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    yeh, i was told to use shell v power as you will get the most power out of it then, red ones are faster than black ones :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie138 View Post
    does it make any diff running on normal unleaded after the remap? The revo page said they used shell vpower for tests.
    Revo told me you can see 15-20 bhp more for using shell Vpower with the remap!

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    So if you get 20bhp more with V-power/remap i.e. 305bhp then that suggests 285 on normal fuel/remap?

    I just can't see that?!?!
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    But if the 2.0T is a k04 turbo'd motor, rather than the k03 turbo as in most other A4's, then it is possible, as you would be talking similar remap figure to the S3.
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    OK I've obviously missed something in this thread. <blush>

    Perhaps it's just I'm not getting the terminology. If it's got a bigger turbo then I don't get how it's Stage 1 as that would imply to me simply a remap.
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    The bigger turbo can withstand the power, you can get higher stage upgrades but really don't make a big difference, please explain yourself more

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    So one of the perks of this limited run car is that it comes with a de-tuned correctly mounted Audi S3 engine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoTTy View Post
    OK I've obviously missed something in this thread. <blush>

    Perhaps it's just I'm not getting the terminology. If it's got a bigger turbo then I don't get how it's Stage 1 as that would imply to me simply a remap.
    It is still stage 1 if the engine comes with the bigger turbo from the factory. Its the same as the old 8L A3/S3. Both were 1.8T engines, the A3 coming with a k03/k03s turbo, S3 came with the k04. Same as 8P S3's. A stage 1 remap on either engine will produce a certain result, i.e. Stage 1 k03s equipped motors usually end up roughly the same power as standard k04 motors, whereas a stage 1 k04 is considerably more.

    So if the engine in the Dynamic is k04 equipped (similar to the 8P S3), then it stands to reason that the stage 1 power output will be similar to the 8P S3's stage 1 output. Rather than that of the k03 equipped A4 which will be closer to the power output of a standard S3 (k04 equipped).

    This is not uncommon in the VAG range. Looking at the mk5 Golf, the Edition 30 came with only an extra 30 BHP over the normal GTI, but this was a k04 equipped car, so after a stage 1 remap, it could break the 300 BHP barrier, rather than the 250 of normal GTI's.

    Mk4 GTI's came with either k03 or k03s equipped engines, again producing different stage 1 results depending on which turbo was originally fitted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripleD View Post
    So one of the perks of this limited run car is that it comes with a de-tuned correctly mounted Audi S3 engine?
    Basically that would appear to be correct. Of course, this opens up the field for modifying normal A4's, as there will be a k04 turbo aailable to swap out now. Which is usually a cheaper way to go than aftermarket turbo swaps, and will allow k03 2.0T A4 owners to break the 300 BHP for a more reasonable / more OEM route.
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    Hmmm. As far as I'm aware "All" 211ps B8 2.0TFSIs run the same turbo. Even the dynamics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auroan View Post
    Hmmm. As far as I'm aware "All" 211ps B8 2.0TFSIs run the same turbo. Even the dynamics.
    So there are two people on the forum, both with Dynamiks, both been remaped.
    Is there an easy way for them to go out, pop the bonnet and solve the mystery of which turbo is fitted?

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    To be honest, I think its irrelevant. If the motors have been mapped and RR'd and are getting 300+ BHP, they will be running the k04 turbo. If they are only RR-ing to about 250 BHP then its a k03 turbo'd engine.

    It would be relatively easy to spot on the road too. A k03 engined motor will feel a fair chunk faster after the remap, but a k04's motor will feel like an absolute weapon by comparison post remap. A near 50% increase will be very noticeable compared to 25%, not that 25% wont bring a smile to your face mind.
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    how do you ID the turbos, are they obviously signed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripleD View Post
    So there are two people on the forum, both with Dynamiks, both been remaped.
    Is there an easy way for them to go out, pop the bonnet and solve the mystery of which turbo is fitted?
    Revo told me its a K04

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripleD View Post
    So there are two people on the forum, both with Dynamiks, both been remaped.
    Is there an easy way for them to go out, pop the bonnet and solve the mystery of which turbo is fitted?

    If you have a look at Revo Facebook page on the link below they explain why the big power gain. Read through the threads and you can see people asking similar questions to here and they answer them. I hope this helps.
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    I read that linked page and I'm no more clear? If the Dynamik has the K04 then why was it launced with the same figures and the difference not a listed and proclaimed selling point?

    I also read a post saying the remapped 2.0T is faster than a 4.2 V8 powered S5?!?!?! I'm simply not getting this.
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    The Dynamik is no different to any another valve lift 2.0TFSI A4. The big power gains are using the valvelift tech to it's fullest. Check the engine code, they'll be the same any other non-Dynamik
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamik A4 View Post
    If you have a look at Revo Facebook page on the link below they explain why the big power gain. Read through the threads and you can see people asking similar questions to here and they answer them. I hope this helps.
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    Mentions nothing about a K04 turbo AT ALL
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    yeh they do but the turbo on the b8 is still larger than the b7 and earlier it is one of the best engines for tuning

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    anyway the software is installed in my dynamik and is just fantastic, if the figures dont match 305 then i wouldnt really be bothered anyway, i wanted a revo remap anyway sooo

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    Quote Originally Posted by auroan View Post
    Mentions nothing about a K04 turbo AT ALL
    Your right! is just says:



    "Revo Technik Far from ridiculous, the turbo is different to transverse vehicles (bigger) and the VVL adds a great amount also, we were astounded with this engine during development!"


    How would I be able to tell if i have a look? Is it printed on the side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoTTy View Post
    I read that linked page and I'm no more clear? If the Dynamik has the K04 then why was it launced with the same figures and the difference not a listed and proclaimed selling point?

    I also read a post saying the remapped 2.0T is faster than a 4.2 V8 powered S5?!?!?! I'm simply not getting this.
    To be honest, manufacturers wouldn't list turbo changes as selling points though. There was no advertisement that the mk4 Golf Anniversary had a bigger turbo than the normal GTI, the S3's had bigger turbo's than A3's, the mk ED30 has a bigger turbo, the RS4's had bigger turbos than S4's etc... This doesn't matter to the manufacturer, rather they advertise the car has simply more power.

    As for the S5 comment, it actually says V8 S4, of which I have one. And, there probably wouldn't be much in it as the S4 only has 30 or so more horses, with permanent 4wd and a heavier lump, compared to the oodles of boost from the 2.0T, it wouldn't surprise me if the 2.0T felt quicker in the real world anyway.

    As for being able to tell what turbo it is, I don't know if it would be possible to get the part number off the turbo without actually taking it off, as I have never even looked at a 2.0T engine. But that would likely be the only way to tell.
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    the 2.0 b8 is the same engine as the tts and and the s3 but tuned down abit, the b8 2.0t has a big turbo so it can stand the powers of what the s3 and the tts is curenntly running at, also it has a big intercooler which is better for remapping a the vvl engine (variable valve lift) is also highly responsive to tuning it has to be because the 2.0t b8 is the same engine as the s3 and tts and they are tuned higher so they must make the engine components bigger to stand the power so it will not get ruined, they are not just going to put in a different turbo to a s3 and tts they will all be the same

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    I think you should take the engine apart this weekend, and document all the parts .....

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    lol, i;'m thinking an email to Audi would solve a lot of this debate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audi dynamik View Post
    the 2.0 b8 is the same engine as the tts and and the s3 but tuned down abit, the b8 2.0t has a big turbo so it can stand the powers of what the s3 and the tts is curenntly running at, also it has a big intercooler which is better for remapping a the vvl engine (variable valve lift) is also highly responsive to tuning it has to be because the 2.0t b8 is the same engine as the s3 and tts and they are tuned higher so they must make the engine components bigger to stand the power so it will not get ruined, they are not just going to put in a different turbo to a s3 and tts they will all be the same
    The engine in the A4 is NOT the same as the S3 and TTS. And believe me the Turbos ARE different.
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    And to prove my point;

    APR Audi B8 A4/A5 & Q5 2.0 TFSI Valvelift S3 K04 Conversion Package

    Why would there be a conversion kit if the turbos were the same ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by auroan View Post
    The engine in the A4 is NOT the same as the S3 and TTS. And believe me the Turbos ARE different.
    Yep. For most A4 2.0T that may well be completely accurate. Do you know for sure the dynamic doesn't have a k04 or similar bigger turbo though? You can get k04 conversions for mk5 golf 2.0T's too, yet some of them come with k04's already.

    I mean, there is no mention of engine code there. And that kit looks quite complete, and could well provide an extra 20 BHP over a stage 1 k04.
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    irrelevant but if you use v power shell you can get the max performance out of your car

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    Quote Originally Posted by xs2man View Post
    As for the S5 comment, it actually says V8 S4, of which I have one. And, there probably wouldn't be much in it as the S4 only has 30 or so more horses, with permanent 4wd and a heavier lump, compared to the oodles of boost from the 2.0T, it wouldn't surprise me if the 2.0T felt quicker in the real world anyway.
    My mishtake.

    I keep forgetting that my B6 S4 was running 390+bhp and hence comparing it to my stock B8 A4 2.0TFSI seems quite laughable. Add on nearly 100bhp then maybe .... but I'm not seeing it from a remap.

    Quote Originally Posted by xs2man View Post
    Yep. For most A4 2.0T that may well be completely accurate. Do you know for sure the dynamic doesn't have a k04 or similar bigger turbo though? You can get k04 conversions for mk5 golf 2.0T's too, yet some of them come with k04's already
    Exactly what I've been trying to establish in this thread. If it's a diferent turbo then maybe. A remap on it's own then I don't see it.

    If it's a different turbo then why was it sold as a 211 car.

    Summat don't add up.
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    Well I've very very recently had my head under the bonnet of a DynamiK at my local dealership and it's defo the same engine number and turbo as the bogo A4 next to it.

    All the DynamiK is, is an SE with lowerded suspension, body kit and more toys. Even the body kit is dealerfit !
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    Has anyone dyno'd thier remapped dynamik?

    Sorry to be cynical but you need to see before and after not just accept the generic plot shown on their website.


    The dynamik is a special edition to generate profit, would they put the engine and ancillaries from an S3 in it that costs them a chunk of that profit and would add additional costs to the car for making something different and for type approval, would be nice to think they did...

    Detuning is normal to meet certain tax or insurance bands for certain markets, but they usually do it by using the same block but also use lower spec parts as they don't need to and won't give away the higher spec parts,

    But great news for dynamik owners if the have
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    isnt the dynamik just a bog a4 with a few extras?
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    i keep saying, all the 2.0 t b8 engines + turbos are all the same, but have a larger turbo to different engines in the range,
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    abit more than that, check out my garage on my profile to find out more

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    What??? Have you been drinking?

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    what dont you understand hehe ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audi dynamik View Post
    i keep saying, all the 2.0 t b8 engines + turbos are all the same, but have a larger turbo to different engines in the range,
    Eh ?
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    welcome to planet dynamik
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    Hi all.

    Bought myself a Dynamik in Ibis white last year. fantastic car and a little different. Most comments I get are ref the wheels. Personally i love them. I have been looking at a re map and have read so many different opinions. I reckon I might go with REVO. Only issues I have had are a few squeaks and rattles. Mostly fixed now but one annoying one left. Sounds like a loose fitting in the front left A pillar somewhere. Unfortunately some t***er drove into the rear left bumper and drove away. I only noticed when i returned to the car. Its left the bumper with a light ripple and 'shadowing' Grrrrrrr!!!! They joys of new car ownership!!!!! Is the REVO re map really 305bhp????? Surely this is not the Stage 1 remap? I have sent them an email just to ckeck. If it is then it will be done on my next trip home.

 

 
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