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    Hate this thread because it makes me want quattro and a second set of tyres Christmas presents don't stretch far enough in my house.
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    [QUOTE=Daz Auto;2029501

    Glad other open minded people can think for themselves and see past the marketing and fanboy hype.[/QUOTE]

    What the hell does fanboy mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynallbel View Post
    What the hell does fanboy mean?
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboy

    Made me chuckle anyway :lol:

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    From the Urban Dictionary

    fanboy
    1. A person who is completely loyal to a game or company reguardless of if they suck or not.
    2. A pathetic insult often used by fanboys themselves to try and put down people who don't like whatever it is they like.
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    D'oh! Didn't refresh before posting

    The whole fanboy notion is ridiculous and stupid. I read a comment on another thread where someone who liked a particular smart phone, and wanted it, didn't get one because he feared being thought of as a fanboy.

    What?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdp1962 View Post
    D'oh! Didn't refresh before posting

    The whole fanboy notion is ridiculous and stupid. I read a comment on another thread where someone who liked a particular smart phone, and wanted it, didn't get one because he feared being thought of as a fanboy.

    What?!
    Now chuckling out loud, and im old!
    Will have to try the fanboy insult at work next week and see who bites, bet you any money you like I get a whole load of blank looks

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    Quote Originally Posted by tut_gareth View Post
    Urban Dictionary: fanboy

    Made me chuckle anyway :lol:
    Lost the plot after the first few hundred words!
    Must go got some porn to look at
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    So in summary:

    1. Quattro is far superior
    2. DazAuto has Quattro envy.

    Think that just about covers it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrix View Post
    So in summary:

    1. Quattro is far superior
    2. DazAuto has Quattro envy.

    Think that just about covers it.

    cant find a better smiley but made made me chuckle out loud!

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    I used Goodyear eagle f1's last winter and didn't slip spin or slide once a4 fwd had no problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrix View Post
    So in summary:

    1. Quattro is far superior
    2. DazAuto has Quattro envy.

    Think that just about covers it.

    Agree: Quattro has far superior traction and handling. But no better stopping power.

    How exactly do you work out from my posts that I have Quattro envy?

    I'm just researching the pros and cons.

    Pros - better traction, better handling.

    Cons - 40 litre less boot space, 7-8% heavier, same or worse braking distance.

    Does that about cover it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudiB7Jay View Post
    I used Goodyear eagle f1's last winter and didn't slip spin or slide once a4 fwd had no problems
    Those are my summer tyres. They are very good. Going to try Conti next. Looks they have better wet handling/stopping which is important to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daz Auto View Post
    Agree: Quattro has far superior traction and handling. But no better stopping power.

    How exactly do you work out from my posts that I have Quattro envy?

    I'm just researching the pros and cons.

    Pros - better traction, better handling.

    Cons - 40 litre less boot space, 7-8% heavier, same or worse braking distance.

    Does that about cover it?
    And some fell on stony ground.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrolDave View Post
    A good point - and one that many quattro drivers try to forget or ignore.

    quattro makes the most of the available grip to get, and keep, you moving but when it comes to stopping it's no better than FWD or RWD.
    Very well put. And you are a Quattro driver!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdp1962 View Post
    And some fell on stony ground.......
    Agree

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    The video is not relevant because there are 2 different cars, which behave different. This is a relevant video: Winter Tyres or 4x4: which is best? - Auto Express - YouTube worth mentioning it's not a permanent 4x4. It powers the back when the front is slipping. A permanent traction like quattro WILL behave better.
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    So we all agree that for your average driver quattro is best and it you are a spot on driver as most on here will be otherwise they wouldnt be on here or any other car forum for that matter, fwd is good enough?But in my mind why struggle or have the nagging doubt you may not get where you are going.Plus you arent going to get the tortured fwd front diff that your average driver is going to push until it stops/breaks, you all must have either seen this every time it snows or done it yourself?Little comparison, I own and drive 2 old land rovers, one is part time 4wd other full time 4wd, the part time one will often spin up a wheel coming out of a damp roundabout, the full time 4wd one never ever does this, same engines, tyres etc, same off road, in 2wd hit a hole or bump, bounce goes the wheel, engine revs rise wheel spins up, wheel hits floor and snaps half shaft, i really enjoyed that day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrix View Post
    Your point about the extra weight is moot, I don't have a half of the transmission simply piled up in the loadspace of my Avant it is evenly distributed around the car. You will also probably find that extra weight over the axles is an advantage in terms of traction.
    Moot point eh? You need to contact Audi and tell them they got it all wrong! They wasted a lot of time and effort reducing the weight of their A3 by 80kg. They say that will help improve the performance and handling of their cars. You need to contact Audi and tell them they actually need to carefully distribute 105kg to their A3. Tell them the 80kg reduction is a moot point and will have no effect on the performance and handling!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynallbel View Post
    So we all agree that for your average driver quattro is best and it you are a spot on driver as most on here will be otherwise they wouldnt be on here or any other car forum for that matter, fwd is good enough?But in my mind why struggle or have the nagging doubt you may not get where you are going.Plus you arent going to get the tortured fwd front diff that your average driver is going to push until it stops/breaks, you all must have either seen this every time it snows or done it yourself?Little comparison, I own and drive 2 old land rovers, one is part time 4wd other full time 4wd, the part time one will often spin up a wheel coming out of a damp roundabout, the full time 4wd one never ever does this, same engines, tyres etc, same off road, in 2wd hit a hole or bump, bounce goes the wheel, engine revs rise wheel spins up, wheel hits floor and snaps half shaft, i really enjoyed that day!
    Eh? Did you know that most cars in countries with weather far worse than ours are FWD? What exactly does the average driver need Quattro for?

    Have you watched any of the videos posted here?

    About 10 years ago I was driving my old Ford Puma home. The Puma weighed about 1000kg and had Continental Premium Contact 2 tyres. I was driving down a gently sloping hill with the road covered in about 2 inches of fresh powder snow. At the bottom of the hill was a gritted A road. I was going very slowly. About halfway down the hill I decided to brake. Nothing happened. The A road was about 100 meters in front of me. I tried engine braking. Nothing. Tapping the brakes. Nothing. I was going so slow that a few feet after my tyres touched the gritted A road my car stopped. Luckily it was late and there were no cars, vans or lorries on the road or I would have had a very serious accident.

    How would having a 2 ton vehicle with 4 wheel drive (disco) have helped me in the above situation? My dad tells he his disco is rubbish in snow. Because it is heavy and he buys the cheapest tyres.

    I have no nagging doubts about my cars ability in the snow. I have winter tyres. I am buying my wife a new A3. If I thought for one second that she would be any safer in a Quattro in the winter, then I would buy her one. I will be getting her 4 winter tyres so she does not get stuck on the ungritted roads round where we live.

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    Could be worse,,,, we could all own BM's! Most of ém end up a tree during the winter months! Ever wondered why you don't see non 4 x4 BMW's in Swedenshire during the Winter?....RWD feckin useless in snow, ice or heavy rain.

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    plenty of BMWs and Mercs in Stockholm during the winter... perfectly fine in the snow with winter tyres.

    :thumb:

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_cueball View Post
    plenty of BMWs and Mercs in Stockholm during the winter... perfectly fine in the snow with winter tyres.

    :thumb:
    There were so many BMWs and Mercedes in Munich last Christmas - you'd nearly think they were made in Germany. Oh wait...

    The temperature was -20C. I don't think they even bother trying to grit the roads. IIRC gritted roads freeze below -7C.

    Funny enough I didn't notice any BMW or Mercedes in Munich unable to move on the roads covered in compacted snow.

    They must just sent the BMWs and Mercedes that don't work on snow and ice over to the UK. Sneaky Germans

    Ze Germans would probably be laughing their heads off at some of the posts here, "Quattro for ze vinter... why?" , "So we can go fast on snow and ice.", "Ahhh... you British are crazy!" , "No, no, you really need 4 wheel drive for winter!", "Ze propaganda has worked. Some of ze British are completely fooled! Now v can sell zem more Quattro's."
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    We should settle this the Top Gear way...a race...on snow...with winter tyres...LOLI mean, what were Audi thinking with this commercial...should of just advertised a FWD A3 with winter tyres.http://youtu.be/IGmCKxTgSrIPoint being, as safety was mentioned quattro is most definitely safer. It's all good saying the FWD can stop alot sooner being lighter blah blah blah, but when's the last time you drove all the way to your destination in a straight line?
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    Daz - one week to think up a comeback to my quip and you let me down like that. Son, I am dissapointed.

    Top and bottom of it, Quattro's are a much nicer car to drive, but you would be crazy to buy one because you may potentially get one week of snow a year.

    You are still wrong on braking distances by the way, the only way a 4wd would take longer to stop than a comparable 2wd is if both drivers put thier foot on the clutch then brakes, your formula doesn't take into account any braking that may be done through the transmission/engine.

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    lolI think you may be right Daz.....we've all been conned by Ze Germans over here....he's says with 2 quattro's and a Jeep... you know... just in case the snow gets really bad! ahahahahahaha!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrix View Post
    Top and bottom of it, Quattro's are a much nicer car to drive, but you would be crazy to buy one because you may potentially get one week of snow a year.
    Something we agree on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrix View Post
    You are still wrong on braking distances by the way, the only way a 4wd would take longer to stop than a comparable 2wd is if both drivers put thier foot on the clutch then brakes, your formula doesn't take into account any braking that may be done through the transmission/engine.
    My car does not have a clutch pedal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_cueball View Post
    he's says with 2 quattro's and a Jeep...
    Enjoy!

    Just be careful you don't run into the back of me when trying to stop on snow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daz Auto View Post
    Very well put. And you are a Quattro driver!?
    I wish I was a Quattro driver - Quattro's are iconic and as rare as hen's teeth. But I am a quattro driver...
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    Actually, I think it's about time everyone stopped trying to force-feed their opinion onto everyone else and instead agree that everyone had given their opinions, they are not all the same, and no one is under any obligation to adopt someone else's opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdp1962 View Post
    Actually, I think it's about time everyone stopped trying to force-feed their opinion onto everyone else and instead agree that everyone had given their opinions, they are not all the same, and no one is under any obligation to adopt someone else's opinion.
    Good post.

    But this is not about opinions this is about facts.

    Quatttro is excellent. It will help me go fast in all conditions.

    But in winter, winter tyres are safer! Read the topic heading!

    I think 4 videos have been provided that demonstrate this fact!

    Where are all the videos showing how SUPERIOR Quattro is vs winter tyres in winter?
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    Quattro with winter tyres is the same as a ham and cheese sandwich; could just eat the bread on it's own, could have ham no cheese on the bread, could have cheese no ham on the bread... but combine them .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daz Auto View Post
    But in winter, winter tyres are safer! Read the topic heading!
    I have, and nowhere does it mention winter tyres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daz Auto View Post
    Good post.

    But this is not about opinions this is about facts.

    Quatttro is excellent. It will help me go fast in all conditions.

    But in winter, winter tyres are safer! Read the topic heading!

    I think 4 videos have been provided that demonstrate this fact!

    Where are all the videos showing how SUPERIOR Quattro is vs winter tyres in winter?
    No mention of tyres in the ops title!
    Look on the bright side at least its not a vauxhall
    Plus i dont think anyone apart from you has mentioned the need to go faster in the snow, Im to lazy to go back and read the whole thread again just to check
    JDP1962 makes a very good point, we all agree to differ.

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    Fitted a full set of winter tyres to the quattro last weekend.

    Vredestein Wintrac Xtreme for those who are interested (225/40/R18). Only that and the Michelin's meet the correct speed rating for my vehicle in the winter tyre range.

    Just saying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by A4_MaJiK View Post
    Fitted a full set of winter tyres to the quattro last weekend.

    Vredestein Wintrac Xtreme for those who are interested (225/40/R18). Only that and the Michelin's meet the correct speed rating for my vehicle in the winter tyre range.

    Just saying...
    Hi, Azeem

    Mind if I ask how much the set cost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdp1962 View Post
    Hi, Azeem

    Mind if I ask how much the set cost?
    £500 IIRC. Free delivery too, from Germany. My Tyres proved to be the cheapest after I had searched Camskill, Tyremen, Black Circles etc.

    tyres online @ mytyres.co.uk: tyre dealer for cheap passenger, summer, winter tyres
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