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    The digital age is rubbish?

    Has anyone else come to the conclusion that analogue is better than digital sometimes. If (because of bad weather for example) the reception is poor when watching digital TV the picture and sound stop dead and so some chunks of dialog and picture can be missed altogether.

    Whereas with good old analogue even with poor reception you could still make out sound and images and thereby keep up with a film plot etc.

    To me it seems like a huge flaw in the digital age

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    i've been thinking the same, but digital is only young yet

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    Very true.

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    i think once Analogue is switched off, then the digital signals will be stronger, i was told *pinch of salt* signals are being played/tested with....so.....who knows, lol

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    In my experience, ITV has the weakest digital signals. One drop of rain & it falls over. Anyone else noticed this?

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    DAB is a joke, it's lower quality than FM - talk about a serious step backwards.

    Digital TV - total pisstake - doesn't work for loads of the population, patchy and far more annoying if you've got a weak signal than analogue.

    IMO - they shouldn't bother with digital formats until they are actually a step forward, which in my opinion neither of the above are, DVD on the other hand was a genuine improvement over what it replaced, better sound quality and picture quality and better packaging!

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    Don't agree that all DVDs are better picture quality than VHS. I've noticed some really poor compression artifacts on some. Didn't get that on VHS.

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    Depends if you're talking Digital over satellite or digital over shyte freeview.
    Digital shoud only ever be transmitted over satellite thus guaranteeing quality. Any other form of transmission is of course prone to failure.
    Basically if you've bought digital TV on the cheap then you can't really moan when it proves to be shyte, can you?
    DAB is great in a car, far better than FM in quality and choice. Not so good at home if in a dodgy area. Why can't we have satellite radio like the US?
    DVD is great but very fragile. I don't remember ever having to throw tapes away as they are unplayable. I would never trust DVD to store video of my boys growing up, had too many discs that just refuse to play or get stuck in the middle of something both pressed and DVD-R

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    i have noticed that too beaker plus one of my dvds of Mask looks ever so slightly out of sync too. Not sure if that is the DVD or poor dubbing of the original. only had one problem with my Sky digital in over a year due to the dish being covered in snow. Freeview is a bit weak.

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

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    DAB is great in a car, far better than FM in quality and choice. Not so good at home if in a dodgy area.

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    I'm still dithering over switching to DAB in the car (other things take priority), but I've had DAB in the house for a while now. I'm in a pretty good area for reception (outskirts of S E London & fairly high up, so a good line of "sight" to both the Crystal Palace & the Wrotham transmitters). I'm happy with the results, especially the SQ on Planet Rock when listening via the separates tuner, even though I'm only using the supplied antenna.

    Very occasionally, it fails to lock onto a station (it's only ever BBC that's affected), so I may get an external antenna fitted.

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    My biggest gripe with DVD's is the fact you can't just put one in and watch a film.
    you have to wait minutes while the thing loads all the intro crap and it won't let you skip it. This is particularly annoying when you've paid for a legit copy of a movie and it takes 3 minutes to load and then presents you with an options menu. My 3 year old can put his Monsters Inc video in the player and it plays, he can't cope with waiting 3 minutes then selecting options on the remote.
    If I want to go into a menu I'll press the bloody menu button, but of course they can't do that cause all the menu buttons are different depending on what brand of machine you're using and whether it's -R or +R etc - brilliant!

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    I actually couldn't give a monkeys about "extra features" anyway. If I watch a film, I just want to watch the film. I don't want to see the bit where they forgot the lines, or where the lead actor f@rted in the lead actress's face. I definitely don't want to watch a 20-minute "Gee, Ma, look how clever I am!" interview with the director.
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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    Or all the bits that weren't good enough to make the final cut!
    Some of the stuff on the Incredibles is good though

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

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    My biggest gripe with DVD's is the fact you can't just put one in and watch a film.
    you have to wait minutes while the thing loads all the intro crap and it won't let you skip it. This is particularly annoying when you've paid for a legit copy of a movie and it takes 3 minutes to load and then presents you with an options menu. My 3 year old can put his Monsters Inc video in the player and it plays, he can't cope with waiting 3 minutes then selecting options on the remote.
    If I want to go into a menu I'll press the bloody menu button, but of course they can't do that cause all the menu buttons are different depending on what brand of machine you're using and whether it's -R or +R etc - brilliant!

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    But let's be fair, it's better than watching a load of trailers that you don't actually give a rats @rse about or have to try and guess where they finish. DTS activated, neighbours warned and bring on a good DVD! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woohoo.gif[/img]

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    next they'll have furking advertising on the dvd startup too

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    They do have adverts

    Watched Crash on DVD on Friday and it had a Malteaster advert which you couldn't skip. Had to fwd a few minutes of rubbish before the menu came up.

    I love DVDs even though they have there faults. Plus its easier to hide those "lads" DVDs (I assume)!!!!!

    BUT why didn't CD's keep the caddy system of old like minidiscs. It saves getting them scratched etc.

    Digital through a sky dish can be just as bad!! watch TV round my friends house and you'll soon see.

    I don't like MP3s coz I can't see them, its just not right

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    aye, adverts and that stupid anti-pirate crap does my head in. I do like the extras, especially if it shows how to do the special effects - gives me ideas for Adobe premier Pro [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    ye i like the Anti-pirate adverts, they even get copied by the fruadsters.......ahh ermm, .....so im told

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

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    BUT why didn't CD's keep the caddy system of old like minidiscs. It saves getting them scratched etc.

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    Think that would be because MiniDisc was invented quite a while after CD! However I do think the replacement for DVD should be in a caddy to protect it as when data rates get much higher smaller scratches will have a much bigger effect!

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    freeview is not being broadcast at full power yet to do that they have to switch off the analogue signal first due to the bandwidth or something if your in london kent area the switch over is 2012. Must admit i love the interactive stuff but prefer the analouge as like some one above mentioned you could keep up with stuff if picture was poor, imagine the picture freezing when the world cups on and its a penalty shoot out again

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    "Digital through a sky dish can be just as bad!!"
    Errr, no it can't. Just because your mates system isn't setup properly doesn't mean you can lump it into the same category as antenna digital.
    Satellite, as the name suggests, means guaranteed line of sight transmission unless an asteroid gets in the way in which case we'll have more to worry about than TV reception!
    The Freeview shyte relies on the same limitations as analogue TV transmissions, i.e. an aerial transmitting and an aerial receiving, the problem being if you haven't got perfect LOS to the transmitter then rather than a slightly fuzzy picture you get nothing at all. That's the beauty of digital, all or nothing.

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    Andy yes but at present freeview is not at full power they will only broadcast it at full power when the analogue is switched off in the relevant area, then if you still got a crap picture and up to date ariel your buggered, my freeview box loads up the interactive stuff quicker than the telewest box which is what i cannot work out.

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    Ummm sounds like marketing BS to me. Doesn't matter how much power they belt out, if somethings in the way and there's nothing to bounce it off then you'll still be buggered. Freeview is purely a marketing band aid to prevent a riot when they switch off analogue.

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    A friend of mine has an auto electrics shop in York who is spcialised by SONY. He knows all sorts of ins and outs of all Tv's, stereo, car radios etc.

    He actually advises his customers to buy ANALOGUE car radios. albeit, there is alot more choice of stations, but the quality had been PROVEN not to be as good as, good old analogue radio channels!

    same theory on sky n freeveiw, as already mentioned. Sky is much better for receiveing digital signals than freeview though an ariel.

    It is early days yet for digital. Im fairly sure analogue had its problems when first launched.....

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    dvd ram discs can be put in a caddy, at least with a panasonic dvd recorder anyways. Never been able to find where to buy empty caddies to put other dvds in though

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    "the quality had been PROVEN not to be as good as, good old analogue radio channels!"
    Well he's plainly talking out of his arse. On what basis can he make a statement like that? (Sony - great TV's but not really up there on car audio, they only make one DAB tuner in their whole range!)
    My DAB Blaupunkt auto tunes from DAB back to FM if it loses signal and the difference is immense. It's a bigger difference than CD over tape (or vinyl, but I know if you chuck enough money at a turntable & cartridge you can get fantastic results).
    It's closer to the difference between MW & FM (although not quite).
    I bought a DAB head unit purely for the extra choice in channels without considering that the quality would be noticeably better. It really is CD quality. And the car is a better place for it than at home as you tend to get a better signal as you're generally out in the open on motorways.
    I regularly drive from Southampton to Nottingham and it loses signal maybe 4 or 5 times for about 30 seconds over a 3 hour journey which I think is pretty acceptable.
    As for your mate in the trade, he's obviously under pressure to get rid of all those analogue HU's before the time when he can't give them away.

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    Andymac im only quoting what which magazine has stated this month.

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    This will upset you Andymac...

    I've heard about digital radio not being as good as analogue. Digital in my old car was excellent but in the home with a decent old radio set up correctly the difference is very small.

    As for sky being just as bad, you are right, its down to poor set up but also Sky=Rupert Merdoch...ugh.

    Also I don't want sky because I don't have a need for countless TV channels but if its the only way I can get a good digital reception then I'm be a bit peeved.

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    DAB in good reception is not as good quality as FM with good reception, the bitrate isn't high enough because they wanted to fit in more channels!

    Digital brings convienience if it works, but unless they get enough data it's a waste of time in my opinion and as Andymac has said anyone with a satelite that doesn't work needs to give the installer a good thump (unless you live in a really steep valley - then you should give up!)

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    The government is switching off the analogue signal because it wants more of us to have access to Freeview. Freeview is currently available to only three quarters of UK homes because there's not enough airspace to deliver strong analogue and digital signals simultaneously.

    Digital UK, the body set up to raise consumer awareness of digital television, says that once the analogue signal is turned off, the digital signal will be boosted so that the 98.5 per cent of homes that currently receive analogue will receive Freeview.

    This still means that 1.5 per cent of homes won't be able to get Freeview even after this boost. Digital UK says that most of these homes will have access to satellite or cable services. But there will be a very small number of areas that won't receive any digital signal at all.

    Once the analogue signal is switched off, the government will raise an estimated 1.1 billion to 2.2 billion by selling the surplus airspace to 3G and mobile phone companies and to TV companies for additional channels.

    But our research shows that not everyone is happy with the quality of programmes - some talking about 'endless repeats' - and 56 per cent saying they don't use all the channels. As one reader put it: 'It's funny; we have more choice of channels and there's still nothing to watch on TV.'

    Signal quality is an issue for others. Some people will see an improvement in picture quality with digital. But if you have a good analogue picture, there's a risk that digital might look worse because it compresses pictures and electronically removes details it thinks you won't notice.

    Many of you wrote to us complaining about interference to your Freeview signal, causing pictures to break up, sometimes making programmes 'unwatchable'. Mobile phones, heavy rain and even passing traffic affected digital reception, according to those who contacted us.

    There are no plans at present to switch of analogue Radio

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    The issue with the reduced quality on DAB has nothing to do with the technology but a restriction put on by the service providers such as the BBC. The reason is that they waat to broadcast more stations in little bandwith. To do this they reduce the transmission bandwidth.
    When analog tv/radio frequencies are free'd up, they can crank up the bitrates on the DAB stations, thus potentially getting much better quality than analog.

    Wait till the transmission for satelite TV moves to using H.264 (i.e. mpeg-4) Where you can achive higher quality at a lower bitrate. This will probably be used for all HD services in the future.

    An yes, digital terestrial does suck.. Bit thats the price to pay for having many channels. Sky on the other hand, can be described as near DVD quality.

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

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    . Sky on the other hand, can be described as near DVD quality.

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    Except when it rains heavily. Then, the ITV channels tend to break up, in my experience.

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    There is far more to satellite reception dropping out than "asteroids getting in the way". Rain, snow, rare but not unknown pointing problems with the satellite all contribute. At the moment, all things equal, Sky clearly has better picture quality than Freeview but that should hopefully change in the near future. In saying that, I have a freeview box now that outperforms some satellite receivers I've owned before.

    Freeview will up its power after analogue switchoff and all main channels will be moved into the same channel groups as their analogue counterparts are now in. This will mean that people who currently have patchy reception because their aerials aren't designed for some local frequencies that are just outside their intended frequency band will no longer have that program. Ofcom has said that digital coverage will be better than analogue after switchover. There's no technical reason why a single frequency network couldn't be put in place to give a lot more bandwidth either.

    DAB may not have the outright quality it used to, but my four favourite radio stations are DAB only in this area. I'd rather have slightly compressed music I do like rather than perfect sounding rubbish. Pity there seems to be no way to hook a DAB box up to the Concert.

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    Re: The digital age is rubbish?

    Yes there is it's called a Woodstock

 

 

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