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acf8181 said:
my golf vr6 tends to have the rear end snap out if you do it, but i used it great effect yesterday when racing a formula first.
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Wow! Assuming it's a Mk3 Golf VR6...they are normally understeering everywhere and getting the rear and to move at all is some undertaking!
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'ess three' - what have you altered on your mkIII golf gti to enable it to do it? and did you also get a snappy rear end on it before you fettled with the suspension?
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No snappy rear end on my Mk3 ever...it would always tend to understeer...so much so that getting it to the point of having enough grip at thwe front to contemplate trail braking was reasonably tricky. Even on the limit it would slide progressively and evenly in a 4 wheel drift...definately not snappy at the back.
Anyway...my current set up(this is on a 16v GTI...so less front end weight to contend with as a starting point):
Koni coilovers (front damping set close to minimum, rear damping set about 1/3rd up from softest), Eibach anti roll bars, full Powerflex bush set, maximised front castor by moving the front subframe, 1.8 degrees front negative camber each side, 0.5mm front toe out each side, Toyo T1-S 215/40/16 tyres on 7" x 16" rims, Quaife ATB LSD and 3.94 FD.
Basically, I've upped the front grip by sorting the suspension and tyres, added traction with the diff and lower FD and made the rear a bit more mobile by adding the bigger Eibach rear bar. Added to the whole car being a bit tighter by virtue of the stiffer bushes, it rotates nicely now...and as long as you are in the right gear and keep your right foot down, it'll pull through regardless of what the rear starts doing.
In saying that...it turns in so well not that there's no rear need to provoke a wagging tail by trail braking. It'll do it controllably, but under normal driving you don't need to.