next: either a MK7 Golf GT DSG or a new Audi A3 S-tronic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sebtomato View Post
    Whoever thinks that the SD card system is wonderful, and on-part with other systems on the market, has either never tried anything else, or is not being objective...
    Can you control an aftermarket tomtom unit from the Audi MMI system?

    I think people are willing to trade off a few features of a tomtom unit simply to have a system integrated into the car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordo77 View Post
    Can you control an aftermarket tomtom unit from the Audi MMI system?

    I think people are willing to trade off a few features of a tomtom unit simply to have a system integrated into the car.
    Agree. Far prefer an integrated system to 'bolt on' bits.

    Same goes for the increasing number of people who are fitting those horribly tacky add-on LED DRL's!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sebtomato View Post
    No, I don't. Objectively, a Tomtom live device or similar modern sat nav device is much better than the built-in sat nav offered by Audi.
    Show the two systems to 10 random people, or compare them in traffic conditions, and then you will get a very objective answer. Or just post screenshots online and ask people to vote. Or just race between two cars with each system, and see who arrives first.
    Like I said, you have trouble telling objective facts from your own opinion. People find different things useful in a sat nav.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sebtomato View Post
    Or just race between two cars with each system, and see who arrives first.
    But not everyone always wants to take the quickest route!
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    I agree TMC is rubbish in comparison to the newer traffic services. That's why I went for the Tech Pack High. It is expensive though.
    However I don't see the point of a stand alone Tom Tom anymore. What advantage does it have over a smart phone app costing less than £30 or even free?

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    I think the new generation of sat navs may protect up on windscreen as a H.U.D. But wether they work in bright daylight or take off we will see, so a small projector stand alone sat nav may be less obtursive, but will still have the wires to power ? Gramin are bring one out. But built in is always nicer for interior, tech is always changing and tech pack / sat nav is a bit dear from Audi, but I'm not saying its not worth it, but I won't use enough to justify.
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