yeah thats what I keep thinking about the new S cars, they are ****** dull, S3 could have been more agressive, S4 image above looks very basic, I mean the S range are supposed to in a different league but they look like S-Lines, also I also think the B8 looks very much like the new 3 series, especially from the rear, that B8 avant looks similar to a merc towards the rear, needs a glance or 2, maybe I need bigger images & different angles to appreciate really.