It's a valid argument - that the ST does pack some punch once remapped. The power has been taken down a lot standard ... and for an extra few hundred quid - the dreamscience makes all the difference.
OK its not 4wd like the audi - but compared to even my Diesel A3 170 - which was Exceptionally tail happy.... I would choose the Focus again and again...
It might not be the nicest looking car - but after the lemon of a car I had from Audi... I'd never have another A3 again!!
I guess it lays down to the fact of everyone's individual taste...
The thought between focus ST owners is why bother upgrading to an RS.... IF it is indeed going to even happen.... a couple of hundred pounds buys you what the RS is forecasted to be 280bhp.... In general every day drive!!! What is the point???
[quote=Marcyboy;560612]I can confirm, my last car was a Focus ST-2, with Dreamscience Race + re-map. Car was dyno'd at 271.3 bhp. Which is a damn bit more than the prescribed 223 bhp which comes from factory!!!
After all my audi troubles - I have gone back to Ford again - and have ordered a ST-3 this time, and will be doing exactly same portable mod to the Ford again. It would easily Eat a standard S3, there is no reason for it not to! quote]
The new RS should be 4WD and fettled by Cosworth (+300BHP). I'd buy one of them for sure. It's just a shame Ford seem to be skint!
I thought Fords handle pretty well from my experience with some of the newer models.
in general they do but compared to the st's competitors it is a bit soft and lardy.
I was very impressed by the way the Mondeo handled for a barge. And the new Focus was pretty stiff too, mind you, it was barely worn in.
A few weeks ago I was on the way back from a caneo trip in wales with 3 big lads and myself + all our camping gear in the car, when we had an encounter with an Orange ST in Bracknell (possibly chipped, it had stickers (for his forum I think) and very dark tints). It was just him in his car and basically, he got served! ;)
Also, as for handling, I can't say too much on here, but around a roundabout the S3 showed the ST up :thumbsup: (ESP off)
To be fair, if his car was stock, he wouldn't stand a chance against Hammer Time! ;)
haha, nice Alex :)
I forgot to mention. On the way back up from Luton a few weeks ago a red Renault Megane trophy sport F1 le mans 24 R26 with chequered flag on bumper came hooning past. (lol)
I had 4 in the car including me, but thought what the hey....basically he got served :asskicking:
Infact, he got served multiple times, everytime I pulled over far in front and letting off he came past time and again :rolleyes:
Eventually he came to his junction and gave me a few flashes of the headlights as he pulled off :)
The stuff of dreams:
I not sure the new RS will be a rival for the S3 at all ?
Its too different, it will be cheaper and FWD for a start.
Im sure it will be a good car and whether it is quicker on the road/track/drag strip remains to be seen. To say so is pure speculation and if is was, I still wouldnt be enough to attract me.
For the price of an S3 you can buy a faster more exiting car in an EVO/Sti but thats not the only reason you buy an S3.
I cant imagine many S3 owers trading in their S3 for one, its more likey to tempt Golf, R26, VXR, Type R drivers to spend a bit more money than S3 drivers to look to save money on the next car change.
Its an uber Focus not a cheaper S3 alternative.
I had a track day recently in my standard S3 against an ST, remapped with Dreamscience, and an R32 (interstingly enough). The S3 was similar on the straights to both cars, bascically ST > S3 > R32, but for lap times is was certainly S3 > R32 > ST, with a HUGE difference between the S3 and the other cars. For those who are intersted the track was Llandlow and I was several seconds a lap quicker, which on a small track is a lot of time...
Anyway, comparing an RS to the S3, both great cars imho. I am sure the RS will be a cracker, but it's not my type of car, I wanted something with a better quality interior, which is why I paid (over the odds imho) for the S3.
I say wait till the Stig get hold of both and puts them round a track. Its unfair to say on track days because driver talet comes into it and that is a HUGE variable!
^^^^^Thats it , WE have already got a fantastic car in the S3 , it's a all weather everyday car , be it on track , on the M/Way , or on a B-roads.
The only thing that can be said is it's not the most involing drive out there , the S3 is the " bigger picture " if i wanted out and out handling/fun i would have bought a Exige or something.
The S3 is not a shabby handling car , if it can lap a track 1 second faster than a R26 with it's sorted chassis/LSD/Brembo 4 pots in the hands of a decent drivers it must be pretty good.
Yes it's got 30bhp more than the Megane , but it's also got 200KG more weight.
The reason I find it amusing is that people will find any excuse to theorise why a car not yet released will be worse/better than a car they own, a view that will clearly be one sided.
From comments such as "200bhp in a FWD car is the max tyres can handle" through to "My S3 trounced a xxx on a track day" are pretty worthless unless you have some fixed variables (same drivers, same weather conditions etc)
for what its worth, I would choose an S3 over any ford but again I guess that's not the point
Oh and my A3 diesel annihilated a Gallardo the other day.......
I haven't read all the posts in this thread...mainly because i can guess what the general content will be... Ford Vs. Audi and the usual value for money *****ing...
But all i'll say is that had this been a proper RS car in the mould of the true RS cars of the past, with full time 4WD etc and a real rallying pedigree i'd be quite interested to have a drive. I'd imagine it'd be terrific.
However, seeing as it's full time FWD only i have no real interest. I don't care how fast it is in a straight line on dry tarmac.
I think people should be comparing this as a direct competitor to the Astra VXR....Not an S3. Different kettle of fish in my opinion.
Oh and i admit to being a bit of a badge snob. I like my german engineered cars, the general feel of prestige so again i'm not really interested.
Like i say... Shame it's not going to continue the RS rally pedigree. Could have been a real Impreza/Evo killer.
As others have said, I think we are all happy with our choices in the S3, as I am sure members of an ST forum are happy with their choices. It all comes down to personal preference and what you want in a car.
Anyway, I look forward to the RS coming out as I LOVE performance cars, especially hot hatches, and am interested to see what it'll be like! :hi:
Nah, im having a good day, sun is shining, thinking about having a BBQ later :)
I'll concede that we dont share the same opinion on anything at all. :bye:
Wouldn't mind a BBQ later myself actually....