Aww..is that the best you can do?
Originally Posted by nky_84
I expected better.
Try answering the original point...
BHP is a calculated figure : bhp = (rpm x lb/ft ) /5252
Simple enough for you?
You stated that BHP wasn't a real world figure. It is.
...and you'd better learn about grammar!
Comma, then the space.
What spec your mini?
As for the pointless whine about its a track car, its a track car, its not, its a road car 99% of the time and any half decent track car would destroy it, my road legal track mini for example.
I had a proper play with a 1380 DCOE equipped proper mini round Knockhill...a decent car, good engine, well set up...and there was nothing in it between him and me.
His was a sprint car, and him a decent driver too.
You simply can't say out of hand one would be 'better'. that the other.
I don't know of too many cars making zero lb-ft at 9000 RPM though, do you?
Can i refer you to equation 1, zero torque at 9000rpm doesnt do the "bhp" figure any favours, so id hardly call torque irrelevant, that's just stupid.
Power keeps the engine spinning...torque accellerates the car.
The ITR engine is good...but nothing ground breaking. It's just a well screwed together 1.8 NA.
Why are you just repeating yourself, have you nothing else to say? My comments were on the engine and you have no argument for that, so you brush them off and bang on about the handling again, about which i said i couldnt comment.
But the car is more than the engine...surely even you can see that?
So commneting on the engine when the engine is not the shining star of the car, is surely ignoring what the ethos of the car is all about, is it not?
Mine was stock for about a year.
Good for you, big man, but im talking about stock vs stock,which yours was not, as well as trying to remove variables such as driver skill and bigger balls ie corners
Mine was also new...so big balls play little part when you are hurling 20Ks worth of 6 month old Honda round a track, uninsured.
You can push harder on a car that's better set up...that's simple.
Stock vs Stock, I belive the ITR to be faster point to point than a Williams Clio...in the hands of someone who knows how to exploit the engine and chassis of the ITR.
Lets see now...
What a load of crap! Id love to see a 'teg on even a damp track with very tight corners which require a very low gear to exit, a recipe for extreme wheelspin and no go i think so!
Aberdeen and District Motor Club trackday at Knockhill several years ago...
Laptimes of my standard ITR were mid way up the field of Imprezas (UK Turbos, WRXs, STIs and a 22B)...and it was raining hard that day.
XR Owners Day at the local sprint track several years ago...
Laptimes of my standard ITR were mid way up the field of Imprezas (UK Turbos, WRXs, STIs and a 22B), on a damp track.
Wothout wishing to sound harsh, you are arguing about a chassis you have never driven. How do you know what it's capable of without driving one...oh yeah, because you 'hate vtec with a passion'.
Getting an ITR off the line is an issue...tight corner grip isn't. That LSD works well..
You don't read too well, do you?
If you wanted an everyday car you'd have an s3, but you'd have an ITR any day of the week? That clears everything up.............
I'll write it again...maybe you can read it better the second time:
"I'd have one anyday of the week (ITR)...above a S3, if it was for a fun car."
That's not too hard, now is it?
I'd choose one above an S3, if it was fur fun.
"If I wanted an everyday car for driving when I'm tired, then the S3 wins."
I'll explain that to you as well...when I'm bored, tired and just want to get from A to B with little by way of driver input and even less excitement, I'd choose the S3.
There...not too hard, was it?
I agree with you about the dodgy looks...awkward at best. Ugly, probably.
In conclusion, i expressed my views on the 'tegs dodgy looks, dodgy owners and experiences of coming up against the mighty vtec clowns.
In response, we get info dredged back up from previous posts, with a few token digs at the s3.
Your experiences of VTEC drivers are your own...
But specific experiences about what makes the ITR special, you can't offer.
I'd have thought that having bought, modified and than sold an S3 I'm entitled to a few opinions...sorry if it doesn't massage your ego by telling you that you drive the best car in the world...because it isn't.
The S3 is good at many things...but a drivers car or exciting to drive, it isn't.
You are entitled to all the opinions you want...
Heaven forbid for me to have an opinion on a public forum but IMHO Honda Integra DC2, not cool.
Just indulge me the same...regarding the S3.