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    Unhappy Caught by the police doind 102mph

    HELP! I was caught yesterday by a camera in a police car that averaged my speed at just over 102mph. Needless to say, I know I should not have been doing that speed. but it's too late for that now.

    The policeman said it is an instant dissqualification ovr 100mph and a court hearing.

    So is there any advice out there from anyone who has been in the same situation? I really cannot afford to loose my licence (I know, I know, I should have thought about that before!)

    The policeman advised me to get a letter from my employer to say that I will lose my job if my licence is taken away.

    Should I contest the speed, or is it too late for that? Should I get a solicitor for the court hearing, or is that just a waste of money?

    Any help out there would be gratefully appreciated in my hour of need?!?!

    Many thanks guys,

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    I'm sure others will disagree but I'd say just take it on the chin.

    Go to court, say your sorry for wasting their time etc and see e
    what you get.

    That's what I did (118mph) and I got 25 day ban and 250. The ban was over so quick it hardly registered.

    I found that the worse thing was the 6 months wait from the incident to being called to court
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravepilot


    The policeman advised me to get a letter from my employer to say that I will lose my job if my licence is taken away.

    Should I contest the speed, or is it too late for that? Should I get a solicitor for the court hearing, or is that just a waste of money?
    I got my employer to write a letter to the court explaining that I would lose my job if I were to be banned from driving for a long time, i.e over six months. I think it certainly helped, I got a thirty day ban and 400 fine for an average of 119 mph over nine miles on the M62. Not big or clever I know, but the thought of losing my home if I were unable to work certainly made me slow down when I got my licence back.

    I think spending money on a solicitor will be money wasted as I'm pretty sure you are guilty? Contesting the speed will only aggravate things in my honest opinion, unless you can afford to hire someone like that celebrity laywer Nick Freeman.

    As the previous poster says you just gotta take it on the chin, go to court, apologise, pay the fine and put it down to experience.

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    Bad luck for getting caught.
    I've no direct advice but hope you manage to get it reduced from a ban. I think there are some good websites out there with advice.
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    Eh, didnt realize it was an instant ban over 100. I thought if you were caught at over 96mph it couldnt be dealt with by fixed penalty and you would have to go to court, didnt know it was mandatory ban at that speed though.

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    Thanks for all the advice so far!

    LottieA3 - I completely deserve it, one of my friends was knocked down in a hit-and-run, and now has serious brain damage! So I should know better, but rest assured, it is the last time for me, whether I am banned or not.
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    I got caught doing 120mph while I was driving for a living and took advantage of the free 30 minute session that most solicitors give. His advice was to not attend caught but to write a letter explaining that I would lose my job if I lost my licence and that I had learnt my lesson. The letter is then read out to the court during the hearing on your behalf when your case is being heard.

    I ended up with a £120 fine and 4 points on my licence but luckily no ban.

    A freind of mine has just been in the same situation as yourself and he contested the video evidence and had the case thrown out of court but that would involve going to court in the first place and arguing your case which could end up very expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravepilot
    HELP! I was caught yesterday by a camera in a police car that averaged my speed at just over 102mph. Needless to say, I know I should not have been doing that speed. but it's too late for that now.

    The policeman said it is an instant dissqualification ovr 100mph and a court hearing.

    So is there any advice out there from anyone who has been in the same situation? I really cannot afford to loose my licence (I know, I know, I should have thought about that before!)

    The policeman advised me to get a letter from my employer to say that I will lose my job if my licence is taken away.

    Should I contest the speed, or is it too late for that? Should I get a solicitor for the court hearing, or is that just a waste of money?

    Any help out there would be gratefully appreciated in my hour of need?!?!

    Many thanks guys,

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    Mate, fight it all the way.

    NEVER say anything to the police while under caution without a solicitor present and don't even contemplate going to court without one either.

    Believe me, i've got out of situations (not driving ones) which i thought were clear cut AND i was guilty but through keeping my mouth shut and taking good solicitors advice i've avoided a lengthy prison sentence.

    Not something i'm proud of but that's what solicitors are there for, get advice before you do or say anything.

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    whatever happened to "did the crime, do the time"? We're all aware of the consequences of squeezing the pedal too much. Asking for leniency is your best course of action.

    As for using a solicitor to get you out of lenghty prison services?

    we'll all be filling out personal injury claims for tripping over curbs next.

    looks like the UK is going further down the ****ter.
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    "did the crime, do the time"?
    You've been watching too much of The Bill mate.

    We've all done things in the heat of the moment that we're not proud of but, having been banned from driving before i wouldn't reccomend it to anyone.

    And prison?

    Believe me, it ain't somewhere you'd want to be going in a hurry and i'd go to ANY lengths to avoid it.

    As i said before bravepilot, get yourself some advice from a solicitor, preferably one that specialises in driving offences. Might cost you a few quid but you'll be glad you spent it when you walk out of court with your driving licence still in you wallet.
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    ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS get a solicitor! If it is a case of cost, then use the duty solicitor at the court- its free. Make sure you get a letter fom your employer, explaining you will lose your job if you were to be banned.
    If it is your first major driving offence, you are likely to get a 4 week ban, a fine, and probably some points.
    Go it alone, ie. without a solicitor, and they are likely to make an example of you, (as they did to me!), but a solicitor is experienced in this kind of thing, so knows the right things to say, and can advise you accordingly.

    Smitch: I have to agree with you mate, I too have been guilty of stupid things which could have got me into serious trouble, but with the help of a solicitor, have 'gotten away with it' so to speak. Not proud of it, as you say, and have learned my lesson- you don't need a prison sentance or a ban for that. The threat of it is enough to stop most sane people!

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    No hard feelings at all Lottie, you are quite right - and yes, no-one is perfect. I can count the amount of times on 1 hand that I have done that kind of speed in my 9 years of driving - just a kick up the jacksy lesson that I get caught one of those times!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LottieA3
    I'm a speed freak.
    Nice of you to come clean, i admire your honesty Lottie.
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    Agree with getting yourself a traffic solicitor Bravepilot, I did for my court appearance for doing 59 in a 30. The first phonecall will be a free consultation, and then he will offer you 30 minutes of his time for £50(in my case) if you want to take it further. After my 30 minutes, he will then ask if you would like him to represent you in the courts... my guy waived the £50 for the 30 minuted and just gave me a fixed charge of £125 on the day of court appearance ... which was 15 minutes court time, so a good earner for him. But I avoided a ban and the fine was reduced from £300 to £200, so paid for itself really, it also helps if it's your first motoring ofence.

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    I was advised by a British transport police officer to get a solicitor ( and yes the BTP can do you for speeding, something of which I was not aware of ) he also suggested going suited and booted, So I hired a solicitor and off we went to court eventually, I was caught by Vascar ( sounds like the same as you ) doing 109.98mph on motorway, said I was sorry to magistrates via solicitor ect said i had been foolish and had learnt my lesson, I got 6 points and in total 385 fine, As we was waliking out of court solicitor told me not to smile laugh whoop ect as apparently they can drag you back into court, he also said that he had no idea of how i got away without a ban.

    Remember if you use the old im going to loose my job, You can only use that excuse once and if you get caught again you will get a harsher penalty as you have not learnt your lesson even after stating your job was at risk if you lost your license.

    My advice is
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    Get a character reference letter from manager

    Dont contest it as unless your on footballers wages as i reckon you will make it worse if you loose the case.

    In total it took from december to June to go to court so 6 months.

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    reading the above posts again, regarding solicitors yes it may be waste of money BUT like the BT police officer said if the magistrates or judges ( i cant remeber as i had other things on my mind, there was three of them from what i can remember, what i di remember was that the prosecuting officer for the olice was drop dead stunning with nice pert baps ) have had a crap day/night they can go to town on you and seeming as you are not aware of the law they could punish you for things that you if you had a solicitor he or she could contend on your behalf.

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    Go in a suit, with a solicitor, and definately do not drive to court.
    All they are interested in is that you are taking the whole situation very seriously. Get a letter from work if you need to drive for your job.
    Doing over 100 is not an instant ban, it just means it has to go to court to plead your case.
    It is a bannable offence though so you cannot make representations via a letter, you will definately have to attend.
    good luck, a lot of it is down to the magistrates you get on the day, but TBH you'd be better off with a short ban rather than hefty points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LottieA3
    One of my friends is in a "Vegatative state" becauser her driver was doing a similar speed!!!!!!!!!!!!! (admittadly had too much to drink)
    Too much to drink? Any amount of beer/wine/whatever is too much.

    Quote Originally Posted by LottieA3
    And if you lose your job, then that will be hard, but teach you a massive lesson. My nextdoor neighbour drives home at those speeds everynight. SO I grassed on him. He has been kicked out of his home (he was renting) and if I had officially reported him he would have lost his job as a lorry driver. So again with all honesty, I have no sympathy.
    No, your neighbour wouldnt of lost his job unless your best mates with or nobbing his boss.

    One of my neighbours reported me to the Police for speeding down my street donkeys years ago in a Metro, all the police do is send out a letter asking who was driving at that day/time and nothing else happens, it happened three times and in the end my Dad dragged me down the Police Station and made me put in a complaint of harassment. (I wasnt really too bothered)

    Bravepilot, Bad luck mate

    By the sounds of it (the Feds followed him, average speeded him at 102mph) he was on the motorway, 102mph is nothing on a motorway. I'd do what other people advise, let the court see your taking it all serious by turning up smart, make sure you have a solicitor (never enter a court of Law without legal representation, by Law there has to be a Duty Solicitor) and get a letter from your boss telling them your employee of the month material and how it will effect you.

    I would advise people if your job depends on your ability to drive, get a foreign EU license, a trip to Poland or Cyprus can usually result in one of these if you know a resident and have 40 to spare. You still have to pay the fine but they cant put the points on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smitch
    Mate, fight it all the way.

    NEVER say anything to the police while under caution without a solicitor present and don't even contemplate going to court without one either.

    Believe me, i've got out of situations (not driving ones) which i thought were clear cut AND i was guilty but through keeping my mouth shut and taking good solicitors advice i've avoided a lengthy prison sentence.

    Not something i'm proud of but that's what solicitors are there for, get advice before you do or say anything.

    Good luck fella.

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    If you have AA or RAC cover they used to provide free legal representation, don't know if this is still the case as "touch wood" I haven't needed their services for a few years, worth a try though.
    Bear in mind these guys see chavvy cocky little ****s all day long trying to get off more trivial crimes like beating up old women and torturing animals, so the more serious and worried you can look will go down well with them (not actually that difficult in a magistrates court).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev-head
    can you go to prison for sheep shagging at your end of the country smitch
    Not here in wales......national past time, its positively encouraged.
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    Lottie I think the key to your friends tragic accident was the drinking rather than the speed. Drink driving is dangerous at any speed, 102mph on an empty motorway, while not to be encouraged, can be perfectly safe (well as safe as driving can be).
    Far more serious accidents occur with drivers sticking to the speed limit and falling asleep at the wheel than outright speeding (if you take joyriding/police chases out of the equation). How many deaths are caused by HGV's doing just 60mph?

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    Thumbs up

    102 was my average speed, caught by that Vascar camera in the police car, it wasn't a motorway, but an A-road with the national speed limit.

    Everyone's words of wisdom seem fairly encouraging, and I am very grateful! It is the only thing I have been caught for in my 9 years of driving, but I am keeping my fingers crossed still that they do not make an example of me.

    Definitely going down the solicitor route after reading your advice as I clearly do now know anything about attending courts.

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    Ahh, everyone assumed it was a motorway. On an A road? Ouch, they will take quite a dim view of that sort of behaviour. Would be worth taking some photo's of the road in question otherwise they will assume it was a twisty country lane with schools and tractors round every corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyMac
    Ahh, everyone assumed it was a motorway. On an A road? Ouch, they will take quite a dim view of that sort of behaviour. Would be worth taking some photo's of the road in question otherwise they will assume it was a twisty country lane with schools and tractors round every corner.
    Advice taken, I'll also see what the solicitor says when I get one...

    It was a dual carriage way A-Road - but I suppose in the eye's of the law that does not make it any better

    Anyone know a good solicitor for this kind of thing by the way?
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    Point taken, I just get fed up with the authorities consistently pointing the finger at speeders to the detriment of all other major causes of serious accidents, just simply because we're an easy/lucrative target. Speeding is only a major contributory factor in 7% of serious accidents (and that includes police chases and joyriding). If they spent their time dealing with the other 93% then they might actually get a drop in these dismaying figures.
    As it is, 10 years on, with their heads still firmly in the sand, we have more serious accidents/deaths on the road than ever. Looks like they won't be convinced until we're all obeying the speed limit religiously thanks to black box technology, and, what a surprise, still an increase in accidents!

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    Hear, Hear.

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    why oh why can't we just have autobahns, i don't condone driving at silly speeds on a-roads, but i'd happily do 155 on a motorway.

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    I thought we already had that, it's called the M6 toll!
    No I don't think the British driving public (bless 'em) could cope. Considering they have to be told how to use a roundabout using traffic lights, and what about those ridiculous traffic lights on motorway on-ramps WTF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LottieA3
    I would do the same as scoTTy and I dont mean to sound like a know it all and like your mum or anything, but you derserve what you get. Sorry mate but I wouldnt be being honest if I didnt say that.

    Maybe if you do take it all on the chin and accept they may let you off because you have been honest. Honesty is the best way though.

    Hopefully its made you think not to do it again.

    One of my friends is in a "Vegatative state" becauser her driver was doing a similar speed!!!!!!!!!!!!! (admittadly had too much to drink) but it can still happen and you really wouldnt want that on your consience (cant spell that word). THe guy who was driving that car with my friend in it, is dead and has gone down with a very bad name.

    And if you lose your job, then that will be hard, but teach you a massive lesson. My nextdoor neighbour drives home at those speeds everynight. SO I grassed on him. He has been kicked out of his home (he was renting) and if I had officially reported him he would have lost his job as a lorry driver. So again with all honesty, I have no sympathy.

    Sorry mate.
    What a complete tit you are! Its easily brainwashed idiots like you who have this nanny state country in the state its in. Grassing up next door neighbours indeed, what a sad pathetic troll!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyMac
    I thought we already had that, it's called the M6 toll!
    No I don't think the British driving public (bless 'em) could cope. Considering they have to be told how to use a roundabout using traffic lights, and what about those ridiculous traffic lights on motorway on-ramps WTF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LottieA3
    Erm yes he would have lost his job, for doing silly speed whilst hammered and not being able to walk, and he drives lorries for a career! I think your wrong there.
    If you look at your original post, you never mentioned he was drunk.

    Also I still doubt you could get him sacked, unless your God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unkle
    If you look at your original post, you never mentioned he was drunk.

    Also I still doubt you could get him sacked, unless your God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onlyme
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    Well, at least you've held your hands up and admitted you were in the wrong. www.pepipoo.com will give you some advice of what to do.
    Like has already been said, get a letter from your employer if your job is at risk if you were to receive a ban but I'd be surprised if you escaped a ban completely.
    I have a friend who's a solicitor. He managed to get the ban to 2 weeks for a similar speed (although I think it was a motorway). He also managed to wangle the ban to start on a particular day, which happened to be when the driver was going on holiday for 2 weeks! Therefore, when he got home, he was back on the road.
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    HI DaveMK,

    Thanks for the post. Does your solicitor friend live anywhere near Hertfordshire? I am looking for a good solicitor at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravepilot
    HI DaveMK,

    Thanks for the post. Does your solicitor friend live anywhere near Hertfordshire? I am looking for a good solicitor at the moment.

    BP

    No I'm afraid not mate.

    Hopefully, it should go in your favour that you've otherwise had a clean driving history. No points or convictions (other than this offence), I assume?

    Good luck with it all.

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    You assume correctly which is good - but it is a shame to go and do it. I am deeply regretting it now!
    To Infinity, and beyond!

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    2 week ban is nothing, that'll fly by!

 

 
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