My current ones are still doing fine, but body roll and the two mile gap between tyre and arch needs reducing quickly.
I've got a new set of wheels to go on and they will look shocking on my current set up.
Go with the 50mm bro, The 35 will pretty much bring you down to s line height which is still a fair bit high up.
+1 on the 50mm. Have you looked at smoothie's thread? There's some good pics of his lowered on 50mm H&R's.
All this stuff about them lacking comfort over a spring and shock combo is negligible IMO. My Koni coils on my TT & KW's on my Golf were both perfectly comfy AND allowed height + damping adjustment for playtime. Whilst I agree coilovers were born for the track, many are easily comfy enough for daily use and offer all the adjustability you need.
+1 for coils :)
Closely followed by comfort and improved handling, looks are my priority, but not to the extent of getting a perfect stance e.g. front lower than the back etc etc.
A nice level low and I'm happy. I haven't got a specific height I'm after.
The more I think about it the more I'm convinced coilies aren't for me.
Ok, so now I've decided on springs and shocks.................
Which kit to go for????
The H&R and KW kits are priced roughly the same, and the Weitec kit is about £60 less.
Any opinions on these brands?? Experiences??? Not so much about the heights, more about the comfort/handling.
Do Dampers also add to the amount a car would be lowered by? I ask as my FK shortened ones combined with the KW springs seems to have dropped lower than the 35mm KW quoted it would. The arch gap was more than 40mm before I'm sure and the drop has pretty much tucked the tyres under the arches now... I read in the damper literature that using just the dampers with regular shocks would lower the car by 20mm but when I was going to put my old shocks back on because it's too low a couple people told me only the springs lower the car....
Reading the thread I think a full suspension kit rather than coilovers will be good for you. I would go for a 40-50mm drop and I would recommend the H&R kit for the A3 8P.
I have looked at this myself, I think in all honesty it all comes down to what you buy, the standard S line is suspension is very crashy I find, where I live is alot of speedbumps in the towns and then bumpy country roads just out of it and at times it can be bloody horrible. I have auditioned a set of Vmaxx plus on 19s running stretched, wound all way down on firmest setting and in all honesty even that was a hell of an improvement over my standard S lines. Me personally, I am looking at KW V1 inox I think I'd rather pay abit extra and have the look at the comfort (from what I have heard they are fantastic are very comfortable for coilies)
Coilovers all day long
I guess I'm just going to see if anyone will take me out in an S3 with coils and 19s, and someone else with springs and 19s, to compare the two directly. Don't want a crashy/hard ride, but also don't want to be in off-road mode once the 19s are on.
I am going to try out some of the other guys rides on Sunday when we meet at Ace cafe!
make my mind up about this once and for all! :)
You lot make laugh
Make your mind up on the springs and shocks then go out and buy some KW Variant 1's and dont look back ;)
If you going to use your car for track days more than on british roads or your after scene points and a harsh ride go fo coilovers
If you drive in traffic at a average of 10-50mph,save your money and go for springs or springs and well matched shocks
Just get a decent set of dampening adjustable coilovers.. if you feel like youve just put them at one height and the ride isnt as good as you would expect from springs and shocks then il take the coilovers off your hands ;)
Make a small loss and try both worlds
Bit of an update:
Today I popped down to AMD Essex and spoke to one of their guys about lowering. He was firmly in favour of coilovers.
I asked him about the H&R spring and damper kit and he said that they don't even like selling H&R stuff because they are too firm and even firmer than coilovers.
He mentioned that Eibach springs were a much nicer ride than H&R, but still recommended AP coilovers (apparently an entry level coilover made by KW??) as the way to go.
He went on to say how rubbish JOM were (which I already knew), and that V-maxx are a load of sh*t too.
So...... I'm still favouring springs/dampers (but am now considering Eibach springs with some other dampers), but the idea of coilovers has 1% entered my mind again.
stick to dampers mate, if your wanting another softer spring/damper go eibach pro springs & koni fsd dampers, been in a couple alfa GTAs with them fitted driven on london roads and they are spot on!
I've got the kW v3 kit on mine with about 50mm lower than stock. Depending on what you want to spend,and what you need,there are kist to fit most budgets,but generally,you get much more adjustment,and range with the more costly kits,and the ability to tailor it to pretty much what you want.
FSD's + Eibachs! That's how I'm gonna be rollin'
Just need to find someone who selss then both and does a nice discount.
Remember seller will always big up what they sell and knock everything else, so there is no substitute for getting in a few cars and trying it.
Also, I'm not sure I'm feeling the slight nose down stance eibach gives. H&R always looks nice and level to me.
haha, i thought H&R had a tad RR? ill check my pics...
just checked my build thread, there is a little RR maybe 5mm, its prob more pronounced when your running spacers as you can see how they sit in the arch's easier
I think if you focus on the space between tyre and arch then maybe, but looking at the car as a whole and how it sits in line with the ground then it looks level to me.
Eibach evens up the tyre/arch gap but makes the car lean slightly forward to achieve it.
Or maybe my eyes are just wonky.
ah possibly... would need to see them side by side, to be fair, i wouldnt mind a few extra mm at the rear as you do catch the milltek from time to time lol
all personal choice though!
The car sits perfectly level as you say ads. But it also has reverse rake like Paolo said. They are very crashy at times and being brutally honest I hate them! can't wait to change them. Although I will go coils cause I'll be tracking it! And also want to slam it once in a while :)
Dont bilstein do a damper and spring kit?
Does this (level) car have reverse rake??
If it does then it looks like the only way to not have reverse rake is to have the car in a nose down stance, because the A3/S3's front arches are bigger/higher than the rears.
Oh and mate, I asked about the fitted price for the forge short shifter (just in case we could get a lil discount for doing both), but the guy checked his computer and says its gone up to £115 fitted now. :sadlike:
So.. I've spent the last couple of hours doing some major internet research and I've seen millions of photos of A3s on eibach pro, eibach sportlines, h&r 30mm and 50mm, and a couple of other set ups, and the winner is................................................ .
Eibach Sportlines :rock:
After saying I don't like the nose down stance..... I actually do. Its only subtle and nicely evens out the tyre/arch gap for front vs rear.
Also, it seems that they do offer a comfier ride than h&r.
So I'm going to have them fitted (AMD supply/fit/align for £300), and i'm keeping my standard dampers on, and if the ride is crap then I'll have some FSDs fitted later on.
So that's it, i'm decided.
Cheers for accompanying me on this journey guys and for all your input. It's been emotional. :blownose:
good man, you know what day your having them fitted?
oh and that A3 has mega reverse rake! lol