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    Not being funny but WTF is the point in this? why on earth would a school decide to have a little outing to the mosque? its ridiculous. personally if i had kids i would not have let them go either. nothing against islam, but i just do not see the point in this trip in the 1st place. nothing wrong with visiting temples/places of woship of other religion for the history side of things, ie looking at old temples/churches etc, but a modern mosque? i have a feeling that the trip was more to do with teaching about islam then the mosque itself, which is why i find this silly.

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    I cant see what the problem would be and might help each other understand each others faith

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    I think it should be encouraged... but all the kids in the UK should be taught about ALL religions and not guided into any or show bias towards any.

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    I agree with you Pimp, seems an odd choice.

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    When I as at school we had trips out to lots of different places of worship. Didn't convert me to Islam, chrsitianty etc I'm still an atheist in fact but I do have a better understanding of peoples religions.

    When I was working in Isreal earlier this year I went to lots of religious sites. I still don't believe and can't understand peoples faith but hey at least I looked...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onlyme
    I cant see what the problem would be and might help each other understand each others faith
    I agree 100% bit ignorant of the parents imo. When I was a kid i learned about hindus, muslims as well as christianity and this was a catholic school.
    FFS you go to school to learn now the kids will be wondering whats wrong with learning about mosques if you can learn about everything else

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    i learnt about different religions as well wen i was at school. i also went to a few churches, even though i'm not christian. but thats becuase this is a christian country so its to be expected. in this particular case, why are they being taken to a normal pretty modern looking mosque? its not as if its a old temple with history or a old church with history or anything like that to learn about, i just think once again that everything has to have something to do with islam. why arent they being taken to a hindu temple, a sikh temple, a buddhist temple etc etc?

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    Ok it's been a few years since I was at school, I'm 34 now, but I visiteda modern mosque, synagogue etc.

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    who told you they werent?? how do you know they werent going to be taken to sikh temples, old churches as well as the mosque? I did RE in a catholic school and learnt about all religions including YOURS... typical daily mail bull**** & typical muslim this and muslim that bull****

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    Ultimately it's the parents choice if they don't want their kids to go to A mosque, there's no right or wrong in it but they probably need educating more than the children do. At least the school is offering the opportunity.
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    Well, I understand the need for R.E in school, however, when I came out of school, and then college I thought I was all clever, waving my bits of stamped official paper around. I was all entheusiastic about making my way in the world with my new found knowlage, only to find that actually I knew sweet FA about life. Modern education is so channelled in certain directions, I believe R.L(real life) lessons would be far more use and appropriate. Dont you aggree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpeda3
    personally if i had kids i would not have let them go either.
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    Without visitng various places of worship all kids are left with is their imagination which is actually fed by rags like the Mail, Sun, Mirror etc etc thereby giving them a skewed idea of what it's actually like inside. Course they should visit different places of worship... in this day and age it's all part of a balanced education

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    I think the story is very misleading i think the parents were not happy about there children going there because of the local press coverage of the Mosque..and some of the people that were highlighted and there views on Britian and the terriost situation
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    Quote Originally Posted by unkle
    Hahahah idiots like you shouldnt breed, your just polluting the gene pool.
    hahahaha yes very funny. grow up.

    i would not send my kids to a mosque that is or has been linked with terrorists. very funny yes i can see why you found that so funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpeda3
    hahahaha yes very funny. grow up.

    i would not send my kids to a mosque that is or has been linked with terrorists. very funny yes i can see why you found that so funny.
    A quick search on Google shows that this mosque has roughly 20000 members and a few of these were linked to a group that had extremist ideas, doesnt exactly sound like a hotbed of death and terrorism does it?

    Schools should do more of this thing to open kids minds up to other cultures and ways of life, that way they can value their own.

    I imagine that your one of these people that reads the Sun during your lunchbreak and thinks they know it all, obviously you dont.

    Thats what I found funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unkle
    A quick search on Google shows that this mosque has roughly 20000 members and a few of these were linked to a group that had extremist ideas, doesnt exactly sound like a hotbed of death and terrorism does it?

    Schools should do more of this thing to open kids minds up to other cultures and ways of life, that way they can value their own.

    I imagine that your one of these people that reads the Sun during your lunchbreak and thinks they know it all, obviously you dont.

    Thats what I found funny.
    ok maybe i should have made it a bit more clear, but even a few links would be enough to not want to send my child there. a few were linked, but how do you know it wasn't a lot more? it could have been, but we don't know.

    and i never said i know it all, i just said that i personally dont have any interest in my children learning about islam and going to a mosque. i know what i need to know, and my children will know what they need to know. i can't see any need for them to go to a mosque and see how it is, what happens in their, what islam is all about etc etc. maybe im biased becuase im hindu, so its a bit like a protestant family sending their children to learn about a catholic church
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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpeda3
    maybe im biased becuase im hindu, so its a bit like a protestant family sending their children to learn about a catholic church
    FFS, I was taken on a school trip many years ago to a large Hindu temple in the middle of Leicester where we were given a guided tour, a strange orange thing to eat and a coconut to take home. Being a bit of a gob****e back then I then enquired why there was a symbol that resembled the nazi insignia in the middle of the shrine and was told by a rather embarrassed indian bloke it was stolen by Hitler and actually represented magic, night and some hindu god

    So by your insane reckoning, I shouldnt of gone on this trip simply because Im C of E?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpeda3
    ok maybe i should have made it a bit more clear, but even a few links would be enough to not want to send my child there. a few were linked, but how do you know it wasn't a lot more? it could have been, but we don't know.
    OMG that is a massive generalisation! So using your same rationale would you not speak or associate with a muslim?

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    and i never said i know it all, i just said that i personally dont have any interest in my children learning about islam and going to a mosque. i know what i need to know, and my children will know what they need to know. i can't see any need for them to go to a mosque and see how it is, what happens in their, what islam is all about etc etc. maybe im biased becuase im hindu, so its a bit like a protestant family sending their children to learn about a catholic church[/QUOTE]

    I don't think your biased I just think you are extremely narrow minded and I hope your children don't adopt the same views as you.

    Interesting you bring up protestant's and catholics as an example... It speaks for itself.

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    It's just another, in this case possibly unjustified, rejection by the ordinary decent folk of this Country, fed up with the 'blood boiling' indoctrination of Political Correctness, and this Governments grovelling appeasement to anything and 'everything' Muslim in our schools........

    There should be nothing wrong with a school trip to the local Mosque, if that was all there was to it,,,,,, but we all know it's not! It's just another part of the failed social engineering experiment that has fvcked up this Country.....

    Proof, if it were needed, that what I say is indeed true, can be found in this revealing statement, from the replies section of the original article;

    "To all those commenting that we should embrace and understand other faiths, I have a 10 year old in a school near Atwood and is yet to learn about the Christian/Catholic faith. At the very least, shouldn't our children be taught about the religiouis heritage of their own country first?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by marriedblonde
    OMG that is a massive generalisation! So using your same rationale would you not speak or associate with a muslim?

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    and i never said i know it all, i just said that i personally dont have any interest in my children learning about islam and going to a mosque. i know what i need to know, and my children will know what they need to know. i can't see any need for them to go to a mosque and see how it is, what happens in their, what islam is all about etc etc. maybe im biased becuase im hindu, so its a bit like a protestant family sending their children to learn about a catholic church
    I don't think your biased I just think you are extremely narrow minded and I hope your children don't adopt the same views as you.

    Interesting you bring up protestant's and catholics as an example... It speaks for itself.

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    its narrow minded to not be able to see it from someone elses point of view. end of the day theres massive tension and even hatred between muslims and hindus/sikhs (not every single one obviously but in general) and whilst i can't be bothered to go into it in more detail, most of this animosity between the faiths is more then justified. so for this reason, being a hindu, the last thing i'd want is for my children to be going to a mosque to learn about islam. as far as i'm concerened, they will know all they need to know from just general learning through life, they do not need to go to a mosque to learn about it in more depth and detail.

    the reason i brought up protestents and catholics is becuase its a *similar* thing. whilst i would have no problem going to either church, as i'm not from either faith, a protestant would not go to catholic church and vice versa. its a completly different story when your an outsider with nothing to do with the religions in question, and when your actually apart of one of the religions thats involved in the conflict. so for you not to see it from someone elses point of view is what i'd call narrow minded.

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    This thread is pretty amusing. I studied RE in school and enjoyed it very much. We went to outings to various places of worship of different religions. It was good to learn about othere peoples beliefs, at the same time increasing my knowledge and learning to RESPECT other peoples faith, as it is as sacred to them, as Islam is to me..
    I dont think the story in the paper is misleading, Its pretty straight forward and clear...and anti-islamic as usual..lol
    "Parents have forced a school trip to a mosque to be abandoned because they objected to their children learning about Islam."
    Im sorry to say, but its the narrow minded people, who agree with these parents..which is the reason why this whole segregation of faiths/islam continues throughout the nation, and sadly passed on to these kids, and generations to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpeda3
    its narrow minded to not be able to see it from someone elses point of view. end of the day theres massive tension and even hatred between muslims and hindus/sikhs (not every single one obviously but in general) and whilst i can't be bothered to go into it in more detail, most of this animosity between the faiths is more then justified. so for this reason, being a hindu, the last thing i'd want is for my children to be going to a mosque to learn about islam. as far as i'm concerened, they will know all they need to know from just general learning through life, they do not need to go to a mosque to learn about it in more depth and detail.

    the reason i brought up protestents and catholics is becuase its a *similar* thing. whilst i would have no problem going to either church, as i'm not from either faith, a protestant would not go to catholic church and vice versa. its a completly different story when your an outsider with nothing to do with the religions in question, and when your actually apart of one of the religions thats involved in the conflict. so for you not to see it from someone elses point of view is what i'd call narrow minded.
    Oh in that case if it's along running conflict I stand corrected. Please educate your kids to also hate muslims!
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    first people say oh the muslims need to open up and mix more in the community, then when they do they get all this for tryin to mix

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    I think we should rename the forum "The Religious-Debate.net"

    This is ********! This is a predominantly Christian country and thats what should be taught in schools, i'm not saying it should be the only thing taught, but it should make up the majority of the teaching.

    If we water down our heritage enough we wont know who the **** we are
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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpeda3
    . end of the day theres massive tension and even hatred between muslims and hindus/sikhs (not every single one obviously but in general) and whilst i can't be bothered to go into it in more detail, most of this animosity between the faiths is more then justified..
    B O L L O C K S... ok my girlfriends family are from north cyprus, which makes them muslims (all be it non practicing) if I asked them if they had any animosity with hindus or sikhs they would say ...nobody has ever gone to India from Cyprus to cause beef with hindus or sikhs neither have they come from Bosnia, Ivory Coast, Egypt, Albania, Turkey or any other muslim country. Dont come come up with ******** to rationalise or small mindedness. Stick to reading the Daily Mail funnies and let the grown ups discuss the serious stuff

    And anyone who things that kids are learning about other religions before learning about "our own" (Christianity) is a ****ing idiot plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver75
    B O L L O C K S... ok my girlfriends family are from north cyprus, which makes them muslims (all be it non practicing) if I asked them if they had any animosity with hindus or sikhs they would say ...nobody has ever gone to India from Cyprus to cause beef with hindus or sikhs neither have they come from Bosnia, Ivory Coast, Egypt, Albania, Turkey or any other muslim country. Dont come come up with ******** to rationalise or small mindedness. Stick to reading the Daily Mail funnies and let the grown ups discuss the serious stuff

    And anyone who things that kids are learning about other religions before learning about "our own" (Christianity) is a ****ing idiot plain and simple.

    Errrrrr,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, do you know your history Silver??? I think you'll find Pimps comments are MORE than justified!!
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    Im glad my mummy let me go to canterbury catherdral, i bet she didnt know that they cut some ---t's head off in there though, she would have had kittens and stopped me going and that would have pi--ed me off as when we went on school trips i used to get a big packet of Jaffa Cakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by A4Quattro
    I think we should rename the forum "The Religious-Debate.net"

    This is ********! This is a predominantly Christian country and thats what should be taught in schools, i'm not saying it should be the only thing taught, but it should make up the majority of the teaching.

    If we water down our heritage enough we wont know who the **** we are
    i agree with this .........but having a understanding of others is important
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    Quote Originally Posted by silver75
    B O L L O C K S... ok my girlfriends family are from north cyprus, which makes them muslims (all be it non practicing) if I asked them if they had any animosity with hindus or sikhs they would say ...nobody has ever gone to India from Cyprus to cause beef with hindus or sikhs neither have they come from Bosnia, Ivory Coast, Egypt, Albania, Turkey or any other muslim country. Dont come come up with ******** to rationalise or small mindedness. Stick to reading the Daily Mail funnies and let the grown ups discuss the serious stuff

    And anyone who things that kids are learning about other religions before learning about "our own" (Christianity) is a ****ing idiot plain and simple.
    Sorry, your obviously pissd off at the anti-muslim comments as your gf is muslim. but you have a lot to learn.

    here are a few figures to help you learn, i can't be assd to post the links as some of the links are like essays which im sure most people can't be bothered to read, i've just copied and pasted the important extracts which show figures:

    - "Likewise, the ethnic cleansing of a quarter million Hindus from Kashmir in 1990 followed the strategy of "killing one to expel a hundred" "

    - "Hindus suffered such attempted extermination in East Bengal in 1971, when the Pakistani Army killed 1 to 3 million people, with Hindus as their most wanted target. This fact is strictly ignored in most writing about Hindu-Muslim relations, in spite (or rather because) of its serious implication that even the lowest estimate of the Hindu death toll in 1971 makes Hindus by far the most numerous victims of Hindu-Muslim violence in the post-colonial period. It is significant that no serious count or religion-wise breakdown of the death toll has been attempted: the Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi ruling classes all agree that this would feed Hindu grievances against Muslims."

    - "Nandan Vyas ("Hindu Genocide in East Pakistan", Young India, January 1995) has argued convincingly that the number of Hindu victims in the 1971 genocide was approximately 2.4 million, or about 80%."

    - "There is no official estimate of the total death toll of Hindus at the hands of Islam. A first glance at important testimonies by Muslim chroniclers suggests that, over 13 centuries and a territory as vast as the Subcontinent, Muslim Holy Warriors easily killed more Hindus than the 6 million of the Holocaust."

    Sorry but i could go on and on and on but can't be bothered. most of the above isn't even taking into account the millions of hindus that were killed by the moghul empire from 12th century onwards. you really seem to have no idea of islamic history in asia.

    anyway the point is that after taking all that into consideration, islam isn't my favourite religion, and like i said before the last thing i'd want is my children to be going to a mosque to learn about a religion that has killed literally millions and millions of my fellow hindus/sikhs over the last 1000 years.

    all these facts are also not taking into account the amount of hindus that were forcfully converted to islam under the moghul empire.

    and before anyone starts telling me that this is all in the past, its NOT. you dont have to be einstein to see this is still going on, look at the gujurat train bombings in recent times, as recent as this year in fact.

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    If I was you..Id do some research into what the muslims in india are also going through.It isnt all one sided.

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    I can't say I've ever ever heard anything in the news about Hindu's starting any aggravation anywhere in the world....ever!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Plain Old
    Errrrrr,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, do you know your history Silver??? I think you'll find Pimps comments are MORE than justified!!
    errr yes I do and the majority of muslims in the world have dick all to do with sikhs or hindus

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    I'm white and C of E, and so is my sister. She was engaged to a black Nigerian who was Muslim. He neither tried to convert me, bomb my family or give us AIDS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpeda3
    Sorry, your obviously pissd off at the anti-muslim comments as your gf is muslim......

    sorry, but I have absolutly nothing to learn, your grieviance is with muslims in the Indian subcontinent ie Pakistanis.

    Dont patronize me I know my history.

    Maybe you didnt understand my previous post but I will repeat maybe more clearly. There are billions of Muslims all around the world and your telling me your going to hate them all because of the Indian/pakistani conflict? How stupid and narrow minded can you be? Maybe we should all adopt this philosophy!

    Maybe all jews should hate all Christians because of what happened in Germany...

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver75
    Maybe all jews should hate all Christians because of what happened in Germany...
    Whats that supposed to mean? I think you may need to rephrase that, you'll find that it was the Nazis that persecuted the Jews, not the Christians, and the war was not started in the name of Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A4Quattro
    I can't say I've ever ever heard anything in the news about Hindu's starting any aggravation anywhere in the world....ever!

    "news"...exactly

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    well for people like me that can't hear the jungle drums or the grapevine, the news is all i have to go on....
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    Quote Originally Posted by A4Quattro
    Whats that supposed to mean? I think you may need to rephrase that, you'll find that it was the Nazis that persecuted the Jews, not the Christians, and the war was not started in the name of Christianity.

    read what the whole post before you comment please

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    TBO this thread and the general mood on this forum with regards to religion bores me, and its now getting ****ing stupid.

    I couldn't see the link between christianity the jews and germany, maybe i fell asleep when that bit was mentioned. if there is some sort of link then i apologise, my knowledge of history is not complete or all-encompassing. I will accept i am wrong if indeed I am.

    Thanks for your time... this thread sucks.
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