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    Very sad to hear this about Ricciardo, I read the team will appeal the decision, but this is not good for F1, sort it out before they get on the grid! (like john said)

    Excellent race, excellent result (apart from the above) good to see a different mix of drivers and teams, with genuine race pace.

    Bottas was my driver of the day, top class overtaking.


    Buttons nose chopped off, has his car finished under legal dimensions ???

    I didn’t find it boring today, far from it… cannot wait for Malaysia !!

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    Don't know how long those low noses are going to stop around for after Kobayashi rear ended Massa , another 20mph and he may have gone completely under the rear of Massa's car. I am sure they will be looking into it.
    As for buttons nose I thought that was part of the crash structure, doesn't look to be too good if it falls off by being knocked.
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    Now that 'some' of the dust has cleared I can only conclude that F1 has just done a:





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    Quote Originally Posted by slepy View Post
    Good to see other teams scoring well today.
    Is it me or it was still boring as hell?
    I would say if it hadn't been for Bottas then it would have been a bit drab. You've got a lot of people managing a lot of factors behind the scenes (limited fuel / KERS / ERS / reliability / Pit stops), and whilst it adds dimensions to the racing in terms of strategy management, I think the one vital component is still missing; flat out (balls out) racing. If I wanted to watch in depth strategy I'd watch chess; all I've ever really wanted from F1 is for talented drivers to go out in a quick car and wring it's neck all afternoon to achieve the best possible result. If it had been kept reasonably simple I think this could have achieved, but then there would have been no jobs for the boys.
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    Completely agree. Fuel saving and tyre saving should have no place in motorsport.

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    Woohoo, great win for LH! I quite enjoyed watching today's race for some reason, not a classic by any means, but more enjoyable than Australia anyways.

    But I did find it strange that the SLS pace car had a nicer engine note than the current F1 cars!
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    Trackside before they did not sound brilliant anyway,really whiney and not like say an AMG beast

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    Agree with you JoJo, not a classic but I too enjoyed the race today, lots of activity right down the field.


    What do you think of this “regulation” on unsafe release?

    Imo I think it’s a little harsh not only to give a driver a 10-second stop and go, but also a 10-place grid drop at the next race?

    Id agree with the punishment for, unsafe release into another car in the pit lane, because that’s down the team, someone saying stop or go.. "trying" to get out a little quicker

    ..but you'd never "try" to get away with sending a car off without 4 wheels on properly.


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    Agree with that Ghost, it's too much for a mistake that's cost him twice in the race already! Nobody was physically hurt, the wheel didn't fall off, so are they making an example of Red Bull? I certainly hope so, but I would have been happier if it was Vettel.

    Go Massa - don't accept the team orders so early in the season! If Bottas was faster why didn't he pass? Hamilton wouldn't wait to be invited through in the same situation.

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    How does so much of the bad luck in Red Bull get directed to the 'no.2' driver???? It's almost like all the resources are directed to supporting Vettel.

    Didn't think much of today's race, the midfield battles were the highlights, but still amazed how many cars were getting two straights of DRS assistance and still failing to pass.

    The most technically interesting piece for me is how Hamilton managed to win / deliver fastest times yet his fuel usage was lower than those in the pack (other than Williams). I'm not sure I fully understand how all the harvested energy technologies are coming together to deliver the overall power performance, and then how it is subsequently deployed. Wish you could see with graphics when then are deploying it.

    Glad to see Red Bull not winning every race, but for some reason the season doesn't yet feel that racy. It just feels a touch tentative with people going into conservation mode to protect tyres /fuel / engines / gearboxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warren_S3 View Post
    How does so much of the bad luck in Red Bull get directed to the 'no.2' driver???? It's almost like all the resources are directed to supporting Vettel.

    Didn't think much of today's race, the midfield battles were the highlights, but still amazed how many cars were getting two straights of DRS assistance and still failing to pass.

    The most technically interesting piece for me is how Hamilton managed to win / deliver fastest times yet his fuel usage was lower than those in the pack (other than Williams). I'm not sure I fully understand how all the harvested energy technologies are coming together to deliver the overall power performance, and then how it is subsequently deployed. Wish you could see with graphics when then are deploying it.

    Glad to see Red Bull not winning every race, but for some reason the season doesn't yet feel that racy. It just feels a touch tentative with people going into conservation mode to protect tyres /fuel / engines / gearboxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Agree with you JoJo, not a classic but I too enjoyed the race today, lots of activity right down the field.


    What do you think of this “regulation” on unsafe release?

    Imo I think it’s a little harsh not only to give a driver a 10-second stop and go, but also a 10-place grid drop at the next race?

    Id agree with the punishment for, unsafe release into another car in the pit lane, because that’s down the team, someone saying stop or go.. "trying" to get out a little quicker

    ..but you'd never "try" to get away with sending a car off without 4 wheels on properly.


    it's racing.... or it should be

    do you remember the photographer that got a loose wheel square in the back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex C View Post
    do you remember the photographer that got a loose wheel square in the back?

    Sadly I do, but with respect this regulation don’t prevent wheels coming off.

    maybe Put the photographer in a cage?

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    Today's BTCC was far more interesting.
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    I forgot to mention in my original reply that I found it odd the commentators had access to fuel consumption, albeit, in the form of how much used in percentage, who the hell actually cares?! Unfortunately, it's part and parcel of F1 today, so guess we have to accept it!

    Re the unsafe release saga, it was agreed by the teams that a 10 grid penalty would be instated at the next race should it happen! Also, there's another rule which states that all personnel in the pits area must be wearing a helmet of some sort, and not all the Redbull mechanics had headgear on whilst pushing Ricciardo's car back to their pit, so let's see if that rule comes into play.

    Re the harvesting of energy aswell, I read a Lewis Hamilton article on how quali and racing requires 2 different type of driving styles. Going into a corner, he just backs off the throttle, and the energy recovery kicks in on the coast down, and he would get 1G of braking just from that, then he needs to 'feel' for the braking point, and it is this that he has to master on these cars to become a more efficient driver, which takes concentration. In quali, it's all out braking late, as he doesn't need to worry about the recovery, he only needs the boost for one lap!
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    I know the teams were only supposed to test at Jerez & Bahrain, but Mercedes seem to have this new Engine\Drivetrain all figured out already! Does anyone feel they may be guilty of secret testing (maybe in a disguised body shell) again, or is it a result of throwing an unlimited research budget at it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artimus View Post
    I know the teams were only supposed to test at Jerez & Bahrain, but Mercedes seem to have this new Engine\Drivetrain all figured out already! Does anyone feel they may be guilty of secret testing (maybe in a disguised body shell) again, or is it a result of throwing an unlimited research budget at it?
    My belief is they had started throwing their resources to the hybrid drivetrain last year, once they saw how dominant the Redbulls was last year, so technically, they had a head start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    My belief is they had started throwing their resources to the hybrid drivetrain last year, once they saw how dominant the Redbulls was last year, so technically, they had a head start.


    Same way Button won with Brawn GP in 2009.


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    What did you all think about “Sherlock” post-race questions on the podium?



    In never been a fan of the talking to the drivers up there, maybe good for the fan’s at the circuit, but it’s a bit of a free-for-all imo.
    But now they getting actors on the podium……. give me a break!!
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    My vote goes for Jason Statham up there doing interviews on the podium. x
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    they were saying in the BBC race commentary that Mercedes had started development alot earlier than the other teams
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    I don't like the podium interviews as they don't seem to ask pertinent questions, but mainly because you can't see the drivers' expressions when they've done something naughty.

    That said, Sherlock seemed more comfortable than many previous "guests" and handled it quite well I thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    [B]What do you think of this “regulation” on unsafe release?
    A MINIMUM 7-second pit stop, that's double what most teams achieve/require now, so it'll give those pit-crew guys (and gals, maybe?) time to make sure ALL 4-wheels are secure...

    Alternatively, just BLACK flag 'em...

    This is a race after all and so many elements to go wrong within that 2-hour/200-mile window

    As for actors on the podium, then that's one hell of a reason for a trap door!
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    Someone on here had to stumble upon Sherlock speaking to Tony Hawks…..cringeworthy but strangely addictive to carry on watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45bvtc View Post
    A MINIMUM 7-second pit stop, that's double what most teams achieve/require now, so it'll give those pit-crew guys (and gals, maybe?) time to make sure ALL 4-wheels are secure...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Yeah? Thanks! Spooky. I'll let RS3copilot know...

    But what about the trap door for actors/celebrities?

    Landlords, you know what I mean, are OK for me; but actors (the definition of is in the word) should NOT be allowed anywhere near a technical area (grid/podium/etc.) unless they have a mega degree of automotive nouse and are willing to contribute - and reading someone else's lines/words doesn't do it for me.

    Actors need to stay on the stage and be closed off by curtains (or a trap door) when done, unless they have something of technical substance to contribute.

    Ok, so I AM/was a creative engineer... now retired but still opinionated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45bvtc View Post
    Yeah? Thanks! Spooky. I'll let RS3copilot know...
    Well if it was RS3copilits idea x

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    Well, Bahrain this weekend, im thinking it be a good race. x
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    I'm watching FP3 now, Vettel in the gravel! Haha. The Mercs are dominating, it's going to be a boring year again!
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    Taken from Sky Sports News, the secret of the Merc engines! Quite interesting!

    The secret of Mercedes' current domination of F1's new turbo era has been made public after Sky Sports F1's Mark Hughes revealed intricate details of how the Silver Arrows are packaging the hitherto-dominant W05.

    Sky F1 analyst Hughes has learnt that, in a highly complicated engineering feat, the team have successfully packaged their turbine and air compressor at either end of the W05's engine.

    The innovative design - which, like the best ideas, sounds simple, is vastly complex and brilliantly effective - is believed to have been conceived over two years ago.

    The revelation is also the best explanation yet for why the W05 has so far proved unbeatable in 2014, with Nico Rosberg's cruise to victory in Australia followed by Lewis Hamilton scoring F1's version of a hat-trick - pole position, the fastest lap of the race and victory - in Malaysia on Sunday.

    Hughes has learnt that the Brackley team's ties with Mercedes High Performance Engines gave them a critical headstart at the start of F1's new turbo age.

    Looking to achieve the most aerodynamically efficient car possible, the Mercedes team had significant influence over power unit design created at the German manufacturer's engine base in Brixworth.

    Writing in Motorsport magazine, Hughes discloses that Mercedes' breakthrough 'innovation is having the turbo's compressor at one end of the engine and the turbine at the other, linked by a long shaft through the vee of the engine'.

    The 'trick turbo layout' triggers a series of critical performance benefits. A reduction in turbo lag means less power needs to be be harvested from the car's ERS unit to keep the turbine spooled off throttle. That in turn improves the efficiency of the car, with more power reserved for performance gain and less fuel consequentially used up.

    Mercedes' customer teams all have the same advantage. However, because McLaren, Williams and Force India only took delivery of their power units relatively recently, they have had less time to work the layout into their respective car designs.

    But for the works outfit, the benefits of the W05's innovative layout has proved multifaceted.

    With the compressor further away from the turbine - which is spun by hot exhaust gases - the W05 has a smaller intercooler, meaning Mercedes are running with smaller sidepods which boost aerodynamic performance.

    Furthermore, with the compressor in front of the engine, Mercedes have also moved their car's gearbox forward, improving its centre of gravity and therefore, in theory, its handling.

    But while Mercedes' rivals are aware of the championship leaders' secret, they are essentially powerless to react. The engines for 2014 are now in lock-down, with February 28 marking the agreed homologation date by which all the teams had to register their design for the new season with the governing body, the FIA.

    The Mercedes power unit has been widely credited as being the critical performance differential in their victorious start to the new season. Red Bull boss Christian Horner claimed in Malaysia that his team was one second slower along the straights, with trackside observers estimating that the Mercedes unit boasts anything between 50 and 70 extra horsepower over the rest of the field.

    Mercedes' domination continued on the track on Friday in practice for this weekend's Bahrain GP with Lewis Hamilton topping a Silver Arrows one-two in both of the day's sessions, one second clear of the distant chasing pack. So far this season, a Mercedes W05 has been quickest in fourteen of the sixteen track sessions.
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    Don't forget the fuel.

    During the recent Ferrari engine development program recently screened by SKY it was claimed that 99% of the Shell fuel used was the same as you and/or I could purchase at the pumps, but it was that 1% that made the 'power' difference.

    During engine development it was shown that the performance and/or life of a 2014 Ferrari engine on the dynamometer could vary from 4-hours to 40-minutes dependant on that 1% mix.

    And this is what both Adrian Newey and the Renault engine engineer alluded to in the Team Principals conference yesterday, interesting...

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    Ha, Vettel not into Q3! Makes me very happy indeed. Shame he yet again benefits from his team mates misfortune! Ricciardo qualifies 3rd, but gets demoted 10 places, so Vettel is 10th!.... Boooo....



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    What a race
    Brilliant to watch,so much for boring engines
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    one of the most action packed races I have seen for years. Mercedes are so much faster than evrybody else, even more of an advantage than Red Bull have had in years gone by.They were 2.5 seconds a lap fater than evrybody else.
    Virtually all the team mates having a go at each other as some time.
    I can see Maldonado not making it to the end of the year without being disqualified for at least one race, He is an idiot.
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    Masterclass from Lewis, very good race, lots to talk about again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Masterclass from Lewis, very good race, lots to talk about again.
    To be honest, I, and probably everyone else, thought Lewis was a gonna once the safety car came out. I was like 'NOOOOOO', Rosberg is just going to out brake him into the first turn once the safety car goes in on the soft rubber. Of course he tried, but a masterclass of driving, and using the slingshot lines meant he could get the position back almost immediately, and that's what made this race so special!

    Hats off to Mercedes for letting them race, even though they did insist thy bring both cars home, and hats off to Rosberg for having a go to make it exciting for the viewers, non of this Muilti 21 crap!

    How Lewis managed to hold him off on the option tyre with DRS available to Rosberg too we'll never know? But like the commentators said after the race, they know each other very well from their karting days, and it was like watching a kart race for the last 10 laps. Plus they could still pull almost 3 secs a lap on the rest of the field whilst racing for position! Amazing!
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    Really looking forward to the Shanghai GP now!

    I hope there's as much action as this race!!



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    Wow, Hamilton really put one over on Rosberg this time! Slower by 0.6 secs a lap & still managed to keep him behind... Rosberg is not a happy man.

    I'm a bit disappointed with the Williams effort, especially Massa ...I expected more from him this season. but great racing all down the field. The safety car made the difference for most of the teams, and the Mercedes pair were at it hammer & tongs all day.

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    It's good to see Hamilton back to his best, the last few years he's let his personal life get in the way of his racing!

    Good race and Maldonado needs banning rly don't like the guy!

 

 
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