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    want opinions... good or bad. NO KICKING OFF THO or it will be locked as usual

    what is everyones feelings on this quote.

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    Take your hats off to all the other people that have died doing there jobs, the delivery men on Ł5.75ph rushing around bringing your new ipod that crashed his van, the supermarket workers that fell down those concrete steps carrying those over filled boxes, the nhs workers that got stabbed trying to help that pyscho patient. respect to the boys at war but you aint the only ones dieing for your country. The Media need to chill out.

    Discuss... Is it Offensive? Un-true? or wrong because its not PC.
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    Its fine by me. We don't do National Service, so everyone who went to war chose to do so and knew the potential risks.

    And I'm not belittling the great work they do.
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    I agree with the above to be honest. I'm grateful for the work the forces do, but at the same time there are others that risk their lives and I benefit from it.
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    i find it hard to believe that out of 30 veiws 2 persons has a point of view. This is unlike ASN! speak people speak! no one is normally afraid to voise there 2 pence.

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    i only ask this as i had some geeza i not even know go spack on me coz i mentioned it. I wrote that quote and its from the heart. yes its sad and all but no one forced them to get a job in the forces. having family in the forces they agree with me. the media is over hyping it all. really does quite annoy me if im honest. As my quote suggests, theres more to being a hero that being killed on afgan!

    Some 3 year old got dragged out a burning car buy a 18 year old a few week ago.... passer by just any old jo. saved the kid abut died of burns. did you hear about that in the news??? did you feck. Whos the real hero?
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    Agree with the above comments too !!!! And as for your statement about the guy that died saving a toddler, well what can I say , the ****whole we live in, being ran by idiots don't concern there selves with jo public ! Were only here to contribute to any diluded ideas they come up with that need funding, not to be listened to or treated fairly in anyway !!!
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    Its probally worst for a nurse to get killed than a soldier imo as said you pick the job and the risks associated. Soldier are trained for war and some die, nurses are trained to help people and expect not to have their lives thretened.

    Soldiers often get hero awards for essentially doing thier job a good job but its a free world to choose your role.
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    The point that you are missing is that soldiers serve and sometimes make the ultmate sacrifice for YOUR FREEDOM AND SECURITY.
    Yes, people die everyday in all walks of life, but soldiers do it not for themselves but for you. A soldier is someone who puts their life on the line in a foreign country for the protection of others.

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    I'm gonna say that whilst I have respect for the soldiers and the military in general, I find it hard to understand why we're wasting cash and lives fighting a war that seems to have no end-game now. Surely there'd be more value in having bits of the armed forces restoring order to some of the bits of "broken Britain". I'm sure that a heavy hand from a couple of army lads would make hoodie-clad chavs think twice about thieving and mugging.

    There are an awful lot of non military personnel that put their lives on the line for our comfort and safety, and I'm grateful.

    However, it's rare to see good and effective civil servants/ police/ council workers these days. Speaking as an ex-public employee, most public money gets wasted on wages for fatcats and ineffectual personnel that have been installed into roles where they don't get tested or questioned. When was the last time you saw something done for the greater or public good?
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    glad im not the only one thinking this then.

    Sidebar: i agree with you there too but be honest..... if mr Dirty bomber or mr taiban wants to blow us or anyone else for the matter there just going to do it aint they. a few 100 Army fellas aint going to stop them isit, more of an inconvenience. Troops should be pulled out, think they got the message not to fk with anyone anymore, i think its just the gangs fighting back now. If someone invaded or tried to control our land to stop us kicking off with each other, the invaders would get killed, THE MINORITY gangs like chav gangs, thugs, gangters etc friday night pissheads would switch and have the attitude, "your here for a war so have a war". IM IN NO WAY STICKING UP FOR THE IRAQ DUDES IN ANY WAY but im putting my self in there shoes for just 2 seconds. As i said in the first post, its media hype, its made to look worse than it is, (thats comming from my cousin whos been out there 3 times).

    It hurts the wifes and Children of the deceased serviceman seeing there death spread all over the tv 3 times a night, and reminded every other time some other soldier dies. think its about time they were left alone. there doing there job and we all respect them for doing it.

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    @ Alpine, your argument seems now to have changed as to whether we should be in Iraq or not.
    If thats the case then no, we shouldn't be there, but we are, and the soldiers there are risking their lives to try and make it a better place for the people there.
    On a personal note, I haven't yet seen on the news footage anything worth fighting for thats worth the life of one soldier.

    If you argument is still for whether people should die at work then accidents happen. Its a world of difference to someone carrying boxes falling down stairs to someone who is deliberatly being targetted.

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    my point is dieing whist doing your job is the same thing if its being shot by a dirty bomber or smashing your van up on the m25. a jobs a job, if it involves risk you know this before you start it (as you said) Why do we not have a bbc covered tribute to joe smith that has been delivering your ebay items for the last however many years. just weeks away from his retirment etc etc who unfortunatly dies due to crashing his van. Does not happen does it.

    Its just getting annoying that all you see is tributes to poor hard done by soldiers that have passed in the line of juty splashed all over the tv. ITS THERE JOB!!! no one made them join the forces did they?? And for wifes and members of the forces to say the same must be saying something??

    I know alot will disagree, i know alot will stay silent to not ruin the ASN reputations, i also know that people agree as its been a on going convo down the local for months. Not wanting to upset anyone and like i say, i respect the boys at war, i just think its getting a bit OTT what the Media are portraying it to be.

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    now this will probally read wrong and I don`t want to tar everyone with the same brush but the lads I went to school with who joined the army were not the sharpest tools in the box. Lads at work often come from the services of some sort and even they rip into each other from aircraft techs to foot soldiers which were smart and which could lift big things...............
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    lol, Alpine you always manage to raise a controversal thread! lol

    I think if the TV and media covered all the people unfortunate to die whilst working (Joe Public ones) then the airing slots would be full! Sadly there may be too many to mention. It is a sad state of life that people do indeed die doing their day to day jobs like nursing staff, police, even teachers. Alot do get mentioned in local press though.

    As for the soldiers, yup they chose and yup its a risk they are willing to take. But to me I find it sad seeing their faces on the news far far too often. All young leaving young families, its heart breaking and I do feel it should be told to us.

    On another note, I do feel we should get our lads out! Totally out! Enough is enough now and ok they are doing it for a safer world for us and I respect that but I think its a lost cause now and too many are being lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah's A3 View Post
    lol, Alpine you always manage to raise a controversal thread! lol

    I think if the TV and media covered all the people unfortunate to die whilst working (Joe Public ones) then the airing slots would be full! Sadly there may be too many to mention. It is a sad state of life that people do indeed die doing their day to day jobs like nursing staff, police, even teachers. Alot do get mentioned in local press though.

    As for the soldiers, yup they chose and yup its a risk they are willing to take. But to me I find it sad seeing their faces on the news far far too often. All young leaving young families, its heart breaking and I do feel it should be told to us.

    On another note, I do feel we should get our lads out! Totally out! Enough is enough now and ok they are doing it for a safer world for us and I respect that but I think its a lost cause now and too many are being lost.

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    indeed i do Sarah

    this has been going on for months down my local and within my family. (60% of which are in the the forces) With all the voices on ASN and alot of different people i thought it would be a good solid discussion other than the norm! Also im not saying every death should be broadcast on tv, a mention that a serviceman/woman is enough. Dont need to see the plane comming in, the coffin comming off, the local tribute etc etc etc. As a few as you will know this is also my living collecting the coffins of British residents that have died away from the airport taking them to there familys. i see it first hand from both sides so to speak. Its sad as any death is. I just think it needs to be toned down a bit thats all. The amount of Coffins, familys, deaths i deal with a day its all to real on how much grief there is in the world without it being plasterd over the TV. Its not a new thing, people die every minute!

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    indeed they do but it would also be nice if sometimes, just sometimes the news and press covered happier stories too! Our country and World cant bee all doom and gloom!!!


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    I am still getting confused as to your actual point here. Is it that not all deaths however caused are covered by the press or just the press coverage of solidiers dying?
    The media are hounds regardless but a guy delivering your grocerys is a tad different to the guy defending the free world against terror.
    Yes, granted, career choice and all that. Guy deliving stuff does it for the cash, soldiers do it to make a difference to the world.

    Convince me that the photo below may just as well been a bunch of flowers tied to a tree next to a main road.

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    wheres that pic taken??? that is frightingly sad!


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    my point of this thread is asking your opinions on my first posted Quote. The discussion has grown from that. Dont get confoooozed fella its not good for your image.

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    Sarah. Coleville Sur Mere, Omaha Beach Normandy.

    And its a lot bigger than that, the photo is about half the width.

    See these guys? They got a round of applause and people were shaking their hands and thanking them. Not the sort of thing you do to a van driver, warehouse worker, nurse etc.


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    I think that picture and comment sum it all up. There is an element of risk crossing the road,or a metiorite might land on you, you might crash your van etc. You get paid for the risks involved however slim.

    The soldier does it to defend others, or his country the money is a kind of by product of the career choice they have made.

    I am not sure that the last time a tesco van driver made it through a dodgy part of town he was called a hero, yet if a soldier manages to save a family of people he does not know by doing his job, surely it's fair for him to be called a hero.

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    Alpine, I am still on topic regards your first quote.

    Ain't really got an image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidibear View Post
    Sarah. Coleville Sur Mere, Omaha Beach Normandy.

    And its a lot bigger than that, the photo is about half the width.

    See these guys? They got a round of applause and people were shaking their hands and thanking them. Not the sort of thing you do to a van driver, warehouse worker, nurse etc.

    And they deserve it. I know sadness, my uncle fought but at 18 he got his nose and part of his face blown off fighting for people back home. It happened as he went back to save a few of his lads who had been shot. When he got home he was treated as a freak because people only saw what was right in front of them and not the whole picture, ruined him BUT he would have done it again as he believed in what he was doing. He was my hero!

    And yes people in everyday jobs like firefighters who save people etc are also heros, but thats because they put their life second to save others! Very selfless!


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    those old boys had no choice but to goto war. They are REAL heros. Respect all day long goes without saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah's A3 View Post

    And yes people in everyday jobs like firefighters who save people etc are also heros, but thats because they put their life second to save others! Very selfless!
    my point to the tee.. dont see there big tribute plastered over the press do you?

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    Sarah, when for instance, a firefighter, lifeboat crew, police officer dies in the line of duty it makes the news, not so a delivery driver, or warehouse worker.
    There are some jobs where risks are great and danger to life is a daily occurance, people who carry out these jobs without thought for thier own safety are real heros, no question about it.
    And don't forget, lifeboat crews don't get paid but are prepared to risk their lives to save others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidibear View Post
    Sarah, when for instance, a firefighter, lifeboat crew, police officer dies in the line of duty it makes the news, not so a delivery driver, or warehouse worker.
    There are some jobs where risks are great and danger to life is a daily occurance, people who carry out these jobs without thought for thier own safety are real heros, no question about it.
    And don't forget, lifeboat crews don't get paid but are prepared to risk their lives to save others.
    so from what your saying here, a persons life is worth less if there not protecting someone else in there roles of work. i.e not important enough? think thats called ignorance. The point of the quote was to say, death is a fact of life, if your "protecting the country" or like a teacher or such likes protecting your children, we are all the same. So why is it such a big deal that the men and women that are doing there jobs (all be it in the forces) get special over pressed fair wells?

    like the lifeboat men, would the soldiers still do it if they were not getting payed?? i would expect not.

    Im hoping you and the asn "thanks gang" will keep to topic and not get personal as i am staying as diplomatic as possable. It would also be nice to have a thread roll out instead of being locked because someone mite not like it! After all this is a forum.
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    If someone dies during their time at work then thats just unfortunate. I didn't say or indicate that one persons life has more value depending on how they die.
    Soldiers die defending the country, not because they fell down some stairs. Massive huge difference.

    Take away the soldiers and what have you got left ? If you aren't already controlled by a socialist facist state speaking German and unable to cross the road unless the green man is showing then currently you would probably be controlled by the islamic shaira laws and your wife would be wearing a pair of curtains, thats if the IRA hadn't taken over first.

    Protecting you from bad things is what soldiers and the emergency services do, and you should thank them, or at least pay them respect when they die defending or protecting you.

    Someone elses accident at work didn't or probably never will change my life as much as that made by the armed forces and emergency services have and will.

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    you have missed the point of this sidebar imo. your ranting the political past.

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    Nope, not missed the point.
    You are saying that soldiers don't deserve the accolade they receive when they are repatriated in a coffin and that everyone else who dies doing their job should be shown the same accolade.
    I am saying that a death caused by an accident at work is different to the death of a soldier.
    My point in the last post was that if there were no soldiers it would be a very sorry UK that we live in today. Not so if there were no supermarket workers, van drivers or psych nurses as per your first quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALPINE View Post
    i just think its getting a bit OTT what the Media are portraying it to be.
    Whilst I agree in part to some of the original quote, I'm not sure I've seen the media doing that. Yes yesterday was a bad day for the services with 10 (?) or so being repatriated back home, and there was a big send off at the RAF base etc. But this took about three minutes of the 10 O'Clock news - I don't think thats over dramatic in the circumstances myself.
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    QuattroJames, I totally agree.
    They have made the ultimate sacrifice and so deserve all the attention they get

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    there doing there job!

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    Their job isn't to die, its to save the world from tyranny. Dying is a relatively bad side effect.
    However, not one that can be compared to crashing a van or falling down the stairs.

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    as i have said... you have missed the point of the quote. it aint about mavis falling down the cargo steps at asda and cracking her head open. If im honest i think you know this already your just choosing to be Pedantic.

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    " keep to topic and not get personal "

    You have agreed in an earlier post that I hadn't missed the point. In my experience the first one to resort to personal attacks is losing the argument....

    And you are still yet to convince me that the photo I posted may well have just been a bunch of flowers attached to a tree on the side of a main road. If you can't think of a relative response then you have lost your own argument.

    Facts are, soldiers defend the free world, thats you and me, they do it so you don't have to, and as such show them some respect, you are more than welcome to do the job yourself if you want.
    Emergency services also deserve the respect.
    Sorry to piss on your bonfire but other jobs are done to earn a wage, and if death occurs its usually because of some freak accident.

    JSD 2.59
    Synergy-Solutions

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    Yes its diesel, now cry u lost

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    carry on fella

    Now to many mods to list! Lots of power, torque and Leather!

 

 
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