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    Headlight Washer/Levelling System Check on MOT - Its Official

    Well obvious from title, but the new regs have come into force from yesterday, mine failed purely because of a hose had come loose & I had temporary disabled the system via coding.

    But, he says if the headlights are hid's, then they have to test for them, he did, failed me because it was disabled, I re-enabled, fixed pipe then & there, passed.

    So you've now been warned, its on the test & any mot station that doesn't check with cars with hid's, will now be breaking the law.

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    i need a new pump, mine's seized

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    will get all those who have retro fitted HIDs without the leveling system and washers, watch this space

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    Iirc not all cars that came with xenon/hids had the self levelling lights at the beginning. How will they test these?

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    I guess your mot tester didnt quite tell you all the rule. If you have xenon lights that have washer jets and self levelling then they must work.if your can has xenoon lights they only illegal if they have an incorrect beam pattern if not fitted with washers and auto levelling . For anyone with aftermarket hid kits if your lghts produce more than 2000 lumens of light then it is a failure unless fitted with auto levelling.
    But if the plod pull you over they cannot fine you /whatever if you state that you're lights only produce 1990 lumens .as they have no way of testing this .only an mot station has the equipment neccesary .

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    Hollow, im pretty sure that was the old rules, if its fitted it has to work, if no level/washer fitted its not tested.

    We will see though, my MOT is up for renewal now too
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    Re: Headlight Washer/Levelling System Check on MOT - Its Official

    Quote Originally Posted by @udi A3 View Post
    Hollow, im pretty sure that was the old rules, if its fitted it has to work, if no level/washer fitted its not tested.

    We will see though, my MOT is up for renewal now too
    Be interested to see what they say.

    I'm going to have chat to my local garage and see what they say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottB5 View Post
    Be interested to see what they say.

    I'm going to have chat to my local garage and see what they say.
    Me too. My garage - which is also my MOT testing station - actually supplied and fitted the after-market HIDs I had on my B6 about four years ago. I haven't seen any kits on their shelves for a good while now, so next time I'm in there (service and MOT due end of April) I'll ask them what their understanding is of the legislation as it stands.
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    I do have manual adjusters from halogen lights still, so should be ok. If not ill be selling some oem xenons soon
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    I just spoke to my servicing and MOT garage about retro-fit HIDs, and their understanding of the current legislation. As far as they are concerned, retro-fit HIDs are an MOT failure, so they they no longer stock, sell or fit them.
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    Read here looks like you have to have washers and self level lights for MOT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wesmaster View Post
    Read here looks like you have to have washers and self level lights for MOT.
    I'm not quite sure how you work that out from your link. It clearly says 'Headlamp levelling and cleaning devices when fitted for HID or LED headlamps'. 'When fitted' is the pertinent part. It doesn't say anything about them having to be fitted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olethalb View Post
    i need a new pump, mine's seized

    thanks for heads up
    x2 never bothered replacing the pump as the washers just make a mess of the front end and waste loads of screenwash (I buy the fancy nice smelling stuff from VW).

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    I'm pretty sure some older cars that came with factory hids didn't have auto levelling or wash... My old omega for one... *bit of fuel. For the fire right there... *
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollow View Post
    I guess your mot tester didnt quite tell you all the rule. If you have xenon lights that have washer jets and self levelling then they must work.if your can has xenoon lights they only illegal if they have an incorrect beam pattern if not fitted with washers and auto levelling . For anyone with aftermarket hid kits if your lghts produce more than 2000 lumens of light then it is a failure unless fitted with auto levelling.
    But if the plod pull you over they cannot fine you /whatever if you state that you're lights only produce 1990 lumens .as they have no way of testing this .only an mot station has the equipment neccesary .
    Good point & thanks for the info.

    Most of the people (even some working on the MOT inspection) don´t know that lights under 2000 Lumens don´t requiere auto levelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrkon View Post
    I'm pretty sure some older cars that came with factory hids didn't have auto levelling or wash... My old omega for one... *bit of fuel. For the fire right there... *
    Even the new ones.

    the New Audi A1 & VW Beetle are some examples.

    They have HID headlights (under 2000 Lumens) with no washer or auto levelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malfuss View Post
    I'm not quite sure how you work that out from your link. It clearly says 'Headlamp levelling and cleaning devices when fitted for HID or LED headlamps'. 'When fitted' is the pertinent part. It doesn't say anything about them having to be fitted.
    Finally, someone writing the truth rather than knee jerking.

    My old Evo 9 have HID headlights as standard. No washers or auto leveling. It still sales through the MOT as they were never fitted to the car as standard. The main reason this rule has come in is to prevent the use of the aftermarket HID kits being installed and dazzling other road users. I myself do a lot of road cycling and my biggest bug bare is being blinded by incorrect headlight adjustments or HID's.

    Here's one to look up and ask yourself - why must only HID lights have headlight washers? Why not every type of headlight? Answers on a postcard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve220 View Post
    Finally, someone writing the truth rather than knee jerking.

    My old Evo 9 have HID headlights as standard. No washers or auto leveling. It still sales through the MOT as they were never fitted to the car as standard. The main reason this rule has come in is to prevent the use of the aftermarket HID kits being installed and dazzling other road users. I myself do a lot of road cycling and my biggest bug bare is being blinded by incorrect headlight adjustments or HID's.

    Here's one to look up and ask yourself - why must only HID lights have headlight washers? Why not every type of headlight? Answers on a postcard
    I get dazzled by normal halogens, either the bulb is not seated correctly in the lamp or the headlamp is broke. its soo annoying, and them new Merc Xenons are sooo bright, they should be illegal.!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve220 View Post
    Here's one to look up and ask yourself - why must only HID lights have headlight washers? Why not every type of headlight? Answers on a postcard
    As I understand it, Generally because HID (as the name suggrsts) and Led headlamps are far brighter/intense than your usual 55w dip beam halogen, and as such any dirt on the lens can refract the light far more easily than halo's.
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    I don't understand why they did away with head wipers.
    They was so much better than just jets.
    I also thought they was really cool watching the little wiper wipe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottB5 View Post
    I don't understand why they did away with head wipers.
    They was so much better than just jets.
    I also thought they was really cool watching the little wiper wipe.
    Because Xenon lights are so powerful they would melt the rubber!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbm View Post
    Because Xenon lights are so powerful they would melt the rubber!
    Really?
    WOW.

    Did not think of that.

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    Heres the mot inspection manual which is issued by VOSA themselfs. Every mot should be done to these standards. This will clear up any problems about hid self leveling/washers

    Enjoy

    http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m4i00000101.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbm View Post
    Because Xenon lights are so powerful they would melt the rubber!
    I was thinking about this.

    If the rubber melts, why don't the plastic with in the headlight melt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottB5 View Post
    I was thinking about this.

    If the rubber melts, why don't the plastic with in the headlight melt?
    I dont think the rubber would melt as hid bulbs are lower watt than halogen bulbs so produce less heat

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    I believe the latest generation of Xenons as fitted to Mercs and some of the other top marques use 55w Ballasts and burners and are very very bright.

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    the place where i go just passed one of cars with the wash system disabled, stupid rule if you ask me nice to see common sense being applied, what next your car failed sir because you haven't waxed it recently.

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    Well, that MOT centre is breaking the rules and would lose their license if it was found out. If the system is fitted, is must be operational.

    These rules are for safety - HID lights are very bright and dazzle on-coming drivers very easily. A cleaner lens helps keep that in check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cooper86 View Post
    Heres the mot inspection manual which is issued by VOSA themselfs. Every mot should be done to these standards. This will clear up any problems about hid self leveling/washers

    Enjoy

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    Well according to that it just says check operation of any wash or levelling system. So if it ain't fitted it doesn't have to be tested. If its fitted it has to work. That would be my understanding.
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