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    Ł40k for a golf ?

    nearly Ł40k for a golf,

    yes it is got all the extras, yes it a R, but at the end of day, it is still a golf.


    isn't there a better alternative for Ł40k out there?






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    135i and some change
    Still loving the 130i like the sideways dirtbag I am

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    VW know people will buy it though so they might aswell charge as much as they can. Id rather buy a second hand car worth 40k, get a proper nice car for that !
    Its gone replaced with a mk2 golf gti 16v :D

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    the selling figures will tell the tale

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    I know somebody who has just paid that for a 3 year old Bentley GT! I know what i'd rather have!
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    V8 Vantage for 40k

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    I wouldn't pay Ł30k for a top of the range Golf, nevermind Ł40k! Much better options available for Ł40k new or used in my opinion, but give it a few years, and these Golf R's should be a bargain if they are any good.



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    Doesnt exactly look very exciting either does it, wheels look rather RS6ish & suspension is NASA territory, yes its probably a pocket rocket, but some more sportier styling would be nice for the 30k badge as he's added 9k of options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NHN View Post
    Doesnt exactly look very exciting either does it, wheels look rather RS6ish & suspension is NASA territory, yes its probably a pocket rocket, but some more sportier styling would be nice for the 30k badge as he's added 9k of options.
    I thought that! Looks like a CL .....
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    looks ugly to , I like the new golf but the ttrs looking bumper doesnt suit the smiling golf at all.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by NHN View Post
    Doesnt exactly look very exciting either does it, wheels look rather RS6ish & suspension is NASA territory, yes its probably a pocket rocket, but some more sportier styling would be nice for the 30k badge as he's added 9k of options.
    I checked the spec for a " standard " R

    an engine, a metal box with a few windows, 4 sofas and 4 wheels , that about it.

    the options looks like standard to me,

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    I dont like it, but as already mentioned, people will buy it....probably the die hard fans will, and then will be snapped up by the shedload as a 2nd hand bargain.

    Why dont VW look at the way some of the cars are modded, i mean there are some beautiful looking Dubs on the scene, im not saying lairy spoilers etc, but something discreet that will attract a more positive response from buyers.

    That just looks like a generic '4x4' to me...lol

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    Sooner have an RS4 and have the change.


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    is anone else having a hard rime spotting Ł25k worth of difference between the "R" and the boggo "S"

    especially in that miserable blue colour

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    My father just bought a brand new Audi S5 for less than Ł40k.....

    plus the sirocco looks 10X better!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nvc View Post
    4 sofas
    Is this the LWB version?..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by nvc View Post
    yes it is got all the extras
    As in, every single option available?
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    I'm not sure I'd pay Ł40k for one fully loaded...
    But Ł30k+ for a basic R or high spec GTI...why not?

    It's easy to say you can have this or that, ...but how much does it cost to run an RS4?
    Or service an Aston @ Ł1800 per year?
    Or the Bentley service costs?
    Scirocco looks better...that's subjective...and it's not as practical.
    S5, too big for many people.

    Try speccing an S3 up with every option...and the cost is similar.
    But nobody would thing twice of highlighting that.

    The bottom line is, it'll sell at list...and some will option it up....and it'll still sell. It's low tax, and costs Ł250 to service for 3 years.
    ...and with a waiting list of 6 months for a GTI...and looking similar for an R...they are obviously pleasing some people out there.


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    It would have made more sense to develop a car that could be priced it at the same point as its predecessor the R32.
    40K is bonkers.

    The S3 has been around for 3 yrs now so granted its not new, but with achievable discount upto 10% 30K will get you a very high spec S3.
    So however good it may be, the Golf R will never be worth 10K more than its cousin IMO.
    Besides, when you spend 40K on a `performance` car, then you want something pretty quick, assuming the R will weigh pretty much the same as an S3, have 4wd, same power etc.. then as std its wont be really that fast.

    If I was spending around 40K on a VAG car then I would be think more like an S4.

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    I'll have the TT RS thank you very much for that kind of money!
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    Its all down to the individual really. I wouldn't pay Ł40k for any car.

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    The trouble is...none of the cars recently mentioned does what the golf does in the same way...
    S4 is huge...too big to park easily or garage for many.
    TT is a 2+2 with a small boot.
    S3 3dr is not as practical, and doesn't have the room inside...S3 Sportback in fugly (to me).
    I'm not saying it's to everyones taste...but look at the orders already for them.
    With deposits down, not a penny of discount and 6 months wait ahead...VW are selling as many as they can make.
    So somewhere out there, there are plenty of people who ARE paying Ł30k+ for a Golf.

    Personally, I wouldn't...as I don't think it's worth the premium over the GTI...but many are.

    ...and lets be fair, spec a S3 up with all the options, and see what it comes to price wise.
    It sure as hell ain't Ł10k less than the Golf R!


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    Quote Originally Posted by paddy View Post
    Its all down to the individual really. I wouldn't pay Ł40k for any car.
    I would love to hear you say this when you have a million quid in your bank account!



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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I would love to hear you say this when you have a million quid in your bank account!
    I could buy 6 of these Golfs tomorrow cash jojo but i get a load of fun out of my 3.2 I love the smoothness of the V6 and i love the noise of the V6 with my Remus exhaust. Most of all i love the fact that if it blows up tomorrow or some one bashes it in tesco's.... it really doesn't matter. Bet you wouldn't feel like that if you had just spent Ł40k on you golf shopping trolley :-)
    You can get a good carrera 4S for Ł20k now !!! loads more fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by paddy View Post
    I could buy 6 of these Golfs tomorrow cash jojo but i get a load of fun out of my 3.2 I love the smoothness of the V6 and i love the noise of the V6 with my Remus exhaust. Most of all i love the fact that if it blows up tomorrow or some one bashes it in tesco's.... it really doesn't matter. Bet you wouldn't feel like that if you had just spent Ł40k on you golf shopping trolley :-)
    You can get a good carrera 4S for Ł20k now !!! loads more fun
    I never said you couldn't afford to buy on of these.

    Your exact words was, and I quote...

    I wouldn't pay Ł40k for any car.
    ...meant you wouldn't spend Ł40k on any car. No need to flash your wallet about huh?



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    Well dont imply i dont want one because i havnt got the money I could buy what i want but i would not spend Ł40k on a car......period. in 3 years time your golf will lose 20k nearly Ł7k a year, that means you will lose Ł20 a day before you even start it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    ...and lets be fair, spec a S3 up with all the options, and see what it comes to price wise.
    It sure as hell ain't Ł10k less than the Golf R!
    Just gave it a go and it came to ROTR Ł39,160. Got to say, I expected it to be more! Out of the 2, I'd have the S3 personally (not that I'd spend Ł40k on either a Golf or an S3) because the Golf looks a bit too standard for my liking.

    As you said, they're selling like hot cakes so VW aren't complaining! Also, how many people out there have fully specced up their R's to Ł40k?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paddy View Post
    Well dont imply i dont want one because i havnt got the money I could buy what i want but i would not spend Ł40k on a car......period. in 3 years time your golf will lose 20k nearly Ł7k a year, that means you will lose Ł20 a day before you even start it up.

    I've not implied anything, you've got the wrong end of the stick mate, are you reading the same posts as I'm typing?

    I wouldn't buy a Ł40k Golf neither, but I WOULD pay Ł40k for the right car, and even though I could probably afford one right now, it makes no financial sense to buy, as like you say, it's a money pit in the short term.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    It's easy to say you can have this or that, ...but how much does it cost to run an RS4?
    Or service an Aston @ Ł1800 per year?
    Scirocco looks better...that's subjective...and it's not as practical.
    S5, too big for many people.

    Try speccing an S3 up with every option...and the cost is similar.
    But nobody would thing twice of highlighting that.

    The bottom line is, it'll sell at list...and some will option it up....and it'll still sell. It's low tax, and costs Ł250 to service for 3 years.
    ...and with a waiting list of 6 months for a GTI...and looking similar for an R...they are obviously pleasing some people out there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    The trouble is...none of the cars recently mentioned does what the golf does in the same way...
    S4 is huge...too big to park easily or garage for many.
    TT is a 2+2 with a small boot.
    S3 3dr is not as practical, and doesn't have the room inside...S3 Sportback in fugly (to me).
    I'm not saying it's to everyones taste...but look at the orders already for them.
    With deposits down, not a penny of discount and 6 months wait ahead...VW are selling as many as they can make.
    So somewhere out there, there are plenty of people who ARE paying Ł30k+ for a Golf.

    Personally, I wouldn't...as I don't think it's worth the premium over the GTI...but many are.

    ...and lets be fair, spec a S3 up with all the options, and see what it comes to price wise.
    It sure as hell ain't Ł10k less than the Golf R!
    I'd have to agree with alot of what you're saying here, aston I'd have in a heartbeat, but I also consider the running costs of every car I own even if I was fully loaded myself (wishful thinking) & tbh Ł1800 a year is a wishful dream, my mates aston was way over that for a simple service, how they get to that amount stuns me.

    S3 spec'd up is hell of alot of dough tbh & couldnt justify it.

    So if you consider all these elements instead of just the purchase price, then it might breakdown to just as expensive or lower overall to own than some of these others over the same period of ownership.

    Is the S4 that huge, I dont recall from when I was sitting in one some months back, is it that much wider than B7?

    The one thing that would stop me & does is the look, its atm rather boring, the GTI looks much better atm, cheaper & I always liked a GTI tbh, had the mk3 & loved it, had a number of MK3 VR6's & wasnt the same if I'm honest, but hey things move on, I still have a mk5 idea at the back of my mind & toying with scirocco, but the A3 is good for now as boring as some may think, but it suits atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    S3 3dr is not as practical, and doesn't have the room inside...!
    Unless the Mk6 is bigger than the Mk5, and I dont believe it is, then thats not strictly true. The only difference I noticed between the S3 and MK5 having owned them back to back, was the slightly shallower boot in the S3.
    So, same logic applied, there should be no difference between the S3 and Golf R with its 4wd layout.

    Im a big fan of both the S3 and the Golf, but Fwiw I personally wouldnt pay 40K for either of them so it matters not to me.
    Which brings us back to the old horses for courses cliche......

    I threw 25K at a very lightly used S3 because in my mind, thats all I could justify to myself for a hatchback.

    And 18month later I can say Im pleased i did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by N8 View Post
    I'd have a loaded S3 over a GOLF anyday of the week..
    ...and why is that?
    Because you somehow feel superior because you have a Audi?

    What if you wanted 5 doors and didn't want a fugly sportback?


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAr View Post
    Unless the Mk6 is bigger than the Mk5, and I dont believe it is, then thats not strictly true.
    It is...it's about 1" wider accross the cabin.
    Same platform as a Mk5...but every panel bar the roof is different.


    The only difference I noticed between the S3 and MK5 having owned them back to back, was the slightly shallower boot in the S3.
    So, same logic applied, there should be no difference between the S3 and Golf R with its 4wd layout.
    Ther Golf is squarer in the back...you'll get 3 adults accross the back of a golf where you won't in the A3/S3 - certainly not without their heads touching the roof/side windows.
    Same with the boot...a bit wider further up.


    Im a big fan of both the S3 and the Golf, but Fwiw I personally wouldnt pay 40K for either of them so it matters not to me.
    Which brings us back to the old horses for courses cliche......
    I'm with you...neither would I personally.
    But I can see why some would...


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    Quote Originally Posted by NHN View Post
    Is the S4 that huge, I dont recall from when I was sitting in one some months back, is it that much wider than B7?

    It's a fair step up in length and width from either an A3/Golf...maybe important to those parking in towns everyday.
    Certainly, the A4 is too big for what I'd want.


    The one thing that would stop me & does is the look, its atm rather boring,
    I agree.
    I prefer the GTI and lots of change.


    the GTI looks much better atm, cheaper & I always liked a GTI tbh, had the mk3 & loved it, had a number of MK3 VR6's & wasnt the same if I'm honest, but hey things move on, I still have a mk5 idea at the back of my mind & toying with scirocco, but the A3 is good for now as boring as some may think, but it suits atm.
    The defining moment will be how the R drives...
    If it's typical 4WD Golf understeer city...they can keep it.
    At least getting rid of that awful boat anchor of a V6 has given it a fighting chance.

    If it's as numb and sterlie as an S3, they can keep it too.

    If it's a GTI, with less wheelspin...then I may be interested...but in reality, it would need to look like a GTI, with a GTI interior and then 4WD and the S3 engine to make me reach for my wallet...and that's never going to happen.
    Sadly, I fear it'll be another boring VAG 4WD understeer chariot.

    Time will tell...

    If you could get a GTI with S3 engine and running gear, R brakes, GTI wheels (those R wheels are awful) and RS4 type buckets, half leather, with GTI cloth centres...i'd have a deposit down on one now.
    And I'd pay Ł40k for it.

    But my money is safe...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post

    If it's a GTI, with less wheelspin...then I may be interested...but in reality, it would need to look like a GTI, with a GTI interior and then 4WD and the S3 engine to make me reach for my wallet...and that's never going to happen.
    Sadly, I fear it'll be another boring VAG 4WD understeer chariot.

    Time will tell...

    If you could get a GTI with S3 engine and running gear, R brakes, GTI wheels (those R wheels are awful) and RS4 type buckets, half leather, with GTI cloth centres...i'd have a deposit down on one now.
    And I'd pay Ł40k for it.

    But my money is safe...
    The new Golf R is suppose to have the S3 2.0 Turbo unit Glen, hence they just called it an R, and not an R32 like previous models, and I believe it does have 4wd, infact it's an S3 underneath from what I've been reading!



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    Fcuk it.
    Lets all buy Caymans
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    Golf MK5 GTi 20TFSI - REVO Stage1, Red.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    The new Golf R is suppose to have the S3 2.0 Turbo unit Glen, hence they just called it an R, and not an R32 like previous models, and I believe it does have 4wd, infact it's an S3 underneath from what I've been reading!
    It is...this much we know.

    And that's the problem jojo...it's likely to drive like the S3...rather than the GTI.
    If it drives like the GTI, it would make it more interesting.

    But it'll still look boring.
    Personally I find the R boring to look at...and I could happily do without the LED w**ker lights.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAr View Post
    Fcuk it.
    Lets all buy Caymans
    I hear you...
    Not sure I'd want the running costs though...
    Or the lack of practicality...they are less useful than a 911 in many ways.

    Great car though...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    ...and why is that?
    Because you somehow feel superior because you have a Audi?

    What if you wanted 5 doors and didn't want a fugly sportback?
    If I may stepin here & knowing nate, I think its cause he prefers the interior to the Golfs overall, the current incarnation of A3 chassis do have better interiors, but saying this, the mk6 (aka mk5.5) & scirocco share & I was pleasantly surprised in a scirocco some weeks ago, it wasnt as bad as I thought when I was in a mk6 months back, strange tbh, but the A3 range are better IMHO, but each to there own.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    It is...it's about 1" wider accross the cabin.
    Same platform as a Mk5...but every panel bar the roof is different.
    Ther Golf is squarer in the back...you'll get 3 adults accross the back of a golf where you won't in the A3/S3 - certainly not without their heads touching the roof/side windows.
    Same with the boot...a bit wider further up.
    Its pretty damn roomy in the mk6 thats for sure, where as the A3 is a little tight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    It's a fair step up in length and width from either an A3/Golf...maybe important to those parking in towns everyday.
    Ah yes fair point, in my mind I was comparing S4 B7-B8 for some strange reason, but also todays house's come with garages to just about fit a smart car in & just get out of your sunroof anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    I agree.
    I prefer the GTI and lots of change.
    The defining moment will be how the R drives...
    I dont think I've ever agreed with you so much, lol, but yeah it reminds me of the old A3 Sline & the S3 comparison, there isnt much difference aesphetically tbh, but under the hood the S3 was mightier than any A3, as you say the drive will define this car, but damn me its bloody boring to look at huh, very unimpressive, bit like the new S4 aswell, didnt impress me one bit interms of styling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    At least getting rid of that awful boat anchor of a V6 has given it a fighting chance.
    I have to agree, the R32 was very very lacklustre when I test drove for a new car, the gti was much better/engaging & yes I know Ess why did I go for a 2.0 tdi, well I had the S3 for 7 years & the S4 for 2 & many other fair cars before, I just got fedup with pouring dough into shell etc's pockets, now I still do this but at a slower rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    If it's a GTI, with less wheelspin...then I may be interested...but in reality, it would need to look like a GTI, with a GTI interior and then 4WD and the S3 engine to make me reach for my wallet...and that's never going to
    You would have a 4wd,thats a 1st I've ever read from you iirc, I'm sure I always read you saying you much prefer fwd given its more adventurous drive, challenge, so wouldnt fall asleep at the wheel, hence non S3 lover, lol

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    The new Golf R is suppose to have the S3 2.0 Turbo unit Glen, hence they just called it an R, and not an R32 like previous models, and I believe it does have 4wd, infact it's an S3 underneath from what I've been reading!
    You sure as I read it was fwd joey.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAr View Post
    Fcuk it.
    Lets all buy Caymans
    Right you asked for it, thats the 2nd time in successive days, lmao

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    I think i would pay the 40k into a savings account till 2010 then buy an RS3 when its released makes more sense to me

 

 
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