Accurate and not at the same time. ASN was never an aside to anything. ASN was merely hosted on AMD's server - briefly. That's pretty much the long and short of it.
Originally Posted by aragorn
Accurate and not at the same time. It doesn't cost me a fortune, but I have, and do put time and money into ASN, in various ways. Adam puts money into it, and yes, while that which comes in goes back to him as above - there'd have to be a boatload more coming in for him to be in profit out of it.
I've never once suggested you personally are milking the website for all its worth, infact i'm well aware that you work on it in your spare time, without pay, or any other benefits, you've told me this before. Its not you thats putting the money into it though is it? The money comes from (and goes to) Adam, and thats the bit i dont understand. Why would someone with no involvement in the forum or community, be shovelling cash at it?
I'm beginning to find it quite amusing that you point blank can't understand that the only reason any of us do it is so that the site's here... What would be my possible gain for bull****ting you about it? I can't speak with any real certainty about Adam's motivaion, but I can pretty confidently say that he does it because he takes pride in the place and it's not much more than that. The same goes for me, but over and above the pride taken in helping run what I believe is a overall a good site/community, I can add that I'm around and doing it because a) I do like Audis, even if I'm driving someone else's Passat instead at the moment; b) I like the site/community, and c) there's quite a lot of sentimental attachment for me with ASN - it's been a big and effective influence on me.
Honestly, if we're lying, cheating sons of *****es who only have the site online as a useless-for-the-community and helpful-for-our-fortune money collector, why are you still wasting your time (and money?) on it - 4,881 posts in two years must make you a proper sucker for punishment?
I've absolutely no f**king idea why I should be justifying what I've said to you, but still - as above, I've no reason to be bull****ting you. You're not far off on the server renatl costs. We pay for the licence of vB (two licences at the moment as it happens), the Classifieds engine, the software behind the .tv site, we've paid for software infrastructure that links it all together, we've also had a couple of things commissioned for our specific uses, and there are one or two things waiting in the wings which have cost money too. Again, we're into thousands for software - don't ask again, you'll not be shown receipts.
You also claim to have spend thousands on software, yet other than a licence for vB, which is at most going to cost a few hundred quid a year, and the server rental, which is shouldnt be any more than £200 a month for a particularly shiney box, i'm struggling to see where else needs money spent on it.
I like the way that when YOU and a handful of others have been knocked-back (but not completely without hope of change) on a request, it's suddenly that "ANY" requests are ignored/canned/permanently placed on the rear burner. One swallow a summer does not make. The prefix system in the 8P forum was an entirely different kettle of fish, as that was always just a trial to explore different ways of navigating the existing layout rather than making other changes which were regressional.
Its seems to me its not here for the community, because any suggestions made by the community (or even your moderators) that dont fit your (or perhaps adams) wishes, gets ignored/canned/permenantly placed on the rear burner. This isnt the first issue thats come up about a forum feature thats disliked by many, yet because you (or perhaps adam) like it, its getting pushed along and everyone elses thaughts/opinions are getting canned.
Well if you can empty all the **** out of your garage over there, why exactly are you bellyaching that you can't do it here?
You also say that if i have a pile of parts i want to sell i should use ebay or similar. I dont agree, if i have a pile of audi parts, then listing them on an Audi forum is to me a sensible first option, have a flick thru many of the posts on AudiSRS and RS246 and you'll see exactly that, someone listing a pile of desirable parts on a community board for community members to have first shout at.
As above, that was a different kettle of fish. It was a trial we ran to explore a compromise between viewpoints which were pretty much completely at odds. You can tell me I'm lying, but give a **** I will not, I can say with no fear of being struck-down that we were committed to pursuing that system, with any valuable/useful refinements suggested - by ANYONE - until the point it descended into bickering and point-scoring. That will all be remembered when it's time to revisit it.
I would suggest a poll was in order, to sample the communitys thaughts on whether we keep the existing system, or switch to the alternative, however no doubt that would either be ignored if it went against what you want, or simply locked/deleted like the recent controversial 8P poll about the post tagging. But that was done for the good of the community right?
Cute. I'm not even going to bother...
Also: Galz, N8, instead of ***************, why not post some actual comments/opinions.
If you want to play 'last word', lets carry on - but I'm only going to reiterate what I've said in this post and my last, as there really isn't anything else to be said at this point. Who knows, you might even turn out to be a fan of the revised Classifieds when it's had an overhaul. For now we're satisfied that you can't be, so we'll not be losing much sleep about your feelings toward the Classifieds or our corrupt and fraudulent administration until, and we'll not be dropping everything else (arguably considerably more pressing) in (likely vein) attempts to placate you.
If you stil have things to discuss following some proper reworking of the feature, fine (and I'm aware by saying that, even if you like it when it changes you'll have a moan just for your money's worth); if you still think we (myself and/OR Adam) are just corrupt and money-grabbing, frankly, sod ya - one thing we don't need in return for time and resource is *****ing born of a) being a cranky ******* unable to comprehend motives other than financial and b) third hand, likely incomplete, and possilbly inaccurate snippets of information gleamed from conversation with Mark.