Right, some of these quotes are no longer in chronological order; but as I'm looking at the whole discussion, and even some background issues, it perhaps makes things a little easier to digest.
It's tragic and amusing in equal measure that this rages on.
Jeeeezuusss christ... is this still going on?? And I thought I was bad!
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I truly believe no one feels as strongly about any of it as they are making out. Because at the end of the day we are talking about a joke, and a joke being moved.
So let's be honest, this argument is more about being right than what is right.
Our very own aythreee has absolutely nailed it. This is an argument about a joke, and a joke being moved.
Thank whichever deity you please that aythreee and a few others have got the perspective I was hoping for with my last post. I'm not sure what it'd have done for my confidence in mankind otherwise.
OK, I think it'd be interesting to do some quick revision. We'll start with the 'flash point'...
Post number 7 on this thread:
anyone want to do bad taste jokes can you do them in the jokes section please as its disrespectful here.
Moderator makes a request for "bad taste jokes" (and I guess there aren't many jokes made about anyone's death within a couple of days of it happening which aren't broadly 'bad taste' - how 'bad' is debatable, but always a factor) to be put in the jokes section,
a couple of clicks away, suggesting that it's disrespectful here. As Staz says later, this is generally the way it happens around here. Someone dies, people arrive in General Chat to say "oh dear" or "really?"; and then head off to the jokes section to have a cheeky laugh about it. There's never normally any drama, everyone gets on with it and there's no more said about it.
Here's post number 8; which for those of you hard of mathematics, directly follows number 7 (above).
I'm sorry voorhees, I mean no disrespect, but who appointed you head of A-S.nets moral guidance? You say bad taste, I say dark. Yes, its sad that someone has died but humour is often used as a device to deal with fears of ones own mortality. With myself being a smoker, drinker, slightly over-weight and just one year younger than Gately - who, if the family spokesman is to believed, has supposedly died of natural causes - I think making light of this piece of news is hardly disrespectful, its called human nature. Going up to his family and asking them if he was "bummed to death?" would be disrespectful but making fun of a death on a forum, even if you personally don't like the subject, is hardly going to bring civilisation (or this forum at least) to its knees now is it?
Now f**k me with a big pink feather. Does that look like a bit of an over-reaction to anyone?
If Jason was blundering his way into creating ASN's own little Apartheid or Holocaust; I could understand such a speech. In fact what happened was described pretty calmly (I think) above, and to me it doesn't amount to anything worth burning your iBra for.
Shades, i felt that joke was in poor taste for the general section and as such have moved it to the Humour section. Voorhees is a mod and as such is in charge of ensuring the site is a pleasent place to be for everyone as am I. I felt the joke was in poor taste so I have moved it to an appropriate place with the relevent disclaimers etc.
Many Thanks for understanding
Again, I can't see anything particularly harsh there. Mark didn't wade in and tell you that your post had been deleted from the database completely, new hard drives ordered, your post and thanks counts reset, an indefinite ban and a letter sent home. At the end of the day he moved it to somewhere three clicks away (yes, I've just checked - three if you use forum-jump at the bottom). In fact, he later offered to give you a link - presumably in hope that it wouldn't take anything more direct than that (ie this) to make it clear just how inconsequential the action actually was.
Mr Shades, I moved it due to the fact that Jase chose to ask for opinions in the admin forum as he did not want to come across as "picking" on you.
Now this is very illustrative, pretty ridiculous, but wholly understandable; and probably brings us to the crux of the matter.
I'll refer back to my comparison of posts 7 & 8 above. The latter doesn't really seem like an unbiased reaction to the former. That makes me think about the recent mishap which saw Shades lock horns with voorhees. Yes, as I said above, Shades might well have been a little hard done by, but even that was all pretty trivial when you consider some of the s**t that life can put on your plate. Anyway, a bit of a row blew-up and then you (Shades) decided to 'escalte' your complaint. We got an initial PM from you, closely followed by a 1,163 word "Official Complaint". Again, if your liberty, freedom of speech, or manhood were being so horrendously assaulted, then every word would likely have been justified. The reality of the situation was the polar opposite.
I'll venture then, and though you'd never admit it, that I think there might be a bit of tension overflow from all that coming into this thread; particularly as your "Official Complaint" probably didn't get the reaction which was hoped-for*. There has to be some reason for you to have gone off so quickly following Jason's post, and it doesn't require a PhD in head-shrinking to work out that this looks like a bit of axe-grinding.
[* Just a word to the wise, if there's a serious problem with something on the site which you want to escalate to me, you'll find it much easier for everyone if you either give me a call, PM your number so I can call you; or if you're really shy, send me a couple of calm paragraphs in summary and we'll develop the issue as necessary. If massive abouts of vocabulary-flex are called-for, I'm quite happy for it to go that way if circumstances dictate (NHN can vouch for that given exchanges we've had in days gone by); but launching into a giant PM from the off, which you alone have decided is an
Official complaint, is probably not likely to be the most fruitful way to open a channel of communication.]
Anyway, all this amounts to the same thing - a post being moved three clicks does not amount to something so oppressing as to provoke such a revolution.
Try this for a laugh (aythreee, I know you're with me bud!), read each of these posts: 8, 18, 27, 32, 34 - BUT, after every sentence think "they moved a post".
If after looking at the situation as observed above, you're still pretty certain that this crusade is a valid one against a tortuous and mean establishment, well, I think that the internet is perhaps not the safest place for you. Consider crochet. There's almost no erosion of humanity there.
OK, that said, there are just a couple of points of general order to note...
I shall exercise restraint only when I deem it to be necessary and shall not be deterred from airing my opinions and thoughts (and jokes) whether you think it to be prudent or not.
Unless it's persistently nonsensical/useless/argumentative by default, then neither it nor you are protected by any right or obligation to be here.
Woah, easy tiger! DO NOT put words into my mouth.
Yes, a sock would probably be more suitable.
If I had of wanted to specifically call you a little Hitler I would have done, and I would have ensured that there was absolutely no ambiguity in the statement. It was a tongue-in-cheek reference - if I wanted it to be offensive I would have simply posted a picture of Hitler himself - to a certain type of moderator. It wasn't aimed particularly at you but it is quite insightful that you believe it was.
As above, (one or more) Moderator(s) move a post. Hitler murdered six million innocent Jewish people. Definitely the same thing.
Regards,
Rob.
You can't laugh at something then pretend you didn't!
For every person that may be offended there is another that will not be and vice-versa. Who is to decide one has more importance than the other? You've agreed the the tone of the thread was not one of upset people gushing about Gately so a little joke, unworthy of its own thread and not even at the subjects expense, was hardly inappropriate. As I said before should I now start to consider people who may or may not exist, whom may or may not read something I've said, who may or may not be offended by something that has been said?
