Occupation is occupation, irrespective of the purpose or the geography.
The people making attacks on the west are people born in the west, they could train anywhere. We need to stamp out the radicalism in this country.
If they want to train to be terrorists, they will do it anywhere. Short of elimination of all of the extremists and their ideologies we will never be victorious.
It would appear that Islam is open to a lot of interpretation, and it doesn't appear to be a very tolerant religion. Please don't ask me to explain that statement, I'll simply say 'teddybear'
I agree with some of the points you just made. However(you knew this was coming), The kind of training these people do can't be done anywhere. You writing that just reinforces my point about you having ****** all common sense(make whatever remarks you wish about how intelligent you think I am, it amuses me that armchair debaters such as yourself seem to think you know the subject matter, when all your so called points are the ones that you have formulated from what you have seen on the tv,read in the paper/internet etc. WAKE UP MAN! You know as much as X Y Z's press officers and media handlers want you to know. I might start taking you more seriously when you validate things from experience of being out on the "ground" and seeing how it really is for yourself. But that will never happen. So I simply can't take any of your armchair or chocolate box speculations seriously) Ok, so if "they" wanted to see if their latest IED or EFP worked, they could do a controlled explosion in Windsor could they? Oh, well what about testing and training their small arms capabilities? Its ok! Because they could carry out a Platoon attack in Maidenhead High Street! Its one thing learning from a book how to do these things(which I'm sure they do everywhere) but you actually HAVE to practice them if any force/group/faction is worth their salt. At the moment the majority of these "acts" are tested in either Afghan or the northern borderlands of Pakistan. And for every attack on the West, regardless of where these people are born, there is at least 50 rehearsels in these aformentioned places. Every operation ISAF/Coalition forces do, x y z amount of training camps are searched out and terminated, and that includes the recruits there and the trainers. I know this, I say again, because I saw them in the flesh with my own eyes. When you have time, and when your head isn't so far up your **** you are eating things in your throat, you will might actually realise what the true meaning/definition of occupation is. For a country to truly occupy another one it has to do more than just show up. Nazi Germany occupying France is a classic example. The French laws and even the flag was done away with. German flags and German law/rule replaced them. Is that happening in Afghanistan? In EVERY overt camp,DC and FOB there is the Afghan flag flying. British soldiers are briefed on Afghan tradition and culture so not to offend the civillians if it can be helped. Afghan law, culture and tradition is still firmly in place. Does that really sound like an "occupation"? No, we are merely a presence there. The only organisation that claims so is the Taliban. Because we outsted them for harbouring terrorists and supressing the Afghan people. The people despised the Taliban. Even the old guard (Mujahadeen) were in/are in support of our presence. And they are the ones that outsted the Russian "occupiers".
And according to you every "Jihad" attack on the West has been carried out by people born in the West? You really are in need of an education!
Now, this has been real "stimulating", but I have much better things to do with my spare time like making babies. I will not be replying to anymore posts on this thread regardless. No hard feelings ay lad'!
Oliver